Covert War in Iran kills nuclear expert....

[RadioRaheem84]

http://news.yahoo.com/bomb-kills-iranian-nuclear-expert-122304552.html

A chemical expert with operational links to Iran's nuclear program was killed in a bomb blast.

Iranians are calling this an act of terror by the West. funny enough, terrorism is in quotes in the article.

When the West is suspected of terror, it's in quotes. :rolleyes:

[danyboy27]

The question of the day: wich country sanctionned this?
I mean, there is so many governements that hate Iran guts right now, it could be virtually anybody. COuld be the U.S, israel, saudi arabia, pakistan, egypt.

[00000000000]

Hmmm...US is the most obvious culprit I suppose...but if this were an episode of House it would be a really obscure country after several more obvious ones had been disproved...so...Switzerland?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I would think that Israel would be the most obvious culprit, giving it's proximity to the region and admission of other acts of sabotage within Iran.

[piet11111]

Hmmm...US is the most obvious culprit I suppose...but if this were an episode of House it would be a really obscure country after several more obvious ones had been disproved...so...Switzerland?

Actually Israel is more likely they want to attack Iran very badly but the USA is not confident enough of a successful outcome to commit itself so instead Israel put saboteurs on the ground to cause as much damage it can and hopefully provoke Iran to start the war for them.

The CIA is doing its dirty work in Iran too but the Israeli Mossad is doing everything it can to maximize the damage it can cause.

[svenne]

Well, if it's the west (and i'm pretty sure it propably is): isn't it a tad better to assasinate then people, than starting an air war against Iran? It's not like i want a theocratic right-wing dictatorship (well, one of 'em alreade got it) to get the bomb. 'Cause if they use it, Israel's gonna use it, and vice versa. Nuclear armageddon is a bad, bad thing. And has nothing to do with anti-imperialism, communism, nor anything vaguely progressive.

[Firebrand]

Well, if it's the west (and i'm pretty sure it propably is): isn't it a tad better to assasinate then people, than starting an air war against Iran? It's not like i want a theocratic right-wing dictatorship (well, one of 'em alreade got it) to get the bomb. 'Cause if they use it, Israel's gonna use it, and vice versa. Nuclear armageddon is a bad, bad thing. And has nothing to do with anti-imperialism, communism, nor anything vaguely progressive.

Thats true. Its bad enough having one nutty right wing religious country in that area with the bomb. If two opposing ones get it then that would be very very bad. and may cause the end of the world as we know it.
While the world as we know it isn't particularly brilliant i'm pretty sure we all have a pretty firm idea of how it should end and that idea involves world revolution not mass extinction

[bcbm]

Well, if it's the west (and i'm pretty sure it propably is): isn't it a tad better to assasinate then people, than starting an air war against Iran? It's not like i want a theocratic right-wing dictatorship (well, one of 'em alreade got it) to get the bomb. 'Cause if they use it, Israel's gonna use it, and vice versa. Nuclear armageddon is a bad, bad thing. And has nothing to do with anti-imperialism, communism, nor anything vaguely progressive.

i think the point of getting the bomb is to prevent war, iran knows that countries with nuclear capability don't get invaded and given the saber rattling they're trying to get it as fast as possible so they can tell the west to fuck off. this is why there is so much concern over it.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Hmmm...US is the most obvious culprit I suppose...but if this were an episode of House it would be a really obscure country after several more obvious ones had been disproved...so...Switzerland?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16519304


US condemns bomb attack on Iran nuclear scientist

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57834000/jpg/_57834263_013679006-1.jpg A magnetic bomb was attached to the car by two motorcyclists, Iran says
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16519304#story_continues_1) Iran nuclear crisis



Undeclared pursuit? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16513186)
Q&A: Nuclear issue (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11709428)
Key nuclear sites (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11927720)
Sanctions' impact Watch (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16400751)



The US has condemned the killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist in a car bomb attack in north Tehran.
National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said the US "had absolutely nothing to do" with the attack.
Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan, who worked at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, died along with the driver of the car.
Several Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated in recent years, with Iran blaming Israel and the US.
Both deny any involvement.
Washington and its allies suspect Tehran of secretly developing a nuclear weapon but Iran insists its nuclear programme is peaceful.
"The United States had absolutely nothing to do with this. We strongly condemn all acts of violence, including acts of violence like this," said Mr Vietor.
Iran's Atomic Energy Organization described the killings as "a heinous act".
Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Rahimi said on state TV that the bomb attack would not stop "progress" in the country's nuclear programme.
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16519304#story_continues_2) Analysis

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49365000/jpg/_49365971_gardner.jpg Frank Gardner BBC security correspondent
The assassination may now prompt Iran to try to respond in kind.
The murder in Tehran of Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan comes on top of a sophisticated cyber sabotage programme and two mysterious explosions at Iranian military bases, one of which in November killed the general known as 'the godfather' of Iran's ballistic missile programme.
Regardless of who is behind these attacks, Iran is clearly being subjected to an undeclared campaign to slow down its nuclear programme.


Frank Gardner's analysis in full (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16513186)


Mr Ahmadi-Roshan, 32, was a university lecturer who supervised a department at the Natanz plant, the semi-official news agency Fars reported.
Iranian officials said two men on a motorcycle attached a magnetic bomb to his car during the morning rush hour and detonated it outside a university campus.
Mr Ahmadi-Roshan died immediately while his driver died later of his wounds, Fars reported. A third occupant of the Peugeot 405 was injured and taken to hospital.
The blast left debris hanging in nearby trees.
Iran says the attack was similar to the killings of three other scientists over the past two years.
A senior Israeli official described the attack as "revenge" but said he was unaware who had carried it out.
"I don't know who took revenge on the Iranian scientist but I am definitely not shedding a tear," military spokesman Brig Gen Yoav Mordechai wrote on his official Facebook page.
The attack comes amid rising tensions between Iran and the West.
The UN's nuclear watchdog recently confirmed that Tehran had begun enriching uranium up to 20% at its underground northern Fordo plant near Qom.
The US said it was "a further escalation" of Iran's violation of UN resolutions regarding its nuclear plans.
In a further attempt to pile pressure on Iran, Western UN envoys on Wednesday condemned Iran's enrichment of uranium at the Fordo plant as a "clear breach" of UN resolutions.
France's deputy envoy Martin Briens said Britain, France, Germany and the US raised concerns at the Security Council because the new plant has no "credible civilian use".
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57834000/jpg/_57834908_57834907.jpg Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan worked at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility
However, the BBC's Barbara Plett at the UN says an agreement on further sanctions is unlikely.
The UN Security Council has passed six resolutions and four rounds of sanctions against Iran although Russia and China are expected to block any further measures.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov earlier told the Itar-Tass news agency that Moscow was firmly against any new sanctions on Iran, adding that they wouldn't help nuclear non-proliferation.
Western nations are also imposing sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme. In response, Tehran has threatened to block the transport of oil through the Strait of Hormuz.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday described that threat as "provocative and dangerous".
Granted, nobody should take their protestations of innocence too seriously, but it is odd. France or Israel are more likely culprits. Sarkozy has exhibited more violent tendencies towards Iran than other powers in NATO. It could be a false flag operation however it seems nuts to think a state would do such a thing to a scientist or engineer. Possibly also an internal terrorist group, of which there are many in Iran, but it would seem unlikely for them to pick on scientists and not more mundane military targets.


Also, fuck this asshole:


"I don't know who took revenge on the Iranian scientist but I am definitely not shedding a tear," military spokesman Brig Gen Yoav Mordechai wrote on his official Facebook page.In other words-"I like it when when Iranians are killed!" That is nothing more than puerile racist bloodlust.

[RadioRaheem84]

Iran is trying to aquire a nuke in order to use it as a detterent against the invading West.

It's a means of protection. But of course it being in the hands of a right wing religious zealot government doesn't make me feel any easier. The best thing that I can say though is that regardless of the Iranian reactionary regime, they still tout some sort of anti-imperialism, no matter how shallow it is, and would not likely use it as a means to aquire land or start a war.

[RadioRaheem84]

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/01/11/iranian-nuclear-scientist-killed-in-car-bomb-attack/



In November, the Guardian reported (http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/11/04/iranian-nuclear-issue-us-chooses-threats-and-aggression-over-simple-solution-to-peace/) unequivocally unequivocally that U.S.-Israeli “black operations” have “targeted Iran’s scientists.” And in August, the German paper Der Spiegel leaked an admission (http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/08/03/israeli-agent-admits-to-terrorist-acts-against-iran/) from an Israeli intelligence official Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, had been involved in the assassinations.
Speaking to the latest of such killings at the time, Der Spiegel wrote “There is little doubt in the shadowy world of intelligence agencies that Israel is behind the assassination of Darioush Rezaei.” The Israeli intelligence official told the reporter, “That was the first serious action taken by the new Mossad chief Tamir Pardo.”
In a closed-door parliamentary meeting on Tuesday, Israel’s military chief of staff Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz said Iran should expect “continuing and growing pressure from the international community and things which take place in an unnatural manner.” This was widely interpreted as referring to covert acts of sabotage and violence in Iran.

[Renegade Saint]

Iran is trying to aquire a nuke in order to use it as a detterent against the invading West.


This post (and a few others) are playing into the US/NATO/Arab monarchies narrative that Iran is in fact actively developing nuclear weapons. This is far from established fact. Even though politicans talk about it as fact the US intelligence community won't definitively say.
James Clapper said to a senate committee in March:
"We continue to assess [that] Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons."

[Decolonize The Left]

This post (and a few others) are playing into the US/NATO/Arab monarchies narrative that Iran is in fact actively developing nuclear weapons. This is far from established fact. Even though politicans talk about it as fact the US intelligence community won't definitively say.
James Clapper said to a senate committee in March:
"We continue to assess [that] Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons."

Iran may not be actively developing nuclear weapons, but it would make a lot of sense for them to do so. In fact, given the lay of the land and the power relations currently in play, it would be the best bet for the Iran government. Israel has nukes. The US has nukes. Syria is crumbling into civil war and they were one of Iran's biggest supporters. Iran is under UN/US economic sanctions which are beginning to take an internal toll on the population.

Developing nuclear capabilities is a very real deterrent against the ambition of the US/Israel. I see no reason to downplay this reality in favor of dismissal.

- August

[Comrade Samuel]

Hmmm...US is the most obvious culprit I suppose...but if this were an episode of House it would be a really obscure country after several more obvious ones had been disproved...so...Switzerland?

No Forman that impossible your an idioooo...... ...finland...

[Renegade Saint]

Iran may not be actively developing nuclear weapons, but it would make a lot of sense for them to do so. In fact, given the lay of the land and the power relations currently in play, it would be the best bet for the Iran government. Israel has nukes. The US has nukes. Syria is crumbling into civil war and they were one of Iran's biggest supporters. Iran is under UN/US economic sanctions which are beginning to take an internal toll on the population.

Developing nuclear capabilities is a very real deterrent against the ambition of the US/Israel. I see no reason to downplay this reality in favor of dismissal.

- August
False dichotomy. I'm not dismissing it. I'm saying we don't know. Arguing as if we know one way or another is to base our arguments on false assumption.

[Krano]

No Forman that impossible your an idioooo...... ...finland...
The most nationalist/racist country on earth working with Israel? doubt it Comrade.

[Comrade Samuel]

The most nationalist/racist country on earth working with Israel? doubt it Comrade.

I was only exstending a joke, I imagine it was America things have escalated so much between the U.S and Iran recently I wouldn't be surprised if there's an armed conflict in the next 5 years especially with all the talk from republican candidates "being happy about dead iranians" and "going to war if they develop a newclear weapon".

[CommieTroll]

Hmmm...US is the most obvious culprit I suppose...but if this were an episode of House it would be a really obscure country after several more obvious ones had been disproved...so...Switzerland?

No, it was the godless infidels of Papua New Guinea, may Allah claim there hedonistic lives with a million chariots of flaming justice!
Just Kidding...

[RadioRaheem84]

This post (and a few others) are playing into the US/NATO/Arab monarchies narrative that Iran is in fact actively developing nuclear weapons.

This is true. I shouldn't be so quick to believe they're building a nuclear weapon but at the same time, with things crumbling around them, they just might be pursuing such a thing.

[danyboy27]

Getting the bomb would be kind of weird, especially if you take in consideration that the ayatollah have said time and time again that having such weapon would be ''unislamic''.

IF the iranian governement really want to build one, they will proudly announce that having the bomb is not ''unislamic'' anymore, get to work and then build one. Constructing a bomb in secret and then announcing it would make them look like idiots and their islamic credential would take a huge hit.

[danyboy27]

anyway, if the Iranian governement want to fuck shit up they could do it without any bombs anyway. it wouldnt take much effort to mess with the world oil supply, blow up a derrick and a pipeline here and there.

[~Spectre]

What they want is nuclear latency. The ability to quickly build a bomb if they face an existential threat.