Separation of Staff and Students in School bathrooms

[Dogs On Acid]

It annoys me how Students and Teachers are separated in Schools. Both are from the Working Class and work together so closely, they work in mutual aid and even develop good relationships at the personal level, relationships of friendship that are suppressed many times by LAW.

One small thing that I have never seen brought up is this:

Shouldn't Staff and Students use the same bathrooms?

[VirgJans12]

I think this is a looking at things a little too seriously. As a future teacher, I'm glad I'll be able to enter a separate bathroom, because some teenagers will do disgusting things in there like masturbation and leaving shit on the toilet seat. But I could live with sharing the same bathroom. Really, this isn't something worth discussing over. I think separate break rooms divide them more than separate bathrooms. Eating together creates a much stronger bond than crapping together.

[Dogs On Acid]

I think this is a looking at things a little too seriously. As a future teacher, I'm glad I'll be able to enter a separate bathroom, because some teenagers will do disgusting things in there like masturbation and leaving shit on the toilet seat. But I could live with sharing the same bathroom. Really, this isn't something worth discussing over. I think separate break rooms divide them more than separate bathrooms. Eating together creates a much stronger bond than crapping together.

I doubt they would masturbate and shit on the toiled seat WITH TEACHERS IN THERE. That would be dancing with the devil :rolleyes:

[VirgJans12]

I doubt they would masturbate and shit on the toiled seat WITH TEACHERS IN THERE. That would be dancing with the devil :rolleyes:

I usually close the door when I crap so no one can see... nor would teachers be able to. And masturbation can be done in complete silence, as most kids probably do so mom and dad won't hear. :p

[Dogs On Acid]

I usually close the door when I crap so no one can see... nor would teachers be able to. And masturbation can be done in complete silence, as most kids probably do so mom and dad won't hear. :p

Meh, nothing wrong with spanking the monkey.

Still, teachers are held as an elite in the school towards students, from their own break-time rooms with TV and Coffee Machines, their own bathrooms and best of all, THEIR OWN CAFETERIA LINES. Wait in line like everyone else. It's BS.

Now, I'm not saying teachers shouldn't have a TV or a coffee machine, but then so should students.

[Pretty Flaco]

I doubt they would masturbate and shit on the toiled seat WITH TEACHERS IN THERE. That would be dancing with the devil :rolleyes:

At American schools it's a bit different. I've seen a kid jacking off in a classroom. Honestly, some kids couldn't give a fuck if there's a teacher there to catch them because they don't give a fuck about getting in trouble. I mean, what's getting suspended from school to me? Nothing less than a free holiday. :rolleyes:

[Dogs On Acid]

At American schools it's a bit different. I've seen a kid jacking off in a classroom. Honestly, some kids couldn't give a fuck if there's a teacher there to catch them because they don't give a fuck about getting in trouble. I mean, what's getting suspended from school to me? Nothing less than a free holiday. :rolleyes:

That's why forcing kids to attend class is so wrong. If they don't want to be there, to learn and pay attention, then why make them go?

And the problem is they distract students that WANT to pay attention.

It's not their fault, it's the fucking law.

[Pretty Flaco]

That's why forcing kids to attend class is so wrong. If they don't want to be there, to learn and pay attention, then why make them go?

And the problem is they distract students that WANT to pay attention.

It's not their fault, it's the fucking law.

If kids don't legally have to go to school there'd be even worse problems. I'm not saying the education system is perfect, but I am saying that it's better than nothing at all.

And the kid can leave. He can drop out and he can get a GED later if he wants. My older brother did that and he completely regretted it.

[Coggeh]

I think this is a looking at things a little too seriously. As a future teacher, I'm glad I'll be able to enter a separate bathroom, because some teenagers will do disgusting things in there like masturbation and leaving shit on the toilet seat. But I could live with sharing the same bathroom. Really, this isn't something worth discussing over. I think separate break rooms divide them more than separate bathrooms. Eating together creates a much stronger bond than crapping together.
I agree. Also you have the issues of sexual abuse, a student could easily accuse a teacher they really dislike of abusing them in the toilets (toilets don't have cameras after all) it raises way to many problems and provides very very little productive value really, they should remain "segregated"

[Rafiq]

who gives a shit. We aren't exactly in a postmodern position to be discussing issues like this. This isn't like the 90's or the early 2000's where all the Left cared about were tiny little issues like "Should bestiality be accepted" and so on. We actually have a chance of becoming big again, so let's not fuck it up and waste energy on topics like this. We should be worrying as to whether public schools are going to be existent in the near future.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

If kids don't legally have to go to school there'd be even worse problems. I'm not saying the education system is perfect, but I am saying that it's better than nothing at all.

By far the education system is worse for forcing youth to attend.You are implying that the small amount of education they receive there outweighs all the negatives: abuse (mental and psychical), harassment (about everything really), indoctrination, long hours, and so forth.

What are these "worse problems" you talk about? We already have scores of drug addicted,violent,and under-and un-educated young people thanks to our current mandatory attendance system; how could things possibly get worse?


And the kid can leave. He can drop out and he can get a GED later if he wants....when he is sixteen.I won't lie to you: I knew I wanted to drop out the moment I was forced to go to that hellhole for the first time.


My older brother did that and he completely regretted it....both me and my brother dropped out and we can honestly say that it was the best decision we ever made.For us the "social aspects" weren't anywhere near a facet of the structure which we missed.

[Fawkes]

As a future teacher, I'm glad I'll be able to enter a separate bathroom, because some teenagers will do disgusting things in there like masturbation and leaving shit on the toilet seat.

Go into a new york bathroom and tell me adults aren't doing the same thing.

[Shotgun Opera]

It annoys me how Students and Teachers are separated in Schools. Both are from the Working Class and work together so closely, they work in mutual aid and even develop good relationships at the personal level, relationships of friendship that are suppressed many times by LAW.

One small thing that I have never seen brought up is this:

Shouldn't Staff and Students use the same bathrooms?
Couple of points, but first some backstory. I've worked as a counselor with young kids (Kindergarten-6th grade) and adults with special needs so I'm directly familiar with dealing with bathroom issues from the "power" side of the fence.

First, yes in an ideal world, student and teachers should be able to mingle freely. However we live in an INCREDIBLY sexually paranoid society. As a male working with children, I was CONSTANTLY getting sideways glances and funny looks with whispered inquires behind my back if I was looking at any of the kids funny. Mind you this is AFTER being finger-printed and having a background check done. The amount of paranoia I ran into just trying to do my job meant I wouldnt have used the same bathrooms as the kids I worked with even if I had been allowed to just to avoid someone thinking the wrong thing because that is a label you cannot EVER escape from, regardless if it's justly been put on you or not.

Which brings me to my second point, in many places it's actually illegal for a teacher (or often any working adult) to share a bathroom with a student or child because of the paranoia that SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN! Or it's an over-reaction designed to be a preventative measure against the "Timmy touch me" games.

Basically, its a good idea but we are way too sexually paranoid in this society to allow it.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm pretty sure its to make sure that an awkward incident doesn't happen between teachers and students, which ends up in a lawsuit for the school or of course actual pedophilia. Besides I'm sure that most parents are happier knowing that their 9 yo is only sharing a bathroom with other 9 yo.

[Reuben]

This thread is hilarious. The reality is that a substantial minority of teenagers happen to be inadequately socialised, morally stunted denegerates. I wouldn't want be relying on them not to shit on the toilet seat.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

And the kid can leave. He can drop out and he can get a GED later if he wants. My older brother did that and he completely regretted it.
I dropped out and got a GED, but I can't say I've ever really regretted it.

[ProletariatPraetorian]

I think teachers have seperate bathrooms due to the fact that the vast majority of students are disgusting, inconsiderate slobs.

[Human Lefts]

If the teachers and students are given separate bathrooms, then the that would be one less thing differentiating them. There's no reason that they should be separate. If there are problems with people acting inappropriately, then handle that by attempting to reduce the behavior, not alienating all people that fall in the same category due to the behaviors of a few clowns.

The separation is a separate and not equal form of discrimination. It says, "The teacher is the authority and therefore gets better bathroom conditions. Once you graduate, you need to become the authority to get better bathroom conditions. Also, make sure you don't allow others into your high class bathrooms once you get there. If you don't get there, accept it like you did in school."

[TheGodlessUtopian]

In my middle school,as much as I can remember,the teachers used the bathroom the students used;because of this I remember very few instances of defilement.I believe the teachers used the restroom on lunch break and early in the morning (though it depended on the teacher) so that there would be fewer students.I guess they thought it was only fair they use the same restroom.

The high school was different;the teachers had their own restroom (I precisely remember one teacher saying,during a night school class,that a women should use the staff bathroom because the student one was "gross" Not sure what she meant,since the boys bathroom was rather well taken care of, but I suppose this is a interesting indicator of what might happen when the two have separate facilities).

[Hiero]

Still, teachers are held as an elite in the school towards students, from their own break-time rooms with TV and Coffee Machines, their own bathrooms and best of all, THEIR OWN CAFETERIA LINES. Wait in line like everyone else. It's BS.For the teachers the school is a workplace. These are certian things that teachers have fought for to become standard so they can in their breaks recuperate as much as possible to sustain some quality of teaching.

What you are advocating is making a shity workplace, you would effectively be reducing their conditions. The children are there to be students and learn, their workload is signficantly less than the teachers. The teachers are their for work, so they have these facilities so they can do their job correctly.

The other point raised is that it reduces the risk of allegation. If you have ever worked with children as a job, often you spend alot of time consciously avioding situations where an allegation can be made. Making common totals raises the risk of allegations.

And thirdly, are you talking about public schools? Most public schools, especially in America do not have the funding to give students access to rooms with TVs, coffee machines etc. in Australia some schools will have thoose rooms for year 11 and year 12 students. This is because they are more mature and have larger workloads.


...both me and my brother dropped out and we can honestly say that it was the best decision we ever made.For us the "social aspects" weren't anywhere near a facet of the structure which we missed. I don't know how old you are, but this is just your opinion. I have worked with youth who are deprived of education and their chances at attaining employment, use of services, health and other factors deteriorate by missing school at crucial times.

You're just one person, but working people acting as a collective have fought hard and long for quality education of their children. I am often amazed how ill informed "leftist" are so quick to throw away things we have spent generations fighting for. Also capitalist in the west would love large populations being allowed to aviod school, it would give more precedent for reducing wages and reintroducing sweatshop standards as Western countries would have a larger uneducated, unskilled and younger workforce.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I don't know how old you are, but this is just your opinion. I have worked with youth who are deprived of education and their chances at attaining employment, use of services, health and other factors deteriorate by missing school at crucial times.

You're just one person, but working people acting as a collective have fought hard and long for quality education of their children. I am often amazed how ill informed "leftist" are so quick to throw away things we have spent generations fighting for. Also capitalist in the west would love large populations being allowed to aviod school, it would give more precedent for reducing wages and reintroducing sweatshop standards as Western countries would have a larger uneducated, unskilled and younger workforce.

That is a massive leap of logic to make... not only that but which is why I entered night school; no one here is advocating that youth should quit school and not peruse careers.

[Hiero]

That is a massive leap of logic to make... not only that but which is why I entered night school; no one here is advocating that youth should quit school and not peruse careers.
Well you didn't say that you entered night school (not sure what you mean, teritiary education?) so I went with what you said.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Well you didn't say that you entered night school (not sure what you mean, teritiary education?) so I went with what you said.

I apologize for leaving it out (I thought I included it). Night school by which I mean the Adult Education program where a person earns their GED.

[Regicollis]

When I went to school in the 90's teachers and students had separated bathrooms and there was a huge difference.

Although the teacher's bathrooms were ugly (they were built in the "dark green and dark brown" period of interior design) they were nice, clean and warm.

The student's bathrooms were quite different. I grew up in a rural municipality whose conservative mayor took great pride in having one of the lowest tax rates in the country - and it showed. The student toilets were from the 50's and had probably not seen any maintainence since. Everything was old and run-down with stall doors not being able to be locked, toilet seats missing etc. They were built so that you had to go outside to enter them and since the door did not close properly they were cold as ice in the winter. The cleaning was completely inadequate.

I remember the difference between student's and teacher's bathrooms to be one of the things that struck me as a sign of the division between those in power and the rest of us.

In itself the difference between bathrooms is a minor one - and certainly not one that is worth to get worked up over - but it serves as a good example on how power structures work. It is the same mechanism that gives bosses private offices with nice furniture while the office workers get to sit in stressful open offices. In a democratic society there would be no such differences in luxuries. Students, teachers, management, workers etc. would all enjoy the same level of luxury.