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Hexen
12th January 2012, 02:16
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/12/27/collecting-rainwater-now-illegal-in-many-states-as-big-government-claims-ownership-over-our-water/


Collecting rainwater is now illegal in many states as the Government claims ownership over our water sources. Yes even rain water. ~ Health Freedoms Many of the freedoms we enjoy here in the U.S. are quickly eroding as the nation transforms from the land of the free into the land of the enslaved, but what I’m about to share with you takes the assault on our freedoms to a whole new level. You may not be aware of this, but many Western states, including Utah, Washington and Colorado, have long outlawed individuals from collecting rainwater on their own properties because, according to officials, that rain belongs to someone else.
As bizarre as it sounds, laws restricting property owners from “diverting” water that falls on their own homes and land have been on the books for quite some time in many Western states. Only recently, as droughts and renewed interest in water conservation methods have become more common, have individuals and business owners started butting heads with law enforcement over the practice of collecting rainwater for personal use.
Check out this YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jjxg8f3Gq0) of a news report out of Salt Lake City, Utah, about the issue. It’s illegal in Utah to divert rainwater without a valid water right, and Mark Miller of Mark Miller Toyota, found this out the hard way.
After constructing a large rainwater collection system at his new dealership to use for washing new cars, Miller found out that the project was actually an “unlawful diversion of rainwater.” Even though it makes logical conservation sense to collect rainwater for this type of use since rain is scarce in Utah, it’s still considered a violation of water rights which apparently belong exclusively to Utah’s various government bodies.
“Utah’s the second driest state in the nation. Our laws probably ought to catch up with that,” explained Miller in response to the state’s ridiculous rainwater collection ban.
Salt Lake City officials worked out a compromise with Miller and are now permitting him to use “their” rainwater, but the fact that individuals like Miller don’t actually own the rainwater that falls on their property is a true indicator of what little freedom we actually have here in the U.S. (Access to the rainwater that falls on your own property seems to be a basic right, wouldn’t you agree?)
Outlawing rainwater collection in other states

Utah isn’t the only state with rainwater collection bans, either. Colorado and Washington also have rainwater collection restrictions that limit the free use of rainwater, but these restrictions vary among different areas of the states and legislators have passed some laws to help ease the restrictions.
In Colorado, two new laws were recently passed that exempt certain small-scale rainwater collection systems, like the kind people might install on their homes, from collection restrictions.
Prior to the passage of these laws, Douglas County, Colorado, conducted a study on how rainwater collection affects aquifer and groundwater supplies. The study revealed that letting people collect rainwater on their properties actually reduces demand from water facilities and improves conservation.
Personally, I don’t think a study was even necessary to come to this obvious conclusion. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that using rainwater instead of tap water is a smart and useful way to conserve this valuable resource, especially in areas like the West where drought is a major concern.
Additionally, the study revealed that only about three percent of Douglas County’s precipitation ended up in the streams and rivers that are supposedly being robbed from by rainwater collectors. The other 97 percent either evaporated or seeped into the ground to be used by plants.
This hints at why bureaucrats can’t really use the argument that collecting rainwater prevents that water from getting to where it was intended to go. So little of it actually makes it to the final destination that virtually every household could collect many rain barrels worth of rainwater and it would have practically no effect on the amount that ends up in streams and rivers.

Misanthrope
12th January 2012, 02:19
When will air be privatized?

NewLeft
12th January 2012, 02:21
When will air be privatized?

No need! Just patent some chem that gets vaporized and you've got rightful ownership to everything that has it.. Including rainwater.

MarxSchmarx
12th January 2012, 04:16
When will air be privatized?

The airwaves in America are already considered government property.That is how major monopolies are able to pay off the politicia...I mean "get licenses" to broadcast their corporate propaganda.

Firebrand
13th January 2012, 00:34
This is shocking but if you step back for a moment and think about it, there's no fundamental difference between this and the private ownership of land. Ownership of natural resources is even madder than ownership of things that people have actualy made.
I agree it's only a matter of time before we pay for the air we breathe.

Ocean Seal
13th January 2012, 00:42
I wonder if the states are willing to make an exception for public urinators. If anything they are just borrowing the water from nature and then returning it.

ckaihatsu
13th January 2012, 20:04
(Access to the rainwater that falls on your own property seems to be a basic right, wouldn’t you agree?)


Oh shit -- I agree with the right-wing libertarians on this one...!


x D

the last donut of the night
13th January 2012, 20:16
the US continues to terrify me in its absurdity. here we can still pick fruit from trees on the street for free

Martin Blank
13th January 2012, 20:19
I'm not sure I agree with either side in this.

On the one hand, I do see the point about the sheer hubris involved in attempting to claim property rights over rain water and its collection. I certainly have no problem with individuals collecting rain water for their personal use.

On the other hand, if you're living in an area with drought conditions, where every drop of water needs to be conserved for drinking, firefighting and other necessary tasks, and you're hoarding water to wash the fucking cars you're trying to sell, you are a complete asshole and probably deserve everything you get -- even if the situation is fucked up and bullshit.

danyboy27
13th January 2012, 20:24
A law that cannot be enforced is meaningless.

I mean, dont they see the absurdity of the situation, you cant enforce this, its like the cellphone ban, it can be done.

ckaihatsu
13th January 2012, 20:36
[If] you're living in an area with drought conditions, where every drop of water needs to be conserved for drinking, firefighting and other necessary tasks, and you're hoarding water to wash the fucking cars you're trying to sell, you are a complete asshole and probably deserve everything you get -- even if the situation is fucked up and bullshit.


Shit, you're right -- I am undone.


>8 |


= )

MarxSchmarx
14th January 2012, 00:57
A law that cannot be enforced is meaningless.

I mean, dont they see the absurdity of the situation, you cant enforce this, its like the cellphone ban, it can be done.

Perhaps in the United States this would be impossible to enforce, but in a few tropical countries (e.g., Singapore, Cuba) you can be fined for having open water containers lying around that are mosquito breeding grounds and people do get "caught" with barrels of untreated rainwater. Although there, there is a real public health concern whereas in the case of the American south west the stakes aren't quite as high.

Shotgun Opera
23rd January 2012, 10:27
No need! Just patent some chem that gets vaporized and you've got rightful ownership to everything that has it.. Including rainwater.
The sick thing is this is already done to a certain extent.

Thank you Monsanto.

We need to take some cues from Cochabamba, they pulled the same crap there and people fucking revolted.

chegitz guevara
23rd January 2012, 16:01
Now that everyone's running around worrying about the sky falling, a careful investigation of the issue, shows that the situation is not so ludicrous as it first seems.

By and large, these laws are out west, in desert and low rain areas. I think we collectivists should be less concerned about private property owners and more about the common interest in not seeing private property owners hoarding water.

Furthermore, many of these laws are actually a result of the history of the West. During the settlement of the region (after genociding the previous inhabitants) farmers and ranchers fought over water resources, with powerful cattle interests damning up streams and other flowing water for their own purposes, "starving" out farmers and poorer ranchers downstream. The rise of movements like the Grange led to changes in water use laws, which required that flowing water be allowed to flow free, for all to use.

Water doesn't belong to those whose land it flows across.

danyboy27
23rd January 2012, 20:32
Perhaps in the United States this would be impossible to enforce, but in a few tropical countries (e.g., Singapore, Cuba) you can be fined for having open water containers lying around that are mosquito breeding grounds and people do get "caught" with barrels of untreated rainwater. Although there, there is a real public health concern whereas in the case of the American south west the stakes aren't quite as high.
If the governements from tropical countries are not even able to enforce basic traffic and car safety law, i dont see how they will be able to stop people from collecting water illegally. Of course there will peoples that will be caught here and there,

has i said, if you cant enforce a law, its useless.

FUSRODAH
24th January 2012, 16:22
How can this law be enforced? Oh ya, it cant.

MegaBrah
24th January 2012, 22:22
Isn't this what triggered some latin american uprisings, bectel forcing the government to enforce the banning of collecting rain water to make sure the corporations control on water was not undermined?