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KurtFF8
13th January 2012, 16:36
Source (http://news.yahoo.com/capitalism-trial-gop-presidential-fight-110143771--abc-news.html;_ylt=AlT1s6RhSncXY7CQQBppdFOs0NUE;_ylu=X 3oDMTNsaWFoaDZiBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBGUARwa2cDMmVhNTk wYWQtNjg1Zi0zYmYyLTgyMmEtNTNmYTMyOGZjMWZmBHBvcwMzB HNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyA2RmYTIzNDIwLTNkZTUtMTFlMS1 iN2ZmLTllODgyYzg5Y2NkZQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFvdnRqYzJoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ ylv=3)


The merits of capitalism are normally reserved for debate in classrooms, or for economists to ponder at think tanks and the Federal Reserve. But for the past week, the hallmark American system of free enterprise has been thrust into the court of public opinion by the most unlikely group - Republicans running for president and scrutinizing Mitt Romney's tenure at the private-equity firm Bain Capital.

Republicans, by their very nature, are supposed to like capitalism.

Yet these candidates - namely Newt Gingrich but also the back-runner Rick Perry - charge that on Romney's watch, Bain profited while some companies in which he invested went bankrupt and workers lost jobs. The problem with their criticism is, for the most part, that's one of the ways capitalism is designed to work.

The prosecution has lobbed plenty of insults at Romney - "crony capitalism," "backdoor socialism," "vultures" - in an effort to drag him down from his front-runner status. They portray him as a ruthless tycoon who casually dishes out pink slips before speeding away in a Maserati.

But go too far, and they run the risk of abandoning the capitalist roots that conservatives (and plenty of liberals) say make America great. That's caused the accusers to back off a bit from their charge.

"I love capitalism," Perry testified Thursday. "I mean, free-market capitalism in the state of Texas has created over a million jobs. We understand how capitalism needs to work, but this corrupt and fraudulent activity that's been going on in Washington, D.C., between them and Wall Street has to stop."

Exhibit A was a documentary, produced by a so-called super PAC that supports Gingrich, which depicts Romney as a crusher of the American dream for thousands of workers who lost their jobs under Bain's leadership.

"Now, this rattled a number of so-called conservatives, who say that to challenge where the money went and to challenge what deals were cut is to be anti-free enterprise," Gingrich argued, referring to his accusations against Bain. "I'm not going to back down or be afraid to say we, the American people, have the right to know, and any candidate for president has an obligation to tell us, and I think that these extraordinarily wealthy institutions are going to somehow bring enough pressure to bear to say, 'You better shut up,' tells you just how bad-off the system has gotten."

The defense has had help from a number of expert witnesses. Perhaps the most important one emerged Thursday, as Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue explained that in the little-understood world of private equity, risks are required.

"Anybody's look at private equity would have to say he pulled a great firm and he had a pretty good track record, and nobody in that track record has 100 percent," Donohue testified. "This economy is about risk. If you don't take risk, you can't have a success."

Romney has also benefited from the defense of his onetime rival, now in the role of character witness, John McCain, whose campaign in 2008 accused Romney of stripping away jobs at Bain-backed companies and reselling them for profit. On Thursday, McCain told Fox News that just as some of those people lost their job, so did workers at General Motors when the carmaker was bailed out - an argument that falls in line with what Romney himself has said.

"That's how capitalism works in the world," McCain told lawyer Megyn Kelly.

A host of other conservatives have taken the stand to defend Romney from Gingrich and Perry, including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Jim DeMint, Karl Rove, Mike Huckabee ("Bad companies have to die to make way for stronger companies") and Rudy Giuliani - who is decidedly not the former Massachusetts governor's No. 1 fan.

Analysts cite 1994's Kennedy v. Romney showdown as a reminder that Romney's history at Bain contributed to his downfall in his bid for a Senate seat - though skeptics argue that the late Ted Kennedy would have beaten Romney regardless of whether Bain was brought up or not.

Should Romney emerge victorious, which many observers expect, an appeal is likely, as Democrats have readied their own similar Bain charges for months. However, it's unclear whether the public would be receptive to another round of litigation.

"I am virtually certain that the people attacking Romney for this will 1) not win a lot of votes in the Republican Party, and 2) that they'll regret it personally," said expert witness Kevin Hassett, a former adviser to the campaigns of McCain and George W. Bush, who was a senior economist on the Fed's Board of Governors. "They do Romney a favor by trying it out now, because he hones his skills. … It'll become old news by the time Obama brings it up."

Observed pundit Amy Walter, ABC News's political director: "It looks as if Perry and Gingrich are flying by the seat of their pants. In fact, it looks as if they are just desperately swinging about hoping to cause Romney to stumble."

Unfortunately the side that is criticizing Romney here isn't doing a good job at really appealing to the working class in the way that conservatives have been able to in the past. They are still quite stuck in an ideological marriage to the system to such an extent that they need to paint Romney's company as an anomaly or "bad apple" which has interestingly brought this kind of debate up in the GOP of all places.


Obviously there's no wing of the GOP that is anti-capitalist by any stretch of the imagination, but it certainly does show where the conversation in the USA has moved over the past few years.

Zealot
13th January 2012, 16:55
He's mad that he made bad investments and exploiting popular anger towards Wall Street. They're just being typical bourgeois politicians. I love how they're saying "that's how capitalism is supposed to work!", exposing themselves for the scum they are.

GPDP
13th January 2012, 16:56
My dad told me Palin, while accusing Romney of destroying jobs, was also struck down by another Republican, who went on to say the purpose of capitalism isn't to create jobs, but to generate wealth, and that's how the system works.

Not sure when this happened or who said it exactly, but it's rather incredible, yet at the same time very understandable, how openly capitalist some Republicans are nowadays. They're no longer afraid of saying that kind of thing out in the open.

KurtFF8
13th January 2012, 16:59
who went on to say the purpose of capitalism isn't to create jobs, but to generate wealth, and that's how the system works.

And this is what we could essentially label an "ideological slip"

Tim Finnegan
13th January 2012, 17:05
I don't see a debate on capitalism, I see a debate on state policy. When the labour-capital relationship is at the very least acknowledged, then we might be getting somewhere, but this? This is meaningless.

Kadir Ateş
13th January 2012, 17:17
I think what Tim Finnegan wrote bears repeating: they are not discussing the "root of the problem"--that is, self-valorizing Value (as if these cretins could ever do such a thing to begin with), but discussing policy of the state and its relation to capital. None of these candidates are actually against or even horrified by the monstrous excesses of financial deregulation or the stripping away of state assets, they are more or less forced to take a position on such issues on a very superficial level because there has been social outrage generated from the current crisis. If this outrage wasn't so large and if unemployment hadn't been growing at the rate it did, chances are none of the Republicans or Democrats even would have anything to say.

GPDP
13th January 2012, 17:18
And this is what we could essentially label an "ideological slip"

Thing is, these "slips" are happening more and more frequently. Twenty, perhaps even ten years ago, saying something like this would definitely have been a slip that could garner scorn and ridicule even among conservatives. But it's now quickly becoming a publicly stated narrative, much like how criticizing capitalism directly is no longer as taboo as it used to be.

Make no mistake, this is what happens during times of crisis. Polarizing narratives will come out of the woodwork, and eschew all the nice centrist rhetoric about us all being in it together or whatever. It's why Jon Stewart's stupid rally looks ridiculous as fuck on retrospect (actually, it was ridiculous back then). Preaching moderation in a time when class warfare is openly being waged is the height of foolishness.

Comrade Hill
13th January 2012, 17:32
What is so anti-capitalist about this?

All I see are a bunch of fire-breathing bourgeois politicians criticizing each other for not being capitalist enough.

There are no contradictions between labour and capital even being mentioned. We need to stop giving press to these kinds of people.

piet11111
13th January 2012, 18:47
What is so anti-capitalist about this?

They are attacking romney for being a part of an asset stripping company they described as vulture capitalism.

That they described that as a bad thing is what they are currently under attack for as it exposes the rotten business of modern capitalism as most finance capitalists (the most powerful sector) are doing exactly this kind of vulture capitalism.

ckaihatsu
13th January 2012, 19:59
Newt Gingrich [and] Rick Perry - charge that on Romney's watch, Bain profited while some companies in which he invested went bankrupt and workers lost jobs.


Can we get them to sing 'The Internationale' now -- ???


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