Dumb Stuff Liberals Say to Radicals

[Susurrus]

http://shitliberalssaytoradicals.tumblr.com/


Also, share similar stuff you've encountered.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm going to be a liberal business man and not exploit my workers.

[GPDP]

What we need is a middle way between socialism and capitalism that incorporates the best of both worlds.

what the fuck man

[ComradeGrant]

Ducky literally showed me this last night. It's fantastic.

[Aspiring Humanist]

"I support the troops but not the war"

[ComradeGrant]

"Those damn Republicans have been keeping Obama down, you can't blame him."

[Le Rouge]

Who do you mean by "liberals"?

[Susurrus]

Who do you mean by "liberals"?

Whatever the equivalent of American Democrats are in your country. Keynesians.

[Rafiq]

"Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, who were all anti capitalists" - Noam Chomsky

[GPDP]

"Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, who were all anti capitalists" - Noam Chomsky

I don't particularly dislike Chomsky, but there have been quite a few things I've read from him where I go "what the fuck am I reading," this being one of them. Also when he said something about modern reactionaries smearing the "good name of Conservatism."

But whatever, this thread's not about Chomsky. Here's another one:


You're so cynical.

After criticizing Obama and saying he wouldn't do shit.

[Le Rouge]

Chomsky isn't a liberal.

"Karl Marx was in fact pro-capitalism" - Someone

[NewLeft]

I don't particularly dislike Chomsky, but there have been quite a few things I've read from him where I go "what the fuck am I reading," this being one of them. Also when he said something about modern reactionaries smearing the "good name of Conservatism."

But whatever, this thread's not about Chomsky. Here's another one:



After criticizing Obama and saying he wouldn't do shit.

Wasn't Smith opposed to money being used in a market economy?

[Rafiq]

Chomsky isn't a liberal.

"Karl Marx was in fact pro-capitalism" - Someone

Marx was fascinated by capitalism and did think it was a good thing.

But he knew there was systematic contradictions, therefore supported it's destruction.

[NewLeft]

How could we forget the human nature argument!

[Ostrinski]

Looks good on paper but.....

Seriously what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

[NewLeft]

Looks good on paper but.....

Seriously what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

Communism looks good on paper, but it's against human nature. Sorry! That's just how life is, get over it.

[Ostrinski]

"If you don't vote, you can't complain."

I never understood this rationale. Shouldn't it be the other way around? If you vote, then you're a contributing factor to whatever it is you don't like.

[NewLeft]

http://greensocialdemocracy.org/ I lol'd. End poverty within capitalism!!

http://greensocialdemocracy.org/component/content/article/26-capitalism-socialism Having a public sector is socialism.

http://greensocialdemocracy.org/component/content/article/24-socialism-an-alternative

[Le Rouge]

Hohoho :D I remember one.

"If students did vote, the government wouldn't raise tuition fees. If student voted in majority for the party that won the election, the new government wouldn't raise tuition fees since the government don't want to upset them."

:laugh:

[Princess Luna]

The most facepalm worthy thing I have ever heard a Liberal say

Socialism made sense in the 19th century when working conditions were horrible, but things today are much better so there is no need for socialism anymore

[Susurrus]

From the site:

I cared about politics until I discovered yoga.

http://i.imgur.com/2b1Nj.jpg

[A Revolutionary Tool]

A liberal friend on facebook told me this after I pretty much said that both parties were crap and showed why:
"I understand what you're saying and think you're right, but I believe if you just gave the Democrats all the power they needed they would make things good again."

It made no sense because he said he thought I was right that the Democrats wouldn't make anything substantially better even if they had as much power as they needed. I facepalmed so hard.

The same guy told me "You're right capitalism doesn't work. But Jerry Brown made capitalism work back when he was governor before so you need to vote for him," after we had a discussion about how capitalism does not work. It's so enraging sometimes...

*EDIT*
Or the one I hate the most when liberals get called a socialist by some conservative or whoever and they respond with "Well I am a socialist..." *Raise my head up to see who this other socialist is* "...I believe there should be public schools and police and firemen. You're a socialist too, unless you don't believe in these things."
:cursing::cursing::cursing:

[ellipsis]

ive had democratic pamphleteers tell me that libertarian socialist is a contradiction in terms, similar item on website.

A Larouche supporter told me that we need a free market system because without material incentives there is no innovation.

[ellipsis]

But Jerry Brown made capitalism work back when he was governor before so you need to vote for him,
:cursing::cursing::cursing:

and now under his leadership, california is perfect. he's done an awesome job so far. :laugh:

[ellipsis]

"stop yelling at the cops! this is a non-violent protest!"

[NewLeft]

"stop yelling at the cops! this is a non-violent protest!"

Change comes from peaceful protesting. (lol)

[Le Rouge]

Change comes from peaceful protesting. (lol)

lol true. I kept hearing that on the Occupy Montreal facebook group.

[Welshy]

"we need to use radical respect" (this was in response to people at my college's occupation mic checking the objectivist/republican/Ron Paulites' meeting about how capitalism is the solution to poverty and oppression)

by the same person:

"Revolutions don't solve anything, they just change who is in power"

[Ocean Seal]

These are exact quotes. The names of the author have been taken away to avoid ridicule.



If you haven't joined AVAAZ.org yet, I urge you to start 2012 well and firm and join. We have force a lot of change around the globe, and we will continue fixing wrongs wherever they appear. we got Spanish royalty sent to court for corruption. We got Australia to adopt greener policies. We got Palestine into UNESCO. Join and make change. We are 10 MILLION strong and growing.


Notice, how it is just them and no one else who does these things. Its certainly not the Palestinian people who are out procuring the change.



Yeah dude. If you think governments dont hear us, youre wrong. 10,000,000 people is way more influencial than a few thousand bankers.
Bourgeois democracy works!!!!
If only we had known that all along.



We literally scare the people in power to do what we need them to do. See the new finacial tax in europe that will affect wall street, london, brussels, and berlin? Thats the peoples voices being heard. The EU airline emmision fine, which America has taken a huge hit from? Thats our petition to europe to stop slaving to oil companies and look at the environment. So you can sit on facebook and play the blame game with the right wing, or you can do something about it and get people to join AVAAZ. We are actually looking forward to making actual political parties world wide that will directly affect government decisions. But that wont happen unless more people join in and start shouting.


Where would we be without AVAAZ.org amirite.



and what about you? excuse me but what do you do? for all we know you're just here on facebook complaining. and you can't really just say that we didn't help Palestinians get into UNESCO, because they go into UNESCO. And I've sent Emails to minister staffs in London and Berlin, because it's more than clicking a goddamn button. it's about getting the voices and petitions from everyone worldwide to one place. I'm sure that if you check Euronews.net and look for the Palestinian bid, you'll see that they talk about us being a source of pressure for European politicians to support the Palestinian state.


So because the Palestinians got into UNESCO it was you.
So I'm going to mediate on ending capitalism and if capitalism ends I just want you guys to know that it was because of me ok.


and if you didn't read the last part of the fourth comment here, we are planning to actually get off the limits of the website and become political parties world wide, who have the position to make more direct action.

Ooh political parties composed of people who really just like to click petitions. I'm sure a lot will get done.

[GPDP]

what the fuck is avaaz and why have i not heard of them

[Tim Cornelis]

"We just need to create equal opportunity for people to become rich"

The equality of opportunity to become exploiters and oppressors is a central tenet of [social] liberalism. And that's a fact.

[NewLeft]

I'm socially radical liberal, but economically conservative.

[Ocean Seal]

what the fuck is avaaz and why have i not heard of them
Didn't you hear. They influence governments all over the world. And they got Palestine into unesco.



Avaaz—meaning "voice" in several European, Middle Eastern and Asian languages—launched in 2007 with a simple democratic mission: organize citizens of all nations to close the gap between the world we have and the world most people everywhere want.

Avaaz empowers millions of people from all walks of life to take action on pressing global, regional and national issues, from corruption and poverty to conflict and climate change. Our model of internet organising allows thousands of individual efforts, however small, to be rapidly combined into a powerful collective force. (Read about results on the Highlights page.)

The Avaaz community campaigns in 15 languages, served by a core team on 6 continents and thousands of volunteers. We take action -- signing petitions, funding media campaigns and direct actions, emailing, calling and lobbying governments, and organizing "offline" protests and events -- to ensure that the views and values of the world's people inform the decisions that affect us all.

They also support theocracy in Tibet.
Basically its people like this guy.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35mv4h/

[Rooster]

"Comrades! We can make socialism in one country!"

[ВАЛТЕР]

Today I learned about the two types of capitalism...:laugh:



There really are two types of capitalism:

#1 - You have people who work hard...innovate and build products or companies that provide services that people love and need. This type of person is a valuable member of society and deserves all their just rewards. People like Steve Jobs, Sergei Brin, Larry Page, and countless others come to mind.

#2 - You have people who inherited great wealth of privilege and use that wealth to buy companies, break them into pieces and plunder them leaving them with buckets of cash and everyone else in the soup line.

We have a lot more like #2 than we used to. And its not only bad for the country...if it continues - Capitalism won't continue. But there is no avoiding us having a great debate about what type of capitalism we want in America.

[Yugo45]

Looks good on paper but.....

Seriously what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?

That Marx and Engels had a neat handwriting

[GallowsBird]

The fact that out of 29,000 members there are only 1,800 shows this.

COMMUNISM CAN KISS MY DEMOCRATIC AND FREE ASS!

:p

[Ocean Seal]

That Marx and Engels had a neat handwriting

Actually I heard that Marx had shit handwriting, so we're probably not even good on paper.

[GPDP]

Today I learned about the two types of capitalism...:laugh:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8548/1304239652023.png

I'm this close to getting an aneurism.

[ColonelCossack]

Chomsky isn't a liberal.

"Karl Marx was in fact pro-capitalism" - Someone


"I support the troops but not the war"


Hohoho :D I remember one.

"If students did vote, the government wouldn't raise tuition fees. If student voted in majority for the party that won the election, the new government wouldn't raise tuition fees since the government don't want to upset them."

:laugh:


"stop yelling at the cops! this is a non-violent protest!"


Today I learned about the two types of capitalism...:laugh:
There really are two types of capitalism:


#1 - You have people who work hard...innovate and build products or companies that provide services that people love and need. This type of person is a valuable member of society and deserves all their just rewards. People like Steve Jobs, Sergei Brin, Larry Page, and countless others come to mind.

#2 - You have people who inherited great wealth of privilege and use that wealth to buy companies, break them into pieces and plunder them leaving them with buckets of cash and everyone else in the soup line.

We have a lot more like #2 than we used to. And its not only bad for the country...if it continues - Capitalism won't continue. But there is no avoiding us having a great debate about what type of capitalism we want in America.


These are the most da Fok worthy.

[Renegade Saint]

"Police are part of the working class too!"

[bcbm]

'i'm an anarchist'

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Communism is a dictatorship that killed 100 million people!"

[NewLeft]

I supported socialism until communism died in the 90s.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Communists are basically conservatives looking towards the future. Wtf?

[hatzel]

I heard liberals say stuff like...


Chomsky isn't a liberal.

Herp-a-derp worldwide!!!

On a related note this (http://www.revleft.com/vb/search.php?do=finduser&u=29065).

EDIT: no offence to anybody, of course...

[Nox]

One thing that fucking pisses me off is when I see those fucking stupid Social Democrat liberal bullshit leaflets that have Marx's picture on.

I know it's not a quote but it's annoying

[RedAtheist]

"Communism is a dictatorship that killed 100 million people!"

'Communism is a dictatorship, its run by dictatorships and yeah, I think its a problem'

I asked a bunch of people what they thought the word 'communism' meant and that's one of the answers I got. I have been giggling about it ever since.

Other annoying things non-revolutionary 'socialists' (social democrats) say:

'Marx said towards the end of his life that it was possible to create communism with a revolution.'

First of, give me a quote. Second of all, if he did say that he probably meant that it would not take another revolution to get from socialism to communism, once capitalism had been overthrown by a revolution. For him to say that revolution was not required to do away with capitalism he would have to chuck out, not just the idea of revolution, but all the ideas that led him to that conclusion (class struggle, his understanding of history, etc.) They would have to claim that he abandoned his entire ideology, which I find unlikely. Lastly, even if he did, I don't care, it's an argument from authority anyway. I could just say 'Marx was right the first time'.

'Marx was an idealistic, head-in-the-clouds hippy.'

Please, do your research and learn why Marx is famous, before you go around saying ignorant nonsense. Though this is probably something that really pro-capitalist people say, I've heard social democrats say similar things and it gets on my nerves.

'I am for compassionate capitalism'

What does that mean? Can you tell me what the principles and policies of 'compassionate capitalism' are? Didn't think so.

'Power corrupts.'

Which is exactly why anyone in a position of power over the economy should be held accountable to the people by some kind of democratic mechanism. Ever noticed how in fiction this principle applies only to communists (or people identifying as communists) rather than monarchs?

Then of course there are the endless misinterpretations of Animal Farm, many of which are metaphorical versions of the principles of the ideas I just listed.

I'm sure that's not every statement by social democrats that annoys me, but those are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

[Ocean Seal]

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I think that when you go that far left you are really right wing. Its a circle.
-Bill Maher on the Bolsheviks "hijacking" the Russian revolution.

[Omsk]

Oh you forgot the famous: "Communism "failed" in the past so yeah dont ever try something like that heck no,once tried,the story is over yeah see you!"

[danyboy27]

Liberal tend to feel they can be the referee beccause they consider themselves ''in the middle'' and one of the dumbest quote i heard from a liberal was something like:''well, you got the fascist from one side, and the communist from the other. Since a balenced governement is the best thing in the world, we are the most able to deliver a strong, stable governement.''

It really make me pissed to hear that beccause they are in fact, not in the middle, they just like to pretend they do.

[Agent Ducky]

Ii4AThJVMdA
I think that when you go that far left you are really right wing. Its a circle.
-Bill Maher on the Bolsheviks "hijacking" the Russian revolution.

I hate it when people cite the circular political spectrum. Yeah, because me being like a fascist totally makes sense.

[Metacomet]

Oh man, this is great, It's comforting to know other people who have basically heard the same thing as me word for word.

[Susurrus]

Ii4AThJVMdA


Oh god the comments.


State Capitalism is communism. The reason they killed the other leftist factions was because of the power struggle that is intrinsic to leftist-socialist revolutions. Every single time there is a socialist revolution, the cycle repeats itself, and leftists not only persecute rightists, but also other leftists who vie for power.


Dude, you seriously have no clue what you're speaking of. All I see in your posts is a bunch of hyperbole, and broad generalizations. You don't even understand how the Bolsheviks were leftists! They were the rebellious intellectuals (the Bill Mahers, Michael Moores, Bill Ayers, Noam Comskys, Saul Alinskys, etc.) of their day! Like it or not, the American left is also composed of the rebellious (like the Bolsheviks), and shares ideological ideas with the Bolsheviks! Don't you get it!?



Remember a couple of things,Lenin was incapacitated by stroke in 1922 and was already dead by 1924 and there was no middle class at this time, so a working class had to be built!

[Rafiq]

"communism failed because Marxism Leninism. History prpves a workers state is a failure, and that authoritarianism cannot work" - a lot of revleft.

Because, of course, Russia's material conditions made it so easy to build your authentic socialism, ya know, with 17 countries attacking and semi feudalism. And all ML states (cuz marxism leninism precedes material conditions and mocements duh) failed, even though they virtually all shared Russia's conditions in 1914, and were not industrialized.

[Rafiq]

Also the bullshit "balanced" politics, mentioned by danyboy, can be countered with:

In nazi germany, would you have also been balanced within the context of their political system? You would be pretty extremist to call for the end of the holocaust, so would you try to find middle ground, and watch millions die because you want to be balanced? Get the fuck out of here, Liberal Asscrack.

EDIT: When I said get the fuck out of here, I was not directing that at Danyboy, but the Liberals who try to be balanced.

[Roach]

Discrediting revolutionaries on the basis of youthful inexperience, lacking maturity or experience and that ''you will get over it once you get older''.

[Ostrinski]

Discrediting revolutionaries on the basis of youthful inexperience, lacking maturity or experience and that ''you will get over it once you get older''.I get this all the time and used to get mad at it. But think of it as a compliment comrade, it's their last line of argument and is essentially a cop-out.

[Rafiq]

A last resort, when arguing with someone older, they tend to use the whole "Me big you small" line. This should not be taken with offense, as Brospierre said, for this actually dignifies the fact that they cannot counter what you are saying, whether that be because they are inexperienced debaters, or if they are just stupid all together.

[ВАЛТЕР]

My head hurts currently from arguing with two libertarianasshatdouchenozzles...and they used so many phrases from this site it is mind boggling, particularly this one:
The problem is cronyism and corporatism, not capitalism

Also, they kept blaming the fed, and tried to argue that a monopoly is impossible unless there is a government. I wanted to shoot myself in the face...I'm psychologically exhausted...Time to hit up shit-chat...

[Rafiq]

My head hurts currently from arguing with two libertarianasshatdouchenozzles...and they used so many phrases from this site it is mind boggling, particularly this one:

Also, they kept blaming the fed, and tried to argue that a monopoly is impossible unless there is a government. I wanted to shoot myself in the face...I'm psychologically exhausted...Time to hit up shit-chat...

Libertarians, like the many Utopian Socialists we have on Rev-Left, live in a fantasy land, in which all of human history adjusts itself to their ideological liking, where, even if the evidence is right before them (That the existence of monopolies is inevitable in capitalism, regardless of government) they will argue other wise, deny the evidence, and twist reality in order for their structural theoretical basis (if any) to remain in tact.

They (libertarians) simply will argue, if and only there is a presupposition that their faux economics (Of Mises, Hayek, Friedman) are correct.

[NewLeft]

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brb getting back to the struggling masses

This song legit sucks though, who the fuck sings about capitalism.

3YN4u0on57o This is more like it.

[danyboy27]

Also the bullshit "balanced" politics, mentioned by danyboy, can be countered with:

In nazi germany, would you have also been balanced within the context of their political system? You would be pretty extremist to call for the end of the holocaust, so would you try to find middle ground, and watch millions die because you want to be balanced? Get the fuck out of here, Liberal Asscrack.

EDIT: When I said get the fuck out of here, I was not directing that at Danyboy, but the Liberals who try to be balanced.

Its also worth of mention that there cant be no middle ground concerning exploitation, its pretty much like having a middle ground concerning rape, that just not logic.

[pluckedflowers]

I used to be a leftist like you, but then I took an arrow in the knee.

[00000000000]

'Can't we all just get along?'

'There's no right or wrong, it's all about the context'

'I'm not a racist, but you have to admit that...'

'There's nothing wrong with being rich so long as you made your money honestly'

'I'm not a homophobe; whatever anyone wants to do behind closed doors in their own home is their own business'

Etc etc etc

[Agent Ducky]

I used to be a leftist like you, but then I took an arrow in the knee.
I normally hate arrow to the knee jokes, but I must commend you for this, sir.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

"I think we need a more modern socialism, a socialism for the 21st century that isn't so radical".
:confused:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

brb getting back to the struggling masses

This song legit sucks though, who the fuck sings about capitalism..

There's also that awful song "Perfect System", also by those arsewipes, which I presume is trying to characterise the Soviet Union as some kind of 1984-thing. Fuck Elfman. I think some shitty conservative rag said it was the best album of the century. :laugh:

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"I think we need a more modern socialism, a socialism for the 21st century that isn't so radical".
:confused:

I have heard this before too and it never ceases to amaze me.

On a related note when I was at occupy there was this guy that said he was in favor of "regulated socialism" or controlled socialism.... uh,what?! :rolleyes:

[GPDP]

I don't see what workers owning anything has to do with socialism.

From an art teacher some Leninist posted about on a thread on 4chan.

[NewLeft]

Who's this Marx that you're reading?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Who's this Marx that you're reading?

...as well as Lenin,Trotsky and many of the other great leftists.It can be breath taking how many people never have heard of some of the most influential people in history.

[The Young Pioneer]

A Libertarian friend of mine likes to give batshit advice/opinions. Here are a couple gems (in italics)...

- "If Obama does not show 100% proof he's legal to be here, he can't run."

People are really still debating this in 2012?

- "Don't EVER sit there and whine that the President is awful when you HAD your chance to be a Paul supporter!"

Shame on me.

- "ALL OPINIONS ARE CORRECT!!!!!"

Then wai should I vote for your candidate?

- "Ron Paul has started the 2ND American Revolution."

...The dude is as anti-war as they come?

- "The USA is slowly but surely turning into the USSA- We're becoming how the USSR used to be IE: we're gonna suck. Americans secretly crave the United Soviet States of Amerika."

Better go get the Russian grammar book out of the family bunker!

- " I'd like to officially pre-welcome you to "The United Fascist States Of Amerika"."

Oh, das vidanya CCCP, guten tag Drittes Reich!


:scared: Like, holy crapz, you guyths!

[ВАЛТЕР]

You want to see liberal horseshit?

Check this page out. It makes you want to pull your hair out...

"I acknowledge class warfare exists" then goes about posting Obama inspirational messages and shit. It is the very definition of liberal horseshit.


http://www.facebook.com/classwarfareexists

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

You want to see liberal horseshit?

Check this page out. It makes you want to pull your hair out...

"I acknowledge class warfare exists" then goes about posting Obama inspirational messages and shit. It is the very definition of liberal horseshit.


http://www.facebook.com/classwarfareexists

:laugh:


Political organisation · Beverly Hills, California (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Beverly-Hills-California/112456468765632)

Kind of makes sense, I guess...

[Fawkes]

Police, Come Join Us, They Want Your Pensions Too!

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Police are part of the 99% too!"

"Socialism won't work because no one would be required to work and nothing would get done"

"Capitalism is responsible for all the advancements of the world!"

[NewLeft]

I like socialism and capitalism, so lets make a social capitalism.

[Fawkes]

"See, you're being a dictator right now"


said during a debate when I interrupted someone

[NewLeft]

"See, you're being a dictator right now"


said during a debate when I interrupted someone

"I think that book shouldn't be read."

"OH so now you wanna ban books too, stalin.."

[Agent Ducky]

Today one of my teachers said that since I'm wearing a hammer and sickle and since I'm a self-proclaimed communist, I automatically support Stalin. Not sure if he's a liberal though. >__<

[tbasherizer]

"Communism was good in theory, but since absolute power corrupts absolutely, it will never work in practice. People can't really all be equal." I should avoid conversations with these types of people- it would be terrible to get a stroke at my tender young age.

[GPDP]

"Communism was good in theory, but since absolute power corrupts absolutely, it will never work in practice. People can't really all be equal." I should avoid conversations with these types of people- it would be terrible to get a stroke at my tender young age.

Holy christ, that was like three cliches rolled up into one. And they don't even mesh together well. First he mentions absolute power, but then goes on about equality. The two are mutually opposed. So which is it?

[Oswy]

This is typical at the student forum I visit:



So, somebody who works 70 hours a week, who's dedicated themselves to their career, doesn't deserve to be much richer than someone who refuses to work, or who is unambitious and only does the bare minimum? People deserve equality of opportunity, not equality. People are not born equal. Some people are intelligent, some are stupid. Some people are beautiful, some are ugly. Some are tall, some are small. It's the way the world works. What incentive is there to study and put effort in, if not for financial reward? It's how a successful economy operates.

Depressing.

[tbasherizer]

Holy christ, that was like three cliches rolled up into one. And they don't even mesh together well. First he mentions absolute power, but then goes on about equality. The two are mutually opposed. So which is it?

Well there you go. It just shows the kind of cognitive dissonance I have to go up against.

[Oswy]

My head hurts currently from arguing with two libertarianasshatdouchenozzles...

I've encountered that a lot. Libertarians seem to have this idea that there's 'good' capitalism (they call this 'free markets') and 'bad' capitalism (they call this 'cronyism' and 'corporatism') but they can't quite figure out why it is that cronyism and corporatism always come to dominate. In their desperation they'll even go so far as to accuse people like Reagan and W. Bush, indeed pretty much any non-libertarian, of being 'socialists' :lol:

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Welfare states are socialist!"

"Cuba used to be communist but now they are only socialist"

"The free market will fix everything, you just gotta believe!" (Okay,this one I didn't actual hear word for word but seriously, it is essentially the crux of their bullshit.lol)

[Jimmie Higgins]

"stop yelling at the cops! this is a non-violent protest!"To be fair, the people doing the yelling were X-men with sonic-boom voice powers. When is yelling even violent?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

To be fair, the people doing the yelling were X-men with sonic-boom voice powers. When is yelling even violent?
You mean they were Dragon-Born...

[ed miliband]

Lecturer today:

"the 20th century saw a rise in the perversions of knowledge - fascism and Marxism"

"states allow the granting of rights to citizens, but they also allow the denial of rights - in the communist bloc rights were denied on the basis of class..."

[Jimmie Higgins]

"you can be so far left that you're actually right-wing"

[NewLeft]

Prosperous Europe = Europe is capitalist
Crisis Europe = Europe is socialist!!

[Agent Ducky]

"I don't want you to waste your talent on a revolution that will never happen. You need to get inside the system and change it from there."
- My Mom, during a frustrating argument with ComradeGrant and me over Skype.

[ComradeGrant]

"You're basically the same as the Oklahoma city bomber with your advocacy of violence." -Ducky's mom in the same argument.

[Agent Ducky]

"You're basically the same as the Oklahoma city bomber with your advocacy of violence." -Ducky's mom in the same argument.

Yeah, she kept asking us about the Oklahoma city bomber and shit. "How is this relevant to our ideology again?"

She also kept calling us "radical fringe" that will never be able to change anything because our ideas were so damn extreme. She kept misusing the word "radical" too.

[Blackburn]

Discrediting revolutionaries on the basis of youthful inexperience, lacking maturity or experience and that ''you will get over it once you get older''.

The youth just have more energy and are usually closer to their own truths.

Older people, especially those a bit beaten up by life like myself envy what they lost in their youth.

I can say that I do envy the youth. The idealism, the passion, the energy.

So I try to encourage, instead of being mean to the young.

[Blackburn]

Probably the most horrific thing I've been hearing form Liberals these days:

"Ron Paul has my vote"

Da Fok? Seriously???

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Yeah, she kept asking us about the Oklahoma city bomber and shit. "How is this relevant to our ideology again?"

She also kept calling us "radical fringe" that will never be able to change anything because our ideas were so damn extreme. She kept misusing the word "radical" too.

How was she misusing the term radical?

[Tim Cornelis]

Yeah, she kept asking us about the Oklahoma city bomber and shit. "How is this relevant to our ideology again?"

She also kept calling us "radical fringe" that will never be able to change anything because our ideas were so damn extreme. She kept misusing the word "radical" too.

Liberals who say that your ideas are too radical to ever become popular are... ill informed.

A synonym for liberalism is Radicalism, after all.

"As historical Radicalism became absorbed in the development of political liberalism, in the later 19th century in both the United Kingdom and continental Europe the term Radical came to denote a progressive liberal ideology." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalism_(historical))

Also when they say that anarchism will never achieve anything tell them how they like their 8 hour work day.

[ColonelCossack]

Da Fok? Seriously???

I know right

[khlib]

"i say replace everything people need to live under a capitalist system with a non capitalist alternative so people can drop out of the capitalist system. If every family had their own greenhouse, they wouldn't ever really need to buy food again."

[Franz Fanonipants]

go to any stalin/wwii/spanish civil war thread on revleft

[NewLeft]

"in free market capitalism, you can have your socialist society too"

[ColonelCossack]

go to any stalin/wwii/spanish civil war thread on revleft

This made me chuckle.

[Agent Ducky]

How was she misusing the term radical?

She kept using it as synonymous to "extremist."

I also used the 8 hour work day and all that stuff Goti123 mentioned, but that's the thing. She pretends to listen but she really isn't listening... because Comrade Grant and I are teenagers and obviously we have less life experience so we're just young and going through a phase... She compared anarchism to a cult. :blink:

[The Young Pioneer]

Today one of my teachers said that since I'm wearing a hammer and sickle and since I'm a self-proclaimed communist, I automatically support Stalin. Not sure if he's a liberal though. >__<

Haha, for Halloween I dressed up as a Soviet pioneer and now I get the same crap from one of my professors. Actually, he asked if I was a communist, and when I said, "No comment." He said, "And that's your right as a free American- TO PLEAD THE FIFTH!"

:rolleyes:

[khlib]

Haha I was also a young pioneer for Halloween!

[Renegade Saint]

"I never support bullets." (in response to me posting "The Ballot or the Bullet" by Malcolm X)

"I follow Gandhi and try to emulate him in my life."
^^^^Later on in that same conversation.

Oh, this isn't really a quote as it is a summation of that conversation: I'm a pacifist and I support Barack Obama.

[The Stalinator]

I admit, sometimes I "share" the better quotes or political cartoons from that page. 95% of it's horseshit though.

[Agent Ducky]

On the topic of Gandhi... My mom on violence
"WHAT ABOUT GANDHI AND MLK JR.?"

.... Oh, mom...

[Renegade Saint]

The best is when they bring up Mandela as an example of non-violence. Funny how Umkhonto we Sizwe has been brushed from Western liberals collective memory.

[Prometeo liberado]

In the Soviet Union they didn't have cell phones.
What?
:confused:
communism is hitlerism, jeez!
What the fuck!

[Omsk]

-"I am an very open person,i read all books,and i dont care who published or wrote them."

Later that day...

-"Oh i see you got that book,perfect,let me see... - - - .. "WHAT IS THIS COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA!?!?!"

-"Hitler was a socialist and communist".

[ColonelCossack]

In the Soviet Union they didn't have cell phones.


Did they really say this? da Fok indeed...

[Prometeo liberado]

Did they really say this? da Fok indeed...
Yup.:(

[Polyphonic Foxes]

"We just little a little socialism to keep people afloat"

[Metacomet]

Today with my parents------

The "middle class" has it harder then the poor because the poor have programs to support them.

[Luc]

Today with my parents------

The "middle class" has it harder then the poor because the poor have programs to support them.

Oh God that's as stupid as Mitt Romney's statement with the same sentiment.

[Metacomet]

Oh God that's as stupid as Mitt Romney's statement with the same sentiment.

That's what we were talking about.

I'm thinking this is a house that's gonna be giving old Mitt two votes. :rolleyes:

I gave it up though. Didn't push the issue. Maybe bring up somewhere like Mexico or South Africa or something.

[ComradeGrant]

"The USSR would have been entirely different if only Trotsky had come to power."

[Prometeo liberado]

Ok I was gonna start a new thread for this one but I'll lay it out here instead.
Dumb thing a leftist said to a radical:

Her:"I'm almost done with this capitalist thing"

Me:You sure? Done? No more? I HOPE SO YOUR AT A FRICKEN MARXIST MEETING!!!!!!(Charlie Brown scream)AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!

[Lobotomy]

The best way to end corporate dominance is through boycotting.

Sent from my iPhone

[Fawkes]

This isn't something explicitly said to radicals, but I can't fucking stand hearing people say:

"Small businesses are what make this country great"

or

"Small business owners are the ones that make this country run"





Workers are the ones that make this (and every other) country run. We built everything. I've worked almost exclusively for "small businesses", and with the exception of one carpenter I worked for in high school for whom I was the sole employee, the owners didn't do shit, and whatever productive capacities they did fulfill were far surpassed by ours. In the case of the restaurant I work at now, we (not just myself, but all workers) are the ones that cook, serve, cultivate, distribute, build, design, and maintain everything, the owners don't do shit compared to us.

[Ocean Seal]

"You're basically the same as the Oklahoma city bomber with your advocacy of violence." -Ducky's mom in the same argument.
Ironically, if you abandon the ideas of violence against the state then you support the state, which is in itself a violent entity. And if you support systematic violence, then from what moral high ground do you get to mock those who support violence against the state.

Yeah liberals.
"You support dictatorship, therefore you support Hitler"

"Hitler and Stalin were allies to destroy democracy"

My personal favorite of the three.

"Seriously man, you have it pretty well. Why are you complaining about capitalism? I mean you need to get out more and see how life is for other people. I mean there are people starving, and yet you complain about capitalism"

I mean that certainly shows how great capitalism is and why I have no right to critique it.

[Grenzer]

"How can you be for revolution? That goes against the concept of Rule of Law."

-My cousin

"Capitalism worked great until about ten years ago, but now we need something better."

-also my cousin

[NoMasters]

"Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, who were all anti capitalists" - Noam Chomsky

Dude you got it figured out! Chomsky is such a dumb liberal.

You are a little ant compared to the intellectual power of Noam Chomsky. You seem so offended by the realistic radicals because they actually provide answers and solutions. Where as "radicals" like you just critique those who are involved with the governments and societies in any possible way.

Sad...

[Yuppie Grinder]

I'm reading Marx in the school library and a friend walks up to me and tells me she's read him and understands all that jazz.
The next day the subject of politics comes up and the following pieces of shit fell out of her mouth:
"Direct democracy is mob rule!"
"What does liberalism have to do with capitalism?"
"But you're a democrat. What?"
"Anarchism is mob rule!"
"But you're a liberal, aren't you?" "But socialists ARE liberal!"
"The democratic party is like where everything is organized and people cooperate."
"Revolution sounds like mob rule."

[NoMasters]

"Stalin and Mao were true communists!"

[Yuppie Grinder]

M-Ls ain't liberals, just got a bit of false-consciousness going on.

[Yuppie Grinder]

"Seriously man, you have it pretty well. Why are you complaining about capitalism? I mean you need to get out more and see how life is for other people. I mean there are people starving, and yet you complain about capitalism"

I mean that certainly shows how great capitalism is and why I have no right to critique it.
Ha, people starve under capitalism, so you have no right to complain about it. Makes sound sense.

[runequester]

The best way to end corporate dominance is through boycotting.

Sent from my iPhone

I had to read it twice, then I laughed

[Agent Ducky]

"Who do anarchists even vote for?" - My Dad
Also, when I was talking to my parents about how I don't appreciate it when liberals on TV like Bill Maher portray the whole movement as kids who throw shit at windows,
"Don't be mad at Bill Maher, be mad at the kids who throw stuff!"

[praxis1966]

It's not really something they say, more of a general outlook, but liberal support of small businesses is really annoying... Y'know, because exploitation is cool as long as you're doing it to fewer than 10 people at a time.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

"Only white people can be racist. Nobody else has the capability of being racist."

:blink:

[synthesis]

"We need to bring businesses with good-paying jobs [to Shreveport, LA]"

- as close to a direct quote as possible

[Ocean Seal]

Dude you got it figured out! Chomsky is such a dumb liberal.

You are a little ant compared to the intellectual power of Noam Chomsky. You seem so offended by the realistic radicals because they actually provide answers and solutions. Where as "radicals" like you just critique those who are involved with the governments and societies in any possible way.

Sad...




"Stalin and Mao were true communists!"



Things a liberal would say:


You are a little ant compared to the intellectual power of Noam Chomsky
Insert Oprah, Obama, Clinton, Bill Maher where you put Chomsky or just keep Chomsky



You seem so offended by the realistic liberals because they actually provide answers and solutions. Where as "radicals" like you just critique those who are involved with the governments and societies in any possible way.

Yep because we need to collaborate with the bourgeoisie instead of going against the flow, because going against the flow only results in disaster.


True communism
This one is so rife with idealism that it actually bothers me. I really hate it when people think that Marx described a little hippy utopia and then Lenin came along and corrupted it by bringing about "teh dictatorship of the evilzzzz"

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"You can't always be anti-war!"

:rolleyes:

[NewLeft]

"Only white people can be racist. Nobody else has the capability of being racist."

:blink:

That's not what liberals say, that's what the critical race theorist people say. (They call themselves radical)

[PC LOAD LETTER]

That's not what liberals say, that's what the critical race theorist people say. (They call themselves radical)
This came out of a Liberal's mouth. As in a card-carrying, Obama-thumping Liberal's mouth.

[NewLeft]

This came out of a Liberal's mouth. As in a card-carrying, Obama-thumping Liberal's mouth.

Radical liberal! Must be a revolutionary liberal.

[Caj]

I'm an anarcho-liberal! :rolleyes:

[Raúl Duke]

My head hurts currently from arguing with two libertarianasshatdouchenozzles...and they used so many phrases from this site it is mind boggling, particularly this one:

corporatism, cronyism

Also, they kept blaming the fed, and tried to argue that a monopoly is impossible unless there is a government. I wanted to shoot myself in the face...I'm psychologically exhausted...Time to hit up shit-chat...

Dude, those asshats are fucking annoying; they're quite a few of them in my local Occupy. They just rely on obscurantism:
What they're saying in the simplest terms is that it's some "corruption" that is ruining capitalism and "turning it into corporatism, cronyism" (i.e. something else) so what we need is a "return to capitalism" of sorts; whether one with social democracy (i.e. with a welfare system, etc) or not (i.e. free-markets all over). They don't want to face the music and realize that it's straight-up capitalism at fault for our current economic/political problems so they create a new term to detach capitalism from conception of the status-quo.

All you need to do is point out that this corruption they either explicitly speak of or impliticly allude to didn't "come from the sky" or actions from a minority but rather systematic of capitalism and its ultimate logic: profiteering; therefore "more capitalism" or "reforms" or whatever are only temporary half-measures of a chronic systematic problem.

[Agent Ducky]

"I really don't see how anarchy would work. People need some sort of order." :rolleyes:

[GoddessCleoLover]

Aren't you a punkass anarchist?

[ellipsis]

"we need to come up with better slogans that fit on placards, so we can reach people. oh and use facebook and twitter.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Liberals on antifascism:

"If you use violence against nazis, you become as bad as them."


Worst shit ever!!! IMO

[eric922]

Radical liberal! Must be a revolutionary liberal.
I wish him the best of luck in overthrowing Feudalism.

[NewLeft]

This was already posted, probably, but here it is again:

"There's no difference between communists and nazis."

[Le Rouge]

This was already posted, probably, but here it is again:

"There's no difference between communists and nazis."

Suuuuuuuure!

"Communism is good on paper, but it won't work in practice."
http://27.media.tumblr.com/avatar_a40559562908_128.png

[Ostrinski]

Whenever someone refers to themselves or someone else as a 'radical liberal,' I follow up with "So you're/they're a Misean, then?"

And by the time they snap out of this face:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtW9_CyTwZuiYKdP-798OFd54SNeFrG_4OQO7K2wPs72vWbgRfJA

I'm gone.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

"Nazi Germany had a big government that controlled its people. Don't you support big governments that do that?" --My dad while we were watching Schindler's List

[GPDP]

Fresh off my Facebook wall!

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3889/ffffffffffi.jpg

He considers himself a socialist (read: a social-democrat), but he's always posting pro-Democrat stuff, and every single time I call him out on it and point out why the Dems are not worth supporting, he chickens out of arguing his position and agrees with me, only to do it again later, and so on. This time I guess he got fed up and hit me with this.

You have no idea the self-restraint I showed here. I was this close to telling him to fuck off and go suck off the Democrats some more.

[X5N]

What I find especially irritating is when liberals argue that everything from conscription to suppression of peaceful secession movements is a-okay "because democracy."

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"I'm a socialist!" ...after defending imperialist wars, and capitalism. As GPDP said, social-democrats are annoying as fuck.

"The police had to clear out occupy because people were stealing and doing drugs!"

[CountryKid]

"Since your a Communist, you believe we should all wear the same clothing! I like my clothing!"


Yes, Red Mario style suspenders for all.

[Conscript]

'We need a movement for the PEOPLE, not IDEOLOGIES' :laugh:

[NewLeft]

Socialism only works until you run out of rich people's money..

[Nox]

"hurrdurr doctor makes the same as a janitor therefore (insert reason why communism would fail)"

[roy]

This was already posted, probably, but here it is again:

"There's no difference between communists and nazis."

QFT. My history teacher tried to explain how fascism and communism are almost identical.

[Agent Ducky]

"Why can't you be more like Senator Bernie Sanders? He's a socialist."
- My Mom, again.

[ВАЛТЕР]

In communism it isn't your underwear it is our underwear.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

In communism it isn't your underwear it is our underwear.
Hey valter

Your turn's up. Better not have left another goddamn skid mark.

[ComradeGrant]

"Communism is like prohibition, it's a good idea but it doesn't work."
How the hell was prohibition a good idea?

[Susurrus]

Liking a facebook status about an African warlord will cause the US to invade and magically end all Africa's problem.

[NewLeft]

Liking a facebook status about an African warlord will cause the US to invade and magically end all Africa's problem.
Colonialism is our only solution.. :rolleyes:

[ellipsis]

im gonna sticky this

[ellipsis]

"you can't smoke that pot here!"

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

"I think that Martin Luther King, Aung San Suu Kyi, and Gandhi were the best revolutionaries ever." Once sentence is done, palm is already on face.

[Ele'ill]

"Respect our process"

[ellipsis]

from twitter:

if your "really amazing idea" isn't immediately accepted, blame the consensus process. #shitliberalsdo (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23shitliberalsdo)

[Agent Ducky]

"It's like that story about the kid throwing the starfish on the beach back into the water. The beach is covered in starfish. An old man tells the boy he can't possibly make a difference by throwing them in one at a time, that he can't save all of them. And the little boy says 'I sure made a difference for that one.' ... You're like the old man with your views on incremental change!" (paraphrased from my mother, again)

Also
"What do we want? INCREMENTAL CHANGE!
When do we want it? GRADUALLY!"

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Couple of things I heard at my birthday party:

"You are just a communist because you are anti-American."

My response: "No, I do not hate America or its people, I just hate its government and its captialist system. Plus, if you think I am anti-American, I would also be anti-Canadian, anti-Mexican, anti-British, anti-French, anti-all of Europe; and yes, anti-Russian and anti-Chinese. I hate all capitalist nations." (note to RevLefters: I do not hate the peoples or the lands, just the capitalist systems and governments:))

"Move to Russia."

My response: "I rather stay in my own nation, and FYI, your brain must be about 20 years behind if you think the Soviet Union still exists and 59 years behind if you think it is still socialist."

"Nothing in socialist nations get done because people cannot have profits."

My response:
http://www.english-online.at/people/yuri-gagarin/yuri-gagarin-first-man-in-space.jpg
Yuri Gagarin: "I never did anything because I live in a socialist nation. I just did not feel like it. I am obviously an unemployed welfare queen."

[Caj]

Couple of things I heard at my birthday party

Why did you invite those assholes?

[NewLeft]

Word probably got out.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

So it was just me and my really good friends left by 12 AM, so we all went walking around the neighborhood (don't ask me why). Thats when they started asking me all these weird questions because they saw a poster of Marx in my bedroom (nosy SOBs).

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

They were joking about it anyways, they dont really want me to move to Russia; my skin would become so dry because of the cold that I would die:laugh:.

[ChrisK]

"I'm a radical too" - my sister

"I don't think Ayn Rand was that bad." - my sister

"People in the Paris Commune had to eat the animals in the zoo. That's communism." - my sister

"You are just close-minded and never listen to anyone else's point of view" - my sister, while interrupting me from explaining socialism to her.

"I think Obama really does have hope for us." - my sister and mom

"You are naive if you think the democrats don't care" - more people than I can reasonably be asked to count.

"Anarchism is a state of mind. I does not need a revolution." - faux-anarchist liberal who sits next to me in class

"Telling me that private property and possessions are different is very bourgeois." - faux-anarchist liberal who sits next to me in class

"Why do you hate innovators?" - liberal kid in my class.

"You guys should tone down your rhetoric because it turns off people like me who would join otherwise," - some liberal rich girl at a meeting.

[Ostrinski]

"you live in a fantasy world"- everyone and then some

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"you live in a fantasy world"- everyone and then some

Then its a damn good thing I prefer fantasy to reality-Lord of the Rings kicks ass anyways :cool:

[Veovis]

When someone tells me to move to North Korea, I usually reply that I would have much more fun bringing "North Korea" here. :tt2:

[TheGodlessUtopian]

When someone tells me to move to North Korea, I usually reply that I would have much more fun bringing "North Korea" here. :tt2:

Is my exact response as well.lol

[Landsharks eat metal]

"The bourgeois are suffering just as much as we are."-- Some girl's comment on a picture shared by Vermin Supreme on Facebook.

[Kotze]

"Respect our process"Process has formality in your life when it's law of your life.

So if you
sign this petition here
you have nothing to fear.
Kiss this corporate rear.

Butt.

First of all
pray for all who live in monopoly.
To get all
despots destroyed
through our smart consumption choice.

Arree espee eecee ee, respect formality. Ow bee ee why

o_____o

[bricolage]

"People in the Paris Commune had to eat the animals in the zoo. That's communism." - my sister
actually they ate the animals under the siege of Paris which was the end part of the Franco-Prussian war between... two capitalist states.
under the commune I think people ate relatively well.

[bricolage]

"Respect our process"
well I mean you could level this against both anarchists and 'anarchists' too.

[ChrisK]

If I remember right. Near the end of the Commune, they had to eat rats and what not. But, that was during a siege and that sort of stuff happens during sieges. Everywhere.

[bricolage]

If I remember right. Near the end of the Commune, they had to eat rats and what not. But, that was during a siege and that sort of stuff happens during sieges. Everywhere.
yeah maybe, I'm not sure. if I remember correctly they weren't properly under siege until very late on, and by then they were being shot at anyway.
but it was definitely the prussian siege at the end of 1870 that really starved the city.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"The bourgeois are suffering just as much as we are."-- Some girl's comment on a picture shared by Vermin Supreme on Facebook.

Yes,I can tell they are suffering by how wealthy and powerful they are :rolleyes:

[ChrisK]

One of my favorites:
"But Bill Gates gives a lot to charity"

[Ocean Seal]

"Since your a Communist, you believe we should all wear the same clothing! I like my clothing!"


Yes, Red Mario style suspenders for all.
Your outfits will be grey and you will receive 5 of them, and you will like it.

[Ele'ill]

well I mean you could level this against both anarchists and 'anarchists' too.

Given the situations where I heard it no, it's not the same. It's also the immediately alienating language of 'our' literally being used as a slur to make others not welcome. Wait, what do you mean by "anarchists and 'anarchists'"?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Your outfits will be grey and you will receive 5 of them, and you will like it.

My father said the outfits would all be green, because he had seen Soviet World-War II military uniforms on television.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

One of my favorites:
"But Bill Gates gives a lot to charity"

I do believe that he is giving away his fortune, slowly. Doesn't matter though. No matter how much money the bourgeoisie give to charity it will not prevent the collapse of capitalism.

[bricolage]

Given the situations where I heard it no, it's not the same. It's also the immediately alienating language of 'our' literally being used as a slur to make others not welcome. Wait, what do you mean by "anarchists and 'anarchists'"?
The first one referred to actual anarchists, the second to hippies that call themselves anarchists. In my experience both have the capacity to fetishise process.

But yeah I don't know the situation you are referring to.

[Ocean Seal]

One of my favorites:
"But Bill Gates gives a lot to charity"
My favorite answer here, is imagine all the children we could help if we took his whole fortune.

[Ostrinski]

"hey man, this isnt 1920"

man oh man

[NewLeft]

hey man its not 1776 either, shit (capitalism) has got to go

[Doflamingo]

Here's a direct quote from a skype chat with my liberal friend.

"you are paranoid
and make no sense
you will go nowhere
because of the inner workings of your mind"

All because I said that the US government can't be trusted and there is no leftist party in the United States.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

My friend who's an "anarchist"

"I support small business. Anything else is a pipe dream, people are too stupid to do anything else."

"If you run from the police you're obviously guilty of something"

"I'm all for prison reform"

[Left Leanings]

When I was in sixth-form at school, I was a member of the Labour Party. One of the dumbest things I ever heard, came from one of the branch officials, who was a low-level member of the Judiciary: I became a magistrate to help the working class.

Very odd, when you consider that on the whole, it is working class people who are policed into the courts, and he was in a position to fine and jail them.

The same guy also refused to support the civil disobedience campaign, centred on non-payment of the infamous, Thatcherite Community Charge, or Poll Tax, as it was known. This was a way of funding local government services, that was levied on people, not property. Therefore, the rich in their grand houses, saved thousands a year, and the poor in their council houses, ended up paying hundreds more.

When me and my mates were stood outside the court with our banners, in support of the non-payers, he and his mates were inside, sat on the bench, handing out sentences.

The same guy also said of the hard-left: "they haven't done us any favours".

So much for the social democrats/liberals/moderates in the Labour Party. He was 'New Labour' before the term was invented, and no doubt an ardent supporter of Tony Blair.

He was also a committed Christian, and would talk openly of the threat posed by Islam.

I have a lot to thank him for, though. He was instrumental in my decision to the get the hell out of the Labour Party :D

[Le Socialiste]

"I think the pursuit of a classless, stateless society that is organized democratically and managed for the benefit of the collective is a solid, noble effort. I could definitely get behind that - but I also think capitalism is capable of achieving such a society."

...

My face as I heard this from beginning to end:

:) :confused: :bored: :mad: :cursing:

[Ele'ill]

"It's not engaging in sexist behavior that's the problem, it's sexism as an institutionalized system of oppression that's the problem."

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

"It's not engaging in sexist behavior that's the problem, it's sexism as an institutionalized system of oppression that's the problem."

You know what is even stupider? "A comment written on one of those tags in the back of your pants is important to the rights of women."

You see what I did there? Stop bringing bullshit from a closed thread over to another thread.

[Le Socialiste]

You know what is even stupider? "A comment written on one of those tags in the back of your pants is important to the rights of women."

You see what I did there? Stop bringing bullshit from a closed thread over to another thread.

Please God, not this again...

Anyway, I have another:

"I refuse to work with unions. They're little better than the 1%."

[Ostrinski]

I believe in people and their ability to do the right thing.

[bricolage]

pretty much anyone that starts talking in terms of 99% and 1% seems a dumb liberal.

[GPDP]

pretty much anyone that starts talking in terms of 99% and 1% seems a dumb liberal.

To be fair, a lot of those people have never conceived of politics in terms of class struggle, beyond perhaps rich and poor. I agree it's a very nebulous and even liberal term, but many of those who use those terms most likely already get the gist of which class they represent. All they need is a slight push in the right direction.

[bricolage]

To be fair, a lot of those people have never conceived of politics in terms of class struggle, beyond perhaps rich and poor. I agree it's a very nebulous and even liberal term, but many of those who use those terms most likely already get the gist of which class they represent. All they need is a slight push in the right direction.
I dunno what it's like in america but here the only people that mention the percentage things aren't the much fabled 'ordinary people' who have suddenly got angry but well seasoned activists who have got a new phrase to throw about.

[Brosip Tito]

This gem:

SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT IN REALITY IT DOESN'T WORK!

[Caj]

To be fair, a lot of those people have never conceived of politics in terms of class struggle, beyond perhaps rich and poor. I agree it's a very nebulous and even liberal term, but many of those who use those terms most likely already get the gist of which class they represent. All they need is a slight push in the right direction.

You mean in the left direction.

See what I did there? :cool:

[Ocean Seal]

You are naive for believing in communism.
ZOMG Kony 2012.

[Le Libérer]

You know what is even stupider? "A comment written on one of those tags in the back of your pants is important to the rights of women."

You see what I did there? Stop bringing bullshit from a closed thread over to another thread.

Cut the shit, Comrade Commistar. You are the one who made it about a closed thread by posting this ^^. You obviously are oblivious to the fact that women are in constant struggle against sexism, even more so outside this board. (Not much though with users like you here).

I warned you and everyone else in that thread I would start infracting (or more) people for bullying the women on this board like you did in the other thread. Theres not going to be a third one.

[ellipsis]

My ends are being met, thus justifying the means, ie subverting consensus and establishing myself in a position of power.-liberal ex-comrade, paraphrased.

[Agent Ducky]

"What about the ROADS? What happens to them?"

[Althusser]

Wow, you're so radical. Do you like Alex Jones?

[Leftsolidarity]

Don't split the vote or else the Republicans will win!

[GPDP]

We have to get Hispanics to vote [for the Democrats] so that they notice us and begin to cater to our interests. If we don't vote, they'll think we don't care and thus they won't care about us.

This from a friend who considers himself a radical and anti-capitalist. Of course, he comes from a very rich family, and is on an internship in Washington D.C., so it doesn't surprise me to hear such petit-bourgeois liberal claptrap from him. I mostly consider him a comrade because he does genuinely care about workers and their plight, but I nearly blew a fuse when he said this to me.

[NewLeft]

Why don't you join a commune.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Why don't you join a commune.

I would if I could! :lol:

[Decommissioner]

When showing tolerance towards LGBT people:

"I support gay marriage, it's not their fault they were born that way!"

translation: They have an affliction, we should pity them!

A lot of liberals seem to support LGBT rights solely on the basis that they were "born that way" and thus cant help that they are gay, as though it is abnormal or a disease. Conservatives will try to "cure" this disease while fascists will try to outright obliterate it, but liberals, well meaning but naive, choose to offer asylum and normalization while not challenging their own views on sexuality and gender norms. Would liberals be so tolerant if more people were to make a conscious decision to be gay?

On the issue of poverty and crimes within the black community:

"They just need to catch up, they've only had equal rights for about 50 years!"

translation: black people aren't oppressed, the only reason they aren't as "successful" as whites is because they haven't tried hard enough.

The above assumption relies on the belief that everyone in america will eventually "come up" and get rich, and also that oppression and inequality are already things of the past. Also relies upon the assumption that there is a pinnacle of "success" and that white people in america have reached it already, and that the black community should aspire to reach it as well.

[Ostrinski]

I really hate it when liberals say with regard to lgbt politics:
"We should let them do whatever they want."

Oh, how fucking kind of you, asshole.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

When showing tolerance towards LGBT people:

"I support gay marriage, it's not their fault they were born that way!"

translation: They have an affliction, we should pity them!

A lot of liberals seem to support LGBT rights solely on the basis that they were "born that way" and thus cant help that they are gay, as though it is abnormal or a disease. Conservatives will try to "cure" this disease while fascists will try to outright obliterate it, but liberals, well meaning but naive, choose to offer asylum and normalization while not challenging their own views on sexuality and gender norms. Would liberals be so tolerant if more people were to make a conscious decision to be gay?

I hope you are not suggesting that homosexuals chose to be gay...

[NewLeft]

free tibet

[Ostrinski]

I hope you are not suggesting that homosexuals chose to be gay...S/he is saying that even if they did, it shouldn't matter anyway, I think.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Well, your guy's dead!" ...to a comrade while the liberal was defeated in a passing debate.

Haha... holy shit, that has got to be the WORST comeback I have ever heard from a cappie in regards to socialism.

[NewLeft]

we need to support our small businesses

[Decommissioner]

I hope you are not suggesting that homosexuals chose to be gay...

I am not. I am merely suggesting that if they did, would liberals still support them?

[ellipsis]

Anarchists for avalos! Avalos being a local populist progressive politician who co-opted OSF for election season.

[NoPasaran1936]

Wasn't Smith opposed to money being used in a market economy?

No, I think he was against money being created by markets, but created and controlled by government.

[Leftsolidarity]

That's like reverse racism bro

[Ocean Seal]

It doesn't matter that Obama hasn't gone through on his promises, what matters is that we elect him so that a Republican doesn't get into office.

[Geiseric]

"The market bounces back all the time, that' just how things work. Recessions happen all the time, so we shouldn't worry about it."

The 2nd sentence I heard and called it out as a non sequitor, which won me the arguement.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

"Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, who were all anti capitalists" - Noam Chomsky

Chomsky is correct. Anyone who has read any of Thomas Jefferson or Adam Smith's books will notice that they inherently were against the capitalist organisation of production, which is what we define capitalism as.

Adam Smith:

....division of labor will destroy human beings and turn people into creatures as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human being to be.-'Wealth of Nations'

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-adam/works/wealth-of-nations/index.htm

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Liberals are worse than conservatives in my opinion. They are like fucking children; don't listen, have a set mind, and are easily offended. Here is a nice poem that our Comrade Brecht wrote for the liberal capitalists:


Step forward: we hear

That you are a good man.

You cannot be bought, but the lightning

Which strikes the house, also

Cannot be bought.

You hold to what you said.

But what did you say?

You are honest, you say your opinion.

Which opinion?

You are brave.

Against whom?

You are wise.

For whom?

You do not consider your personal advantages.

Whose advantages do you consider then?

You are a good friend.

Are you also a good friend of the good people?


Hear us then: we know.

You are our enemy. This is why we shall

Now put you in front of a wall. But in consideration

of your merits and good qualities

We shall put you in front of a good wall and shoot you

With a good bullet from a good gun and bury you

With a good shovel in the good earth.

[Ocean Seal]

Chomsky is correct. Anyone who has read any of Thomas Jefferson or Adam Smith's books will notice that they inherently were against the capitalist organisation of production, which is what we define capitalism as.

Really Thomas Jefferson the slave owner? The same guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence and is exalted by bourgeois thought today. Where did he ever speak against property owners as a whole? Or the methods of capitalist organization.
Second, Smith is quite confusing, he will say a lot of things that sound really bad about capitalism, and then go ahead and defend them or say something like well just deal with it.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Second, Smith is quite confusing, he will say a lot of things that sound really bad about capitalism, and then go ahead and defend them or say something like well just deal with it.

I think it is easily explained: Adam Smith realised there were troubles with capitalism, that it wasn't perfect and mythical. He was something of a social-democrat, had he been alive today, anyway; thus he wanted the government to sort the problems that arose, to assure a "smooth functioning" of capitalism and the markets. It's silly to think that this conclusion means that Smith is anti-capitalist, however...

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

"The Democraic Party is the party of the working class!"

LOL :rolleyes:

Just confused social democrats.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"The Democraic Party is the party of the working class!"

LOL :rolleyes:

Just confused social democrats.

...are there any other kind of social-democrat? :lol:

[NewLeft]

Jesus was a socialist

[NewLeft]

If you don't vote, then don't complain. (Vote NDP! :glare:)

[NewLeft]

Socialism didn't work, so we're for an ethical capitalism.

[Left Leanings]

I think you can achieve socialism by a parliamentary road...just :laugh:

[tbasherizer]

Kony 2012

[Manic Impressive]

I think you can achieve socialism by a parliamentary road...just :laugh:

In our midst there has been formed a group advocating the workers' abstention from political action. We have considered it our duty to declare how dangerous and fatal for our cause such principles appear to be.
Someday the worker must seize political power in order to build up the new organization of labor; he must overthrow the old politics which sustain the old institutions, if he is not to lose Heaven on Earth, like the old Christians who neglected and despised politics.
But we have not asserted that the ways to achieve that goal are everywhere the same.
You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries -- such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland -- where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. This being the case, we must also recognize the fact that in most countries on the Continent the lever of our revolution must be force; it is force to which we must some day appeal in order to erect the rule of labor.

What Marx is saying here is that where there is a tradition of parliamentary democracy the parties should use it but where there is no semblance of democracy places like Prussia, Austria, Russia which were all monarchies that force is the only option. Is Marx a liberal?

[Left Leanings]

What Marx is saying here is that where there is a tradition of parliamentary democracy the parties should use it but where there is no semblance of democracy places like Prussia, Austria, Russia which were all monarchies that force is the only option. Is Marx a liberal?

I take your point.

There have been strong leftists voice in the the British Parliament, exemplified in the Campaign Group, a faction within the Labour Party. But I think the best that can be hoped for out of Parliament, is to make propaganda.

If a socialist government is elected, will it actually BE in power? How will the army react? The senior police? The merchant bankers? Do you think these people will just roll over and play dead? I don't think so.

The Thatcher governments were right-wing and reactionary, and appeared to be powerful, because they carried out the bidding of the unelected rich and powerful. But had Thatcher and her ministers taken a bang to the head, or undergone a Damascene conversion, and started to implement socialist laws, and radically redistribute wealth, do you think they would have been allowed to do so?

[seventeethdecember2016]

"I'm joining the Peace Corps." LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

When I was in High School, there was a Liberal who always talked about joining the Peace Corps. I don't think she ever actually joined them though.

Here is one I've heard before.
"I am hopeful that in the future humanity will rid itself of isms."

[Manic Impressive]

I take your point.

There have been strong leftists voice in the the British Parliament, exemplified in the Campaign Group, a faction within the Labour Party. But I think the best that can be hoped for out of Parliament, is to make propaganda.

If a socialist government is elected, will it actually BE in power? How will the army react? The senior police? The merchant bankers? Do you think these people will just roll over and play dead? I don't think so.

The Thatcher governments were right-wing and reactionary, and appeared to be powerful, because they carried out the bidding of the unelected rich and powerful. But had Thatcher and her ministers taken a bang to the head, or undergone a Damascene conversion, and started to implement socialist laws, and radically redistribute wealth, do you think they would have been allowed to do so?
I believe this pamphlet (http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlets/whats-wrong-using-parliament)answers most of your questions. What I always say is if the people won't do something as simple as to vote for socialism then they certainly won't fight for it

[La Comédie Noire]

"I'm joining the Peace Corps." LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

I like the people who are really intent on joining the peace corps even though their degree is in something inapplicable like Art History.

I just hate a political, woe is me, humans are evil, arguments and the god awful movies they spawn. Just the complete pessimism people have in human organization.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

"I'm joining the Peace Corps." LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

When I was in High School, there was a Liberal who always talked about joining the Peace Corps. I don't think she ever actually joined them though.

Here is one I've heard before.
"I am hopeful that in the future humanity will rid itself of isms."
Were you talking to a Rastafarian?

[GPDP]

Were you talking to a Rastafarian?

That kind of line is popular with liberals of all stripes, not just hippies and rastas. They have this notion that the problem with the world is ideology, and that all we need to do is drop the "isms" and come together and solve shit. Because there's no such thing as class interests or anything, of course. In the end, it's all idealist let's-hold-hands-and-sing-kumbaya crap.