i want to be like che

[''electra'']

I wish i could do sth as great for the humanity as che did.My life seems so meaningless...it's driving me crazy that injustice,misery and pain are everywhere and there is nothing i can do to change all that!iI just sit by and watch all these awful things happening.I watch all these depraved people to act like they are the lords of the universe only because they have power&money and poor people to be their everlasting victims.The world we live in disgusts me!It's sick!And to be honest i don't think things will ever be much different no matter how many years shall pass.But i would gladly sacrifice my life to help a person or even better a nation.Only a glorious death can justify my revolutionary soul...

[Al Creed]

What stops you?

A professor told me today that our generation (herself included, shes only 30) are the least-resistant generation ever. Yet, the Right Wing calls us an "Angry," and "Hateful" generation. The Corporations and the right-wing politicians lull the world into a flase sense of security, and it is your duty as a free-thinking revolutionary, to break the silence, no matter how bleak the world may seem.

We can fight back, and resist. A little goes a long way, my friend.

I resist the best way I know how: I use comedy to show the world the evils of the world.

Not all resisitance is violent. Some can be funny. Just look at South Park.

[nezvanova]

electra, I totally know what you mean. I feel the same way, and I find it upsets me a lot, but i always remind myself that change will take time. I'm still very young (only 15) and I have a lot of time to consider my options, and find a way to be truly revolutionary. Don't worry, you'll find a way.

[Ortega]

i feel like that all the time... i wish i could be more like el Che. but his life was one of great sacrifice and hardship. it would take great courage and self-discipline to be anything like el Che.... none of this i have yet, but, like nezvanova said, i still have plenty of time.

-Comrade_Zapata

[suffianr]

Only a glorious death can justify my revolutionary soul..

Revolution is about a lot more than dying gloriously.

If it takes something that desperate to justify your sense of purpose in life, then I'd advise you to seriously reconsider your beliefs. :)

See, this is where a lot pf people needlessly romanticise the revolution. Of course, dying for a belief is often seen as the height of one's sacrifice, but there are a lot of things that need to be done before that. And a lot more that can be accomplished by staying alive.

I doubt Che intended to die in Bolivia, although he understood that being a freedom fighter included such eventualities.

But if it's cult status that you're after, then by all means electra...

[SonofRage]

*sigh* silly children with their Che worship

[Hampton]

*sigh* silly not adding anything to the topic except being an obnoxious asshole

[nezvanova]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 04:55 AM
*sigh* silly children with their Che worship
there's no need to be so condescending. There's nothing wrong with having aspirations. And if we're going to worship anyone, it may as well be Che.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 11:04 PM
*sigh* silly not adding anything to the topic except being an obnoxious asshole
It would be difficult to not add to something with no value.



there's no need to be so condescending. There's nothing wrong with having aspirations. And if we're going to worship anyone, it may as well be Che.

I'm just sick of seeing all these threads like "What was Che's favorite sport?" or "What kind of music did Che like?" treating him like some kind of popstar or teen idol. He wasn't a god, he was just a man with flaws just like the rest of us and in all honesty he probably gets more attention than he deserves.

I say, don't try and be the next Che, try and be the first you.

[Saint-Just]

You have a good attitude "electra". Unfortunately there are few of us, particularly in the western world so there is little we can do, at least for now. We all want to be like Che, kill capitalists and liberate people and so it is a difficult world to live in when we cannot do so.

[Fidelbrand]

most people in this forum feels this way............ thats why we are here.

I support u , Electra. :)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 04:55 AM
*sigh* silly children with their Che worship
I can think of worse role models.

And not all of them nazis or fascists *CoughLeninStalinTrotskyCough*

[Melissa]

I feel the same way as you electra all the time, I´m still young (14) and I believe that we can make changes through just telling people what we feel. Many won´t care, but there will be some who will consider your words and they are the ones to who you can show the right direction. Not everything is so hopeless and we aren´t that helpless. You see, you don´t have to be famous to make a change, you can do it through educating people, sharing your ideas. Even changing the view of couple of people is better than nothing. Hold on to your beliefs and you shall suceed.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 04:35 AM
I'm just sick of seeing all these threads like "What was Che's favorite sport?" or "What kind of music did Che like?" treating him like some kind of popstar or teen idol. He wasn't a god, he was just a man with flaws just like the rest of us and in all honesty he probably gets more attention than he deserves.

I say, don't try and be the next Che, try and be the first you.
it is important to be you... but che is an amazing role model. fidel himself said after ches death:

"If we wish to express what we expect our revolutionary combatants, our militants, our people to be, we must say, without hesitation: let them be like Che! If we wish to express what we want the people of future generations to be, we must say: let them be like Che! If we wish to say how we want our children to be educated, we must say without hesitation: we want them to be educated in Che’s spirit! If we want the model of a person, the model of a human being who does not belong to our time but to the future, I say from the depths of my heart that such a model, without a single stain on his conduct, without a single stain on his action, without a single stain on his behavior, is Che! If we wish to express what we want our children to be, we must say from our very hearts as ardent revolutionaries: we want them to be like Che!"

che is someone that we should all aspire to be more like. the little details of ches life are important - his life was majorly influenced by sports, and the music question was just a question - music can be a great influence as well.
sonofrage - just because you dont believe in role models, dont crush those who do. che is a great role model for most of us at che-lives, which is why were here.

-Comrade_Zapata

[''electra'']

I would like to clarify sth cauz there might be some misunderstanding about what i wrote.When i said i want to be like che i didn't mean i want to make exactly the same choices that he did&follow every step of his life.I know he wasn't perfect but we have to keep in mind that even great men make mistakes&that simply shows us that they are human beings&not gods.And that's the magie of it !To be born human with weaknesses&faults&to die as a true hero ,sacrificing your body to immortilize your spirit.Che's fight to create a better society,a society in which everyone would be equal ,is what's important!That gave ''inspiration'' to the next generations.By saying i want to have a glorious death i didn't mean to say that you only become a revolutionary by dying gloriously.There's much you can do by having a glorious life ,which will be a constant fight against every form of injustice.But do you think Che would ever become what he is today the symbol of freedom &independence if he hadn't die this way?No!It was his death that came to complete his whole deed.And it wasn't only him that was a hero.All soldiers who die every day in this battle called ''life'',defending their rights&values are true heroes&martyrs.And that's what i desire about my shelf too.When the time comes.But ,hey ,let not all of us die!Some got stay alive to fight imperialism, to fight for a better world!I know each everyone of you gives his own battle every day which might be small but it's important.''Thank you'' everyone for writing your opinion.And to the ones that feel the same way with me &support me....you're my blood,i love you. VENCERAMOS! P.S. I'd like to be in England right now to take part in the demonstration vs.Bush.Is anyone of you going?

[nezvanova]

Originally posted by ''electra''@Nov 20 2003, 02:34 PM
...Che's fight to create a better society,a society in which everyone would be equal ,is what's important!That gave ''inspiration'' to the next generations...

P.S. I'd like to be in England right now to take part in the demonstration vs.Bush.Is anyone of you going?
"Our every action is a battle cry against imperialism, and a battle hymn for the people's unity against the great enemy of mankind: the United States of America. Wherever death may surprise us, let it be welcome, provided that this, our battle cry, may have reached some receptive ear, that another hand may be extended to wield our weapons, and that other men be ready to intone our funeral dirge with the staccato singing of the machine guns and new battle cries of war and victory."
-Che

Pretty poetic, but it sums up what you were saying before. We don't want to be Che, we just want to fight for a cause, like he did. :)

Re: P.S.

lol I would if I could, but i'm stuck here in B.C. at the moment, and I don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting htere anytime soon...oh well, I'll just stage a protest from home, yelling at the T.V. and cheering at the protester... lousy small, non-political town never gives a kid anything to protest...I guess i'll just keep on protesting the sale of B.C. rail, that should keep me occupied for the moment...

[redstar2000]

I think that it's pretty unlikely that Che himself saw his life as "glorious" or "inspirational"...just a lot of hard work.

I don't think he went to Bolivia "intending" to die a "glorious" death. It seems to me that he went there "with a task to perform"...that he intended to perform it to the best of his ability.

I think he thought his forces would win in Bolivia.

If you spend your life fighting for revolution, no one will "know" it was "glorious" until after you're dead.

It's what you actually do while you're alive that gives meaning to your life...not how you happen to die.

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A site about communist ideas

[toastedmonkey]

Couldnt of put it better myself redstar2000

He isnt remembered because he was killed by the CIA is he?

[dannie]

i think ché can give me reason to go in at tough times, when i see or read about his spirit, his believes, his determination to achieve things, ... i just get strenght to go on

i do see ché as a rolemodel but i don't worship him, ché made me the person i am now, not directly but if it wasn't for him i would have still been some cappie reformist guy

[Bolshevika]

Che was a very good and admirable communist. He gave his life to spread the revolution and inspire oppressed peoples across the globe to revolt. Che and me hold almost the exact same ideas. Che is a martyr who died in the name of Marx and Lenin. Long live his spirit.

[Jesus Sanchez]

If you think your life is meaningless, your at a certain age and really want to do something, learn Spanish then go over to Latin America and join a revolutionary group.