Another Iranian Scientist Just Assassinated

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577153980963513686.html

[Zealot]

The Iranian leadership has a lot of patience letting shit like this go on and I can only imagine what would happen if the same attacks were successfully carried out in the US.

[Red Fist]

Mabey its the iranian goverment that kills its own scientists and blame other countrys for their death as a propoganda. You can never say if the scientists knew too much information about their projects and needed to be eleminated after their work is done. More less people know, more bigger secret. The Iranian goverment use the same methods as the Cosa Nostra.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Mabey its the iranian goverment that kills its own scientists and blame other countrys for their death as a propoganda. You can never say if the scientists knew too much information about their projects and needed to be eleminated after their work is done. More less people know, more bigger secret. The Iranian goverment use the same methods as the Cosa Nostra.

:huh::confused::lol::laugh:
Thank you, that was funny.

[Seth]

That's absurd. I mean, we can sit here and speculate that Iran just randomly kills off its valuable assets to raise tensions with the US to get invaded and deposed, or we can do the sensible thing and assume someone else is killing them.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Iran cant take a war, and by no means is a war just. I doubt Iran is looking for a fight either.

I highly doubt Russia China or Venezuela would just go head on into a fight with the US in defense of Iran.

[Renegade Saint]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577153980963513686.html
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LOL no thanks WSJ.

[Red Fist]

That's absurd. I mean, we can sit here and speculate that Iran just randomly kills off its valuable assets to raise tensions with the US to get invaded and deposed, or we can do the sensible thing and assume someone else is killing them.

When religious fundamentalists leads a goverment, they dont care if the hole country is burned down tomorrow, because that is gods will, and his will shall be done. I dont even think that the US want to indvade iran. Mabey some seabattles at the strait of hormuz. Then the US get 100 % control of the Strait and then Iran needs to bring a new card for the table. The goverment of irans biggest threat is its own people wich I think is what the US expect and want to act on. Before any of the arab revolutions begun, the people of iran had already reached the limit of an incipient revolution, and before that they made some student revolts and general strikes. The iranian goverment have a good reason to confront with other countrys and raise the tensions. Because they want to increase the patroism in the iranian people and their loyality. In time the EU gets its oil from iran again somehow. The capitalist global market buisness must go on. And why wouldn't they kill their own valuable scientists, when they are executeing their own people everyday because they dont belive in god or for reading a forbidden book?. This goverment is the same that said, iran shall make chaos in the world so they can obtain doomsday. If they are crazy enough to say this in public then imagine how crazy they can be behind the Scenes.

[Seth]

When religious fundamentalists leads a goverment, they dont care if the hole country is burned down tomorrow, because that is gods will, and his will shall be done. I dont even think that the US want to indvade iran. Mabey some seabattles at the strait of hormuz. Then the US get 100 % control of the Strait and then Iran needs to bring a new card for the table. The goverment of irans biggest threat is its own people wich I think is what the US expect and want to act on. Before any of the arab revolutions begun, the people of iran had already reached the limit of an incipient revolution, and before that they made some student revolts and general strikes. The iranian goverment have a good reason to confront with other countrys and raise the tensions. Because they want to increase the patroism in the iranian people and their loyality. In time the EU gets its oil from iran again somehow. The capitalist global market buisness must go on. And why wouldn't they kill their own valuable scientists, when they are executeing their own people everyday because they dont belive in god or for reading a forbidden book?. This goverment is the same that said, iran shall make chaos in the world so they can obtain doomsday. If they are crazy enough to say this in public then imagine how crazy they can be behind the Scenes.

Ok keep living in your quasi-orientalist view of Iran. The rest of us would like to consider states as entities that act in the interests of their ruling classes.

[Red Fist]

Ok keep living in your quasi-orientalist view of Iran. The rest of us would like to consider states as entities that act in the interests of their ruling classes.

Me myself is an Iranian refugee, and I have seen things that your mind never could consider. There two types of people in iran, the ones who are manipulated to do a duty for islam, and the others who still are iranians. The rulling class of iran are the mullahs, all acts of iran are in the interests of them, and yes they are fundamentalists and dosent care about the people or the country. You havent read one book of these mullahs, and if you do then you will understand me.

[manic expression]

There two types of people in iran, the ones who are manipulated to do a duty for islam, and the others who still are iranians.
Trying to divide the Iranian people between "real Iranians" and Muslims won't get you very far.

And that aside, I would think that "real Iranians" would care about US/Israeli imperialism murdering Iranian citizens in broad daylight.

[Red Fist]

Trying to divide the Iranian people between "real Iranians" and Muslims won't get you very far.

And that aside, I would think that "real Iranians" would care about US/Israeli imperialism murdering Iranian citizens in broad daylight.

I didnt divide the iranian people between real iranians and muslims, but between real iranians and the manipulated. The Iranian people haved been muslims in centurys, before, under and after the iranian monarki. Thats not the point. As I wrote the goverment is useing islam as a moral strategy to keep its influence in the region and to keep control over its people. And yes you have absolutly right, the real iranians would care if US/israeli imperialism is mudering iranian citizens, and thats the whole point of moveing the heat on a forgin country instead of letting the people ask questions and discuss the government's acts or be against it, because as a iranian you got bigger problems now, than your own goverment.

[manic expression]

Most people are manipulated by something...doesn't make their wish not to be attacked by imperialism invalid.

[piet11111]

When religious fundamentalists leads a goverment, they dont care if the hole country is burned down tomorrow, because that is gods will, and his will shall be done. I dont even think that the US want to indvade iran. Mabey some seabattles at the strait of hormuz. Then the US get 100 % control of the Strait and then Iran needs to bring a new card for the table. The goverment of irans biggest threat is its own people wich I think is what the US expect and want to act on. Before any of the arab revolutions begun, the people of iran had already reached the limit of an incipient revolution, and before that they made some student revolts and general strikes. The iranian goverment have a good reason to confront with other countrys and raise the tensions. Because they want to increase the patroism in the iranian people and their loyality. In time the EU gets its oil from iran again somehow. The capitalist global market buisness must go on. And why wouldn't they kill their own valuable scientists, when they are executeing their own people everyday because they dont belive in god or for reading a forbidden book?. This goverment is the same that said, iran shall make chaos in the world so they can obtain doomsday. If they are crazy enough to say this in public then imagine how crazy they can be behind the Scenes.


I believe the mullahs are not that religious and much prefer to stay alive and enjoy the wealth and power they have.
Killing "heretics" gives them credibility as "guardians of the faith" while killing scientists would severely harm their nuclear ambitions and as such those are not to be touched.

I am an atheist but even i would say that they pervert Islam (but so does every middle eastern government that claims to be Islamic)

[blake 3:17]

The Iranian government has blamed the US and Israel for the murders, mostly Israel, and the Israelis themselves are doing little to deflect that blame. While the White House and US state department denounced the killing, the Israeli military spokesman, Brigadier General Yoav Mordechai, remarked on Facebook: "I don't know who took revenge on the Iranian scientist, but I am definitely not shedding a tear."

Israel certainly has a track record of assassinations, from the Palestinian perpetrators of the Munich Olympic attack of 1972, to the killing of senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in a Dubai hotel room in early 2010. This week, Le Figaro reported that Mossad had been recruiting Iranian dissidents in the Kurdish region of neighbouring Iraq, to conduct operations in Iran.

"If you look at the choice of target it really could only be Israel," says Robert Baer, a former CIA agent in the Middle East, currently working on a book on assassination called The Perfect Kill. "If it was an internal group, like the MeK ([Mujahedin-e-Khalq] it would be security official or policeman who had been torturing their guys. If you look at the motivation, it must be Israel."

However, Baer adds that it is quite likely that Israel is acting in tandem with an Iranian dissident organisation. "To do this in the middle of the day, with a limpet charge and then getaway, you need a lot of people on the ground," he says. " You need an extensive network of the kind only someone like MeK can provide."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/12/iran-nuclear-scientists-attacks

[eyeheartlenin]

Sunday Times: Iranian scientist was killed by the Mossad

http://tiny.cc/a3g5w

From the story at haaretz.com:

... According to the Sunday Times, Roshan, 32, was monitored from a makeshift control room in a safe house nearby as he was preparing to leave for work. Israeli agents were also watching the entrance to Iranian intelligence headquarters in the city center, when they noticed a number of cars and people running, followed by police rushing into the nearby streets. Another agent monitoring radio traffic between the Tehran police and security forces confirmed unusual activity, said the paper.

The report states that as Roshan’s bodyguard was driving him to Natanz uranium enrichment site, where he served as director, a masked person on a motorbike weaved through traffic, planting a bomb on the car shaped to deliver its full force at the passenger....

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Another Iranian Scientist, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, has been assassinated in Iran by a car bomb. This is the fifth Iranian scientist targeted by assassins working in Iran in two years. Four attacks succeeded. This is a deadly escalation of the covert criminal activities conducted by the U.S., Israel and their terrorists and domestic spies in Iran against the government and people of Iran.

While Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has denied any U.S. involvement, the important and undeniable truth is that the governments of the U.S. and Israel have openly declared Iran as an enemy and have publicly stated that they will use all means necessary, not excluding military attack, to change the Iranian government using Iran’s efforts to produce nuclear energy as an excuse.

The assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists is an effort to create fear in the Iranian people, opposition to their own government and monopolize nuclear research and development of nuclear power. The aim is to stop Iran’s drive for industrial and technological independence on which the independence of Iran and the freedom of its people depends.

Those who forget the past are condemned to its repetition. Do we remember the Shah, who ruled Iran for 25 years on behalf of the U.S., had a huge nuclear energy program intended to replace depleted fossil fuels? Do we realize his billions of dollars of arms purchased from the U.S. with wealth of the Iranian people helped fund U.S arms research, development and production that now threaten Iran?

In the decades since the Shah fled, sanctions, sabotage and threats have escalated into dangerous new decisions to send a U.S. nuclear aircraft carrier, destroyers and nuclear submarines into the Persian Gulf and impose harsher sanctions on trade, and an oil embargo. All of these threats are threats against peace and violations of international law.

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[Threetune]

Mabey its the iranian goverment that kills its own scientists and blame other countrys for their death as a propoganda. You can never say if the scientists knew too much information about their projects and needed to be eleminated after their work is done. More less people know, more bigger secret. The Iranian goverment use the same methods as the Cosa Nostra.

As a communist from Iran, you will correctly want to organise the downfall of the existing theocratic establishment in Iran. You may also wish to take advantage of the divisions within government circles between the Ahmadinejad types and the ayatollahs.

Whatever opportunist nationalist religious sentiments of the Iranian government circles, the Iranian working class will gain nothing from imperialist sanctions provocations and war against Iran. Imperialism is intent on escalating war in the region regardless of the type of government in Iran.

It would be instructive to have your views on the role and policy of communists in Iran in relation to the sanctions and the war threats.

[blake 3:17]

Whatever opportunist nationalist religious sentiments of the Iranian government circles, the Iranian working class will gain nothing from imperialist sanctions provocations and war against Iran. Imperialism is intent on escalating war in the region regardless of the type of government in Iran.

Absolutely. They want to bomb the country to pieces because it shows they are Awesome Tough Dudes. I think it more likely that an Obama/Clinton administration would try to do it, but who knows? The Canadian government would love to beat Iran to nothingness. In the last few years we've become Israel's BFF.

This just via Haaretz -- If people don't know Haaretz it's the liberal left Israeli paper. A lot of people on here reference it. It has high journalistic standards. Anyways:


Iran says information gathered by UN may have played part in scientist killing

Iran, at odds with Western governments over its nuclear program, has accuses U.S. and Israeli agents of being behind the killing.

By Reuters
Tags: Iran Mossad UN IAEA UN Security Council Iran nuclear
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Iran charged on Thursday that assassins who killed an Iranian nuclear scientist in Tehran last week may have used information obtained from the United Nations.

Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan, 32, was killed by a motorbike hitman who put a magnetic bomb on his car on a street during the morning rush hour on Jan. 11. Iran, at odds with Western governments over its nuclear program, has accused U.S. and Israeli agents of being behind the killing.

Iran's deputy UN ambassador Eshagh Al Habib said there was a "high suspicion that ... terrorist circles used the intelligence obtained from United Nations bodies, including the sanctions list of the Security Council and interviews carried out by IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) with our nuclear scientists, to identify and carry out their malicious acts."

Ahmadi-Roshan recently met with IAEA inspectors, Al Habib told the Security Council, "a fact that indicates that these UN agencies may have played a role in leaking information on Iran's nuclear facilities and scientist."

He also accused the world body of failing to observe secrecy over its inspections of nuclear facilities.

UN spokesman Martin Nesirky said he was looking into the allegations. The Vienna-based IAEA is the UN nuclear watchdog and has played a key role in trying to determine whether Tehran's atomic program has military dimensions.

The murder of Ahmadi-Roshan was the fifth daylight attack in two years on technical experts involved in Iran's nuclear program, which Western countries believe is aimed at producing an atomic weapon but Tehran says is for peaceful purposes.

The United States has denied involvement in the killing and has condemned it, as has UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. An Israeli minister also said this week that Iran's charges of Israeli involvement were "completely baseless."

The Security Council has imposed four rounds of sanctions on Iran over its nuclear activities. Its list of sanctioned individuals does not include Ahmadi-Roshan, but does name another scientist, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, wounded in a Tehran car bomb blast in November, 2010.

Al Habib, addressing a Security Council debate on justice and the rule of law, said it was "odd" that the council had said nothing about attacks on Iranian scientists. "Is it the way to advance the rule of law at the international level?" he asked.