Quitting Smoking Thread [Archive]

¿Que?

11th January 2012, 21:55

So I made this thread for anyone interested in quitting smoking. What I was thinking is, we set a date, let's say, one week from today, and that'll be our quit date. We all quit on that day and use whatever method works for us. Then, we report back here if we slip or if we're about to slip.

For this to work, I think it would take at least three people fully committed. No news is good news, that means, you can post updates, but you have to post if you slip. You have to fess up to the rest of the group. That way, there will be accountability as well as social support.

Who's in?

Ostrinski

11th January 2012, 22:00

I'm not interested in quitting smoking. But this is a good idea.

¿Que?

11th January 2012, 22:04

I'm not interested in quitting smoking. But this is a good idea.
Thanks Bro...eh spierre.

CommieTroll

11th January 2012, 22:24

I'm up for quitting but I'll have to set a later date than a week, does weed count of I quit?:D

Decolonize The Left

11th January 2012, 22:24

I was a smoker for 7-8 years at a half pack a day. I also have asthma. When I was flush I smoked American Spirit lights, when not so flush Camel lights. When broke I rolled filterless Bali Shag, the blue bag, not the white one (I think that's hazelnut or some shit).

I haven't smoked for a year and a month. I quit after I got all four of my wisdom teeth removed and was on a fair amount of narcotics for a week. I physically did not want to smoke during this time as I was all woozy and fucked up from the drugs. When I was done recovering, I decided to quit.

So here's what I can tell you:
- It takes about a week (give or take a couple days) for the chemical addiction to nicotine to leave your system. The first 3 days are the hardest. After a week you should no longer be chemically addicted, everything is psychological.
- Dealing with this is harder. Removing absolutely everything that is related to smoking is the first step: cigs, ashtrays, lighters, matches, outdoor ashtray, buts, etc... get it all out. Next, you need to understand that the physical act of smoking is tied to other physical acts (sitting on your porch, leaving a bar to go stand outside, etc...). There is a psychological tie between these acts. You need to break this tie. Do not avoid doing the things you used to do, just don't smoke while you do them. Do not alter your life, just leave smoking out of it. If your friends are going out to have a smoke, join them, but don't smoke. If you were used to smoking constantly, get something to fiddle with. You have muscle memory built up over time from holding a cigarette in your hand, so get something else to fill that void.
- Next, figure out how much you smoked. A pack a day? That's seven a week, twenty-eight a month, 336 a year. At approx. $5 a pack that's $1680 a year you spend on cigarettes. Think about it for a minute - you could do a lot with fifteen hundred bucks.
- Finally, you need to exercise and drink tons of water. Water will flush out your liver which has been processing all the crap from cigarettes. Exercise will not only help you recover, but it is also psychologically beneficial (it reduces stress as well).

I'm not writing this to be your mom or tell you how to quit, it's just helpful information that will really aid in your desire to quit.
If you're gonna do it - do it. Don't be that person who is always saying they're gonna quit, then they do for two days, then they don't, then they do for three days, then they don't. It's annoying and it only builds up a psychological desire to repeat the process as it's partially satisfying.

Good luck to you all.

- August

Ostrinski

11th January 2012, 22:28

I'm up for quitting but I'll have to set a later date than a week, does weed count of I quit?:DI was thinking of putting this, but the dynamics are different for weed smokers and nicotine addicts. It wouldn't be nearly as hard for us because we don't have to endure chemical withdrawl. Although, the boredom that would ensue would probably be equally as afflicting.

Ele'ill

11th January 2012, 22:39

I'll do this again.

CommieTroll

11th January 2012, 22:40

I was thinking of putting this, but the dynamics are different for weed smokers and nicotine addicts. It wouldn't be nearly as hard for us because we don't have to endure chemical withdrawl. Although, the boredom that would ensue would probably be equally as afflicting.

I usually only smoke grass on the weekends as mostly a social thing but I smoke cigarettes every day, I think I'm a 10-15 a day man but I smoke ''rollies'' because cigarettes became too expensive.I will be quitting weed for a couple of months pretty soon but first I want to ditch tobacco, (quitting both would be too hard). So to anyone here who wants to quit all I can say is I'm game

¿Que?

12th January 2012, 02:14

Alright, looks like we have some interest. Ok, so CommieTroll suggested we push the quit date back some, so how about two weeks, is that too much. And about weed, it's really up to you, the point is, as August suggests, that we do what we're going to do, not dilly dally.

So in summary, Quit Date is Jan. 25th. 2012 Mark Your Calendars!!!!. Unless someone objects.

Crux

12th January 2012, 02:19

Does it count if I switch to snus? I have been thinking about doing so lately.

thriller

12th January 2012, 04:55

Count me in. Jan 17th it is.

¿Que?

12th January 2012, 07:23

Does it count if I switch to snus? I have been thinking about doing so lately.
I don't know, I think no, tho, because it's still a tobacco product, unlike weed. But I think the best is to just do it your own way and just be accountable to what you decide.

Count me in. Jan 17th it is.
You trollin ma thread?

bcbm

12th January 2012, 16:41

i quit on new years day. so far so good. don't even have cravings really

black magick hustla

12th January 2012, 17:18

i quitted august havent had one cig. it took me moving to another place and not knowing shitty hipster smokers tho

thriller

13th January 2012, 00:52

You trollin ma thread?

Not at all, I'm totally in. Here's what I'm doing: I am smoking 5 a day until Sunday, then going to try 3 a day, then on the 17th it will be 0.

¿Que?

13th January 2012, 03:14

Not at all, I'm totally in. Here's what I'm doing: I am smoking 5 a day until Sunday, then going to try 3 a day, then on the 17th it will be 0.
Ah, ok. Cool. Report back if you feel you're going to slip or whatever.

thriller

17th January 2012, 15:32

So I have not smoked at all today, feeling a little jittery, but some ganj should help with that later on. Although my friend just back from Georgia and got me a carton of Marbs. Way to tempt me bro.

bcbm

17th January 2012, 20:55

sell them for $4 a pack to your friends and make profit

Decolonize The Left

17th January 2012, 20:58

Congrats to everyone who's quit so far. Remember that the early part is the hardest, after a week or so it'll be much easier.

- August

Revolutionair

17th January 2012, 21:18

Not a smoker myself, but keep it up guys! :)

thriller

21st January 2012, 16:58

Had 3 cigs last night. I was drunk. Fuck. Back to square one (no pun intended).

Ele'ill

21st January 2012, 17:12

I'm still smoking again. I'm gonna quit some time soon. I want to start jogging again and I'm looking to cancel internet and take up boxing or muay thai (again).

¿Que?

21st January 2012, 17:33

Had 3 cigs last night. I was drunk. Fuck. Back to square one (no pun intended).
Damn that sucks. But only three, don't use it as an excuse to start smoking on the regular.

As for me, I'm sticking to my Jan. 25th day of quitting. Four more days!

thriller

21st January 2012, 23:34

Damn that sucks. But only three, don't use it as an excuse to start smoking on the regular.

As for me, I'm sticking to my Jan. 25th day of quitting. Four more days!

Havnt used as an excuse today, which I'm glad for. I just seemed to be over the physical addiction part, and then it re-entered my system, ahh well. Good luck on the 25th!

bcbm

22nd January 2012, 03:14

doing good, managed to not smoke despite getting drunx

thriller

25th January 2012, 14:28

Got some nicotine gum. Glad I did that instead if buying smokes, although it is fucking expensive. It seems like its more expensive to quit with nicotine aides.

¿Que?

25th January 2012, 18:42

Got some nicotine gum. Glad I did that instead if buying smokes, although it is fucking expensive. It seems like its more expensive to quit with nicotine aides.
If you call the quitline for your state, they'll send you free gum. At least they do here in Texas.

As for me, today is the 25th. The day I said I was going to quit. Full disclosure, I had a cigarette today. I have 3 more, and I'm thinking I should just throw them away, but I really want to smoke them, then quit.

I have like almost 0 will power. But I can do this. I've done it before...

CommieTroll

25th January 2012, 19:10

Smoked one rolled cigarette today and I'm amazed that I haven't smoked more. It's nice not smelling like an ashtray for once

bcbm

26th January 2012, 13:55

If you call the quitline for your state, they'll send you free gum. At least they do here in Texas.

As for me, today is the 25th. The day I said I was going to quit. Full disclosure, I had a cigarette today. I have 3 more, and I'm thinking I should just throw them away, but I really want to smoke them, then quit.

I have like almost 0 will power. But I can do this. I've done it before...

just give them away. i had half a pack left jan 1, i gave it to the first person who asked to bum a smoke

Ele'ill

27th January 2012, 21:18

I'm still smoking. I will quit when someone finds me an outdoor pull up bar at a public park here in Portland (putting the responsibility on someone else). The Crossfit forums don't have anything listed. I'm not going to playgrounds to use the jungle gym. That's just creepy. I have however designated about an hour or two of each day to cooking vegan foods that I can bring to work with me. I have, changed my diet up and am drinking less alcohol. I only bought cigarettes this morning to go with the energy drink on my day off here. I used to work out at the gym religiously. Had my diet and timing down perfect. I'd like to do that again some time real soon before it's too late. Tomorrow I'm buying running gear (already have shoes just no shoe laces cause I used them for a flag).

¿Que?

29th January 2012, 19:24

SO I broke down and bought smokes. I always do this, I start only to give up in a couple of days. Maybe I'll give them away at the bar later tonight.

thriller

2nd February 2012, 00:53

SO I broke down and bought smokes. I always do this, I start only to give up in a couple of days. Maybe I'll give them away at the bar later tonight.

And...?

As for me, nicotine free for 3 days now :)

¿Que?

2nd February 2012, 01:02

And...?

As for me, nicotine free for 3 days now :)
I'll start again tomorrow...:blushing:

EDIT: The quitting not the smoking

thriller

8th February 2012, 23:37

God fucking damnit! I had a cig. Just one, but still... Fuck.

dodger

8th February 2012, 23:56

I am watching you all like a hawk. Gonna wait 'till my return, avail myself of NHS free nicotine plastic tubes. Sad, weak, feeble minded folk like me can suck every last drop of our favoured drug out. My pal who visited me here has just emailed to say that he has not smoked for a year. Using that method. I smoke 60 a day ...god knows how long it will take me to be free. Anyhow good luck. My first Wifey observed that the only time I did not smoke was when I had food or a tit in my mouth. Vulgar woman. I never smoked while filling up te petrol station.

Good luck!!

PC LOAD LETTER

9th February 2012, 00:28

The only reason I was able to quit smoking in late October was because I was so fucked up on oxycodone from my wisdom teeth being removed that I didn't realize I was going through nicotine withdrawals.

A few days later ... I realized I hadn't smoked in a few days. I managed to keep away from them. It gets easier as time goes on, but 3+ months later I still catch myself wanting one every once in a while.

¿Que?

9th February 2012, 00:37

PC LOAD LETTER

9th February 2012, 07:10

I can't srsly. I try and fail every time. Last weekend I said I was going to quit. Smoked my last cig, and started chewing the gum. Then I went to a protest and was like asking everyone if they had a cigarrette, with the nicotine gum in my fucking mouth. Science, help me!!!
One thing that did somewhat help me ... find a BP station. They sell this electronic cigarette dealio for $20. Get the light cartridges if they have it, or the regular cartridge if they don't.

When you get into a nicotine fit, take a big puff and hold it in for a sec, let it out. Then put it away. Try to go for longer and longer periods of time between it.

It won't get you off cigarettes alone, but it will reduce your tolerance and get you accustomed to a much smaller dose each day. The result is the withdrawals won't be as bad when you make the final jump. Plus it's water vapor, so it's not as damaging to the lungs as burning leaves.

And you can legally smoke it inside. I cooked in a restaurant at the time and with this I didn't have to freak out, wondering when the customers would ease off (so I could go smoke) and I could get rid of the withdrawals. I could just grab it out of my pocket and take a puff right in the kitchen. There's no real smell.

bcbm

9th February 2012, 07:15

praxis1966

9th February 2012, 11:14

I know I didn't agree to participate when this thread was initially opened, but I did manage to quit for all intents and purposes. You guys who are having trouble need to do a couple of things IMO:

1) Stop being so hard on yourselves. Just because you slip and have one smoke (or even three) is no reason to beat yourselves up. I got fucked up twice in the two months I was on the patch and smoked both times, but those were the only times I slipped because I was committed by then. Other than those two slips, I've been smoke free since December 3 and I was at a pack a day before that. What I'm saying is it's normal to backslide once or twice, just don't give up altogether.

2) Maybe try going through your doctor (assuming you have insurance of some kind) for the patch. I'm actually on a county public insurance program that got me two months worth of prescription grade patches totally free... They worked a hell of a lot better than the OTC ones I've used in the past.

black magick hustla

9th February 2012, 19:45

patches are for the weak, quitted cold turkey from half a pack a day and ive been 6 months clean now. no reformism or compromise against quitting long live interna---- oops sorry

ed miliband

9th February 2012, 20:01

by half a pack do you mean a pack of 10 or 20?

Ele'ill

9th February 2012, 20:39

I'm still smoking. I quit for seven days but decided upon my drive into work to get a pack.

¿Que?

10th February 2012, 05:34

Well today I dug up my atomizer that I bought at the behest of a friend and with which I stopped for maybe around 5 days with maybe I slip here and there.

Went to a friend's house, and since the atomizer was not charged and is shitty to begin with, I smoked about I think four.

Then I smoked one more earlier today that I happen to have found in the car.

And about three more rolled from butts (gross).

So, I'm not doing too well, but I did avoid buying a pack today, and at least I saved some dough, even though I can't take it with me when I die of some horrible cancer.

Srsly, won't beat myself up, won't give up. The war is not over and on and on.

Also, I feel like this may take a while. I hope people don't get impatient with me...

¿Que?

11th February 2012, 00:30

Just bought a pack of smokes. What? Don't look at me like that. :crying:

¿Que?

11th February 2012, 00:31

If you're gonna do it - do it. Don't be that person who is always saying they're gonna quit, then they do for two days, then they don't, then they do for three days, then they don't. It's annoying and it only builds up a psychological desire to repeat the process as it's partially satisfying.

Good luck to you all.

- August
Hm...August seems to have called it with me. :crying: I'm that person. Maybe I'll look for a tobacco cessation support group.

Lobotomy

11th February 2012, 03:40

You guys can do it :thumbup:

Ele'ill

21st March 2012, 21:32

About five days ago I quit consuming alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine. I was really sick. May drink tea or coffee but never again like I was.

PC LOAD LETTER

22nd March 2012, 02:19

About five days ago I quit consuming alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine. I was really sick. May drink tea or coffee but never again like I was.
Congrats!

Well, to anyone else who is a heavy alcohol user looking to quit: Be mindful of your withdrawal. Alcohol is one of the few drugs whose withdrawal period can actually kill you. If you feel tremors and become physically ill, get in touch with a doctor. They may need to give you benzodiazepines to help you through the withdrawals alive. Only a small percentage of heavy alcohol users actually go into delirium tremens, but it could happen.

Ele'ill

22nd March 2012, 02:36

how do benzos keep you alive

PC LOAD LETTER

22nd March 2012, 02:38

how do benzos keep you alive
They stop the withdrawals and allow it to be managed (akin to tapering it off)

More info: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000766.htm
According to this: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/166032-treatment#aw2aab6b6b1aa and the previous link, they're used to stop irregular heartbeat and DT-related seizures

NYTimes: http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/alcoholism/treatment-for-alcohol-withdrawal.html

"Benzodiazepines. Anti-anxiety drugs known as benzodiazepines inhibit nerve-cell excitability in the brain and are considered to be the treatment of choice. They relieve withdrawal symptoms, help prevent progression to delirium tremens, and reduce the risk for seizures. Long-acting drugs, such as chlordiazepoxide (Libritabs, Librium), oxazepam (Serax), and halazepam (Paxipam) are preferred. They pose less risk for abuse than the shorter-acting drugs, which include diazepam (Valium), alprazolam (Xanax), and lorazepam (Ativan)."

bcbm

22nd March 2012, 04:30

i want some benzos

Prometeo liberado

22nd March 2012, 04:42

Alright, I'm pretty sure that most, if not all of you have gone at this the wrong way.
First, ramp it up to at least 2 packs a day for 10 days.
Second, come day 11 switch over to about 10 cigars a day for 10 days. Smoke around the kids if you have to. Remember nothing is more important than your health.
Third, on day 21 switch over to chewing tobacco. 3-4 bags a day, both cheeks. You can do it.
Fourth, Come day 31 move on to snuff,3-4 cans a day between the lips and gums. This isn't a time to be weak so swallow it!
By day 41 you should be either so turned off or physically sick of nicotine that resuming smoking is out of the question.
Pretty sure this works. Pretty sure.

Os Cangaceiros

22nd March 2012, 05:01

i want some benzos

They're pretty easy to get if you have insurance.

Os Cangaceiros

22nd March 2012, 05:38

Kind of addictive, though. I don't like it when I like a substance a little too much...

bcbm

22nd March 2012, 06:30

They're pretty easy to get if you have insurance.

tell me more

PC LOAD LETTER

22nd March 2012, 06:33

Kind of addictive, though. I don't like it when I like a substance a little too much...
This is how I feel about oxycodone

I like it so much I stay away from it

Astarte

22nd March 2012, 06:36

Os Cangaceiros

22nd March 2012, 06:39

tell me more

Haha. Yeah, I used to self-medicate whenever I got stressed out by smoking a little weed. Then I got into trouble and couldn't do that anymore. So I decided to go to a walk-in clinic, complained that I was stressed out, and the doctor was all like, "welp, some Xanax will help with that!" I don't take Xanax anymore, though. In fact I was only on it for a month or two before the authorities found out and made me stop. I didn't know they could do that for legitimate medical problems, but I guess they can...

My bill at the walk-in clinic was something ridiculous like 80 dollars, just for a five to ten minute conversation with a doctor. Luckily insurance picked up 75 percent of it or something. Benzos themselves are dirt cheap, though, a bottle of Xanax is like four dollars.

Better living through chemistry!

22nd March 2012, 06:43

Xanax is terrible, I was hooked on that shit for like seven years, I think my memory is actually permanently fucked from it. Not worth it at all, IMHO.

Os Cangaceiros

22nd March 2012, 06:48

I like how it would prevent thoughts from entering your mind, lol

Being on Xanax is like being on cruise control.

Astarte

22nd March 2012, 06:57

I like how it would prevent thoughts from entering your mind, lol

Being on Xanax is like being on cruise control.

Yeah, until you build a tolerance and start having adverse affects like Travis the Xanax Tea Monkey.

bcbm

22nd March 2012, 06:59

I like how it would prevent thoughts from entering your mind, lol

Being on Xanax is like being on cruise control.

that sounds nice it takes me an hour to fall asleep every night because my mind just goes into hyperdrive as soon as i lay down unless i am completely exhausted

Xanax is terrible, I was hooked on that shit for like seven years, I think my memory is actually permanently fucked from it. Not worth it at all, IMHO.

that is kind of concerning though. how does it fuck your memory? mine is already pretty terrible

Ele'ill

22nd March 2012, 07:05

It's not as easy to get Xanax through a prescription anymore.

22nd March 2012, 07:08

that is kind of concerning though. how does it fuck your memory? mine is already pretty terrible

Dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterograde_amnesia

Enormous chunks of my teenage years are totally gone from my memory. That stuff is really, really messed up.

It's not as easy to get Xanax through a prescription anymore.

Good IMHO

Os Cangaceiros

22nd March 2012, 07:09

Did something happen in the last year? (in regards to it being harder to get Xanax)

Franz Fanonipants

22nd March 2012, 07:10

keep it up comrades nicotine dependency is reactionary

Ele'ill

22nd March 2012, 08:29

Did something happen in the last year? (in regards to it being harder to get Xanax)

Actually yeah probably. I have friends who work at clinics and they were telling me about the influx of benzo withdrawl patients or something and how it has become a really huge issue cause so many people are abusing it.

¿Que?

23rd March 2012, 03:02

Kind of a coincidence, I didn't even know this thread existed, I've been trying to quit smoking for the past two weeks, I can only go about 4 or 5 hours before a nic-fit. Every night before I go to bed I tell myself tomorrow I won't smoke and I usually get 2 or 3 hours into the day before I cave. My last vice here, having a really hard time quitting.
Hey, I started this fucking thread, and I see no end in sight, as far as my smoking is concerned. Actually picked up some Tony Robbins tapes to get me more motivated. Listened to three days, then went through a major depressive episode in which I was at motivation level 0, and stopped listening to them. I also saw on the news a guy talking about a book The Power of Habit which I want to check out as well.

bcbm

23rd March 2012, 03:18

fuck that self help bullshit read some neitzsche and some stirner

¿Que?

23rd March 2012, 03:28

fuck that self help bullshit read some neitzsche and some stirner
I don't see how reading Nietzche or Stirner is going to help me quit smoking. The self help stuff is actually interesting in that it suggests exercises to do to achieve a certain end. It's pretty intuitive, but it does offer up a structure, which I think is helpful.

Prometeo liberado

23rd March 2012, 03:32

¿Que?

23rd March 2012, 03:37

If you listen to that ass-bag Tony Robbins or pretty much any motivational speaker long enough you will quit smoking. Along with thinking, eating and breathing. Don't drink the kool-aide comrade, don't do it.
I don't see what the problem is. It's typical self-help stuff. It has its uses, but I don't plan on joining the cult of Robbins any time soon. Besides, I DL the audio torrents for free.

In fact, I've actually been pondering how maybe applying some of those techniques organizationally could produce more effective results for leftist causes.

Prometeo liberado

23rd March 2012, 04:16

¿Que?

23rd March 2012, 05:03

Hey, if it works for you then go for it. I've had to sit through waaaay to many of these people peddle their crap. For some reason corporate America seems to think that these guys have all the answers. I actually heard at one of these seminars a Tony Robbins employee state that "it's not who you hire, it's who you fire". Put your hand up if you you want to be a millionaire. Please! The only one getting anything out of this shite is the guy on stage.
Well, yeah, plus he touts this whole life philosophy on this sort of self actualized moral being, but the guy cheated on his wife with groupies etc. Be that as it may, I still think there could be some tricks that may be of use to anyone.

But yeah, I cringe when he says shit like, it doesn't matter if your black or white, or whatever, you too can become a millionaire! Stuff like that is dumb. As if life chances doesn't also play a role as well as personal decisions. Meh, I may just be desperate!

PC LOAD LETTER

23rd March 2012, 05:08

Well, yeah, plus he touts this whole life philosophy on this sort of self actualized moral being, but the guy cheated on his wife with groupies etc. Be that as it may, I still think there could be some tricks that may be of use to anyone.

But yeah, I cringe when he says shit like, it doesn't matter if your black or white, or whatever, you too can become a millionaire! Stuff like that is dumb. As if life chances doesn't also play a role as well as personal decisions. Meh, I may just be desperate!
Study all of the crap motivational speakers spew

Then become a motivational speaker :)

Prometeo liberado

23rd March 2012, 05:20

I think you hit it right on the head when you said "trick". Thats all that this stuff is. That and words, and words should be free. The only millionaire that these people are talking about is themselves. Basically just don't pay for it, with cash or an undue amount of time.

Lobotomy

23rd March 2012, 06:13

tony robbins has huge teeth

Prometeo liberado

23rd March 2012, 06:49

tony robbins has huge teeth

A cross between Roosevelt and a guy with really big teeth.:D

bcbm

23rd March 2012, 06:55

I don't see how reading Nietzche or Stirner is going to help me quit smoking.

become your own master

also i am just kidding. kinda

Ele'ill

23rd March 2012, 06:58

Rather than self-help tapes that make you feel good about self helping yourself in between cigarette breaks- try reading about all the young people that die of cancer and other smoking relating illnesses. By young I don't mean 40-50 I mean 18-35. Rare/less common? Yeah, but still possible. Some die slowly, others die fast like measured in weeks from when they're diagnosed which is pretty scary.

Astarte

23rd March 2012, 18:23

Hey, I started this fucking thread, and I see no end in sight, as far as my smoking is concerned. Actually picked up some Tony Robbins tapes to get me more motivated. Listened to three days, then went through a major depressive episode in which I was at motivation level 0, and stopped listening to them. I also saw on the news a guy talking about a book The Power of Habit which I want to check out as well.

There was a point in my life where I was addicted to some worse stuff than cigarettes for a long time (opiates: pills), but insanely enough I am having a harder time kicking nicotine than pills ... the addiction is 1000x more subtle than the pharms, clearly just as bad for you, if not worse, and because of its subtly, and ease of access a lot harder to quit, really wish I never started in the first place...

On an up note, only had a total of 8 cigarettes yesterday, and well, today so far only 1 whole one and a clip after lunch...

I agree that nicotine, and any kind of addiction for that matter is completely reactionary.

dodger

23rd March 2012, 19:12

I have set out all these seats in a horse shoe. Can anyone guess why?

"Cos you ain't figured out where the horse's arse has gotta go!!"

A pretty normal start to a privatised tube seminar.........

It usually ended with "Never did the M25(freeway) seem so inviting...these people are morons" Overheard as he got into his Jag which some immature person had keyed and tipped nail varnish remover. Defiance took many forms. The comments at the Anti-Racism SEMINAR are unprintable, though the canapes were delightful. People just were not listening....DO YOU EVER GET THAT???