Hey Right Wingers: Why does the Middle East "hate" America? [Archive]

Obs

7th January 2012, 03:00

Addressing Right Wingers and looking for a response from them on a Leftist forum.

Smooooth.
it's like i'm actually in a parallel universe where everyone is an insufferable stupid prick who doesn't know how internet forums work

Anyway, to get on topic: It really quite depends on where you position yourself on the materialist/idealist scale - one could argue that Arab Muslims often show disdain for the US based on their own cultural norms and understandings of how the US work. One could also argue that Arab Muslims often show disdain for the US based on getting the fuck blown out of their homes every two days.

I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle (leaning heavily to the side of the latter). In the culture that has established itself in the capitalist Middle East, one must take into consideration that this is a culture that has a set of norms that evidently clash with western norms (or, to stay on topic, norms that pervade the US, if any such exists) in regards to certain social policies. That said, this "clash of cultures" is really only relevant because it aids certain brands of anti-US rhetoric that have arisen due to the fact that the US bombs the shit out of everything moving on a stretch of sand.

CommieTroll

7th January 2012, 03:05

it's like i'm actually in a parallel universe where everyone is an insufferable stupid prick who doesn't know how internet forums work

Seriously, what the hell is your problem? You can't go around acting like a complete asshole by randomly verbally insulting people. Not cool bro

Ostrinski

7th January 2012, 03:13

Foreign policy. The rest is history.

freakazoid

7th January 2012, 05:50

Seriously, what the hell is your problem? You can't go around acting like a complete asshole by randomly verbally insulting people. Not cool bro

Makes a good point though.

The Young Pioneer

7th January 2012, 21:32

The problem with asking such a question here is that regardless of the fact that right wingers can post, the majority of the answers you get are going to come from the left. Those posting in opposing ideologies who do not identify themselves with the left are still somewhat more open minded than the majority of right wingers, and thus you probably won't get an idea of the consensus of the right on an issue by asking it here.

And, I enjoy life as an insufferable stupid prick!

Zealot

7th January 2012, 21:48

Answer:Because they hate our freedoms and [email protected]@[email protected]!

Real Answer: Imperialism.

I don't really agree with the "clash of cultures" theory although it may have a certain truth amounting to less than a grain of salt. To me this almost parallels the "they hate our freedoms" theory but I doubt Arabs in the middle east give two squirts of piss how Americans live. The rise of Islamic fundamentalism wasn't a stochastic accident but a result of the material conditions.

Red Noob

7th January 2012, 21:52

If a real right winger where to awnser it would

A: sugarcoat what I previosly said

B: ignore it entirely and continue to preach about Obama the anti-Christ.

Or C: Say it was a good thing because we liberated them from an evil regime (justifying the US getting involved in global affairs) while bashing the idea of nations working together and being unified.

La ComÃ©die Noire

7th January 2012, 22:00

Don't you know? They are jealous of our freedoms.

Rafiq

8th January 2012, 00:59

Because the U.S. has been fucking over attempted form of social progress in the Middle East since the 1950's. Poverty was a result, and with it lack of education. And without education, the Islamists were getting popular. Notice how all the Arab left leaders like George Habash were very educated.

Revolution starts with U

8th January 2012, 03:33

I don't know, we have a pretty good relationship with many mid-east governments. I've also heard reports that large swaths of people are not america haters, some are just american foreign policy haters, some are america lovers.

So the real question is; why are you generalizing millions upon millions of people? (Of course this question holds doubly important for right wingers who build hate upon their generalizations)

Prometeo liberado

8th January 2012, 05:40

Addressing Right Wingers and looking for a response from them on a Leftist forum.

Smooooth.

How about we tactfully go about this with constructive criticism rather than creating an atmosphere of self-censorship. The fear of being seen as stupid or not as "leftist-hip" as some only stifles the learning process.

Smoooooooother.:wub:

Klaatu

8th January 2012, 06:14

Tychus

8th January 2012, 08:42

"Hey Right Wingers: Why does the Middle East "hate" America?"

Want a Leftie's opinion?

Oil, and our desire to go to war over it. Also they feel as though we are trying to impose our decadent culture on them (they are right, we are)

The American Rightie Bigot hates Sharia Law. They think Muslims are trying to impose that in America. If those Righties could see the big picture, they could understand how Muslims feel about US trying to convert THEM with OUR OWN not-necessarily-pure ideals.

But don't hold your breath; USA Righties are just too thick-headed to see logic.

Just because the US is imposing itself on Muslim countries doesn't mean Muslims aren't trying to impose Sharia law and destroy the US from within like they have done to the last half-dozen countries they have invaded and conquered and set back hundreds of years with their barbaric, misogynistic, sick religion.

Klaatu

8th January 2012, 20:02

Just because the US is imposing itself on Muslim countries doesn't mean Muslims aren't trying to impose Sharia law and destroy the US from within like they have done to the last half-dozen countries they have invaded and conquered and set back hundreds of years with their barbaric, misogynistic, sick religion.

But that's what right wing-nuts think they are doing though.

Actually, most religions are "barbaric, misogynistic, or sick" to some degree. We can add "bigoted, self-centered, and phony" to the list too.
And speaking of "imposing on other countries," Christendom has no rival.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 00:03

But that's what right wing-nuts think they are doing though.

I am not a right wing-nut and I know that is exactly what they were and are still doing.

Actually, most religions are "barbaric, misogynistic, or sick" to some degree. We can add "bigoted, self-centered, and phony" to the list too.

They pale in comparison to the extremes and barbaric philosophies of Islam. Christendom has brought about mass-literacy, built and developed the modern world and the modern normative ethical theories. Islamic countries have done nothing except been aggressively change-resistant and forced every nation it attacked and invaded back into the dark ages. Spain, Israel, Bulgaria, Yuoglsavia, the list goes on.

Christian countries don't do THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMrn9ja5iU).

I have heard several members on here supporting the Taliban and the USA's defeat in the Afghanistan war, and yet you claim to be staunch proponents for women's rights. You fucking hypocrites are mental, seriously.

Red Noob

9th January 2012, 01:05

Christian countries don't do THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMrn9ja5iU).

What would you consider a Christian country?

Do you believe that Christianity is less oppressive than Islam?

Tychus

9th January 2012, 03:06

What would you consider a Christian country?

You know damn well.

Do you believe that Christianity is less oppressive than Islam?

Don't get me wrong, I despise Christianity too, but at least they don't fuck children and mistreat women in such a disgusting fashion like the Taliban does in Afghanistan.

The entire core ideology that Islam revolves around is controlling women.

Klaatu

9th January 2012, 04:30

"I am not a right wing-nut and I know that is exactly what they were and are still doing."I am not trying to label you as a wing-nut. (But are you one though?)

So just how are Muslims going to succeed in this imagined Sharia-Law coup d'état?

This whole Sharia-Law nonsense is a tempest in a teapot. Never happen here. Do yourself a favor and turn off Fox News.

"They pale in comparison to the extremes and barbaric philosophies of Islam. Christendom
has brought about mass-literacy, built and developed the modern world and the modern
normative ethical theories. Islamic countries have done nothing except been aggressively
change-resistant and forced every nation it attacked and invaded back into the dark ages.
Spain, Israel, Bulgaria, Yuoglsavia, the list goes on.

Christian countries don't do THIS."Research The Inquisition why don't you. Christians do THIS:

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/10862523843/the-8-most-painful-torture-devices-of-the-middle-ages

"I have heard several members on here supporting the Taliban and the USA's defeat in the Afghanistan war,
and yet you claim to be staunch proponents for women's rights. You fucking hypocrites are mental, seriously. I do not support The Taliban and I do not support U.S. WARS of aggression. In fact I do not support violence at all.

If anyone are hypocrites, it is USA right wing conservatives. I have never seen such general hypocrisy in all my life.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 06:24

So just how are Muslims going to succeed in this imagined Sharia-Law coup d'état?

Immigrate under false pretenses, fuck like rabbits in the hopes of becoming the new ethical majority and then claim the land now belongs to them because they are the majority. The same way they fucked over Israel, the same way they fucked over Kosovo, which the US by the way donated millions in welfare to feed and help them fuck like rats and break up former Yugoslavia in the subsequent masterminded shitstorm.

http://jpforestskydiver.blogspot.com/2011/11/can-muslims-be-good-americanscanadians.html

Destroying the country from within.

This whole Sharia-Law nonsense is a tempest in a teapot. Never happen here. Do yourself a favor and turn off Fox News.

Don't be fucking stupid, they have already tried and failed to establish Sharia law here in Canada. They wanted their very own separate jurisdiction and family law.

Research The Inquisition why don't you. Christians do THIS:

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/10862523843/the-8-most-painful-torture-devices-of-the-middle-ages

Middle ages? A millennium ago? Lmao, you have successfully proven that we have long-abandoned such barbaric practices, yet Muslim nations STILL PRACTICE IT. Thank you for proving my point.

I do not support The Taliban and I do not support U.S. WARS of aggression. In fact I do not support violence at all.

If anyone are hypocrites, it is USA right wing conservatives. I have never seen such general hypocrisy in all my life.

That we'll agree on. But lots of you on this site are no better. You side with just anyone in conflict with them and assume they share your touchy-feely, let's-all-be-comrades bullshit. They don't. They're interested only in forwarding their religion and their interests, not yours. In fact, they laugh every day at how pathetic and naive your equality-preaching liberal hippy philosophy is. They'll take advantage of it so you can't interfere with their organizations, and as soon as they gain enough traction they will gladly, in a heartbeat put an end to your secular lets-all-hold-hands establishment with their new Sharia law. God forbid should your women have rights anymore...

Zealot

9th January 2012, 11:31

Your Zionist politics are bourgeois as fuck. I'm wondering if you're not one of those trolls hired by the Israeli government. You're obviously not a leftist of any sort, hope you get restricted/banned.

Immigrate under false pretenses,

Immigrating because of imperialism isn't a false pretense.

fuck like rabbits in the hopes of becoming the new ethical majority and then claim the land now belongs to them because they are the majority. The same way they fucked over Israel, the same way they fucked over Kosovo, which the US by the way donated millions in welfare to feed and help them fuck like rats and break up former Yugoslavia in the subsequent masterminded shitstorm.

http://jpforestskydiver.blogspot.com/2011/11/can-muslims-be-good-americanscanadians.html

Destroying the country from within.

This is a Nazi lie, there is no conspiracy for muslims to "fuck like rabbits" and become the new majority. Again, your understanding of imperialism, materialism and capitalism is quite stunted. Most of them are quite happy in their own countries with their own family and their own culture but "something" which you don't understand is forcing them to find a better way of life.

Don't be fucking stupid, they have already tried and failed to establish Sharia law here in Canada. They wanted their very own separate jurisdiction and family law.

You realize these people are in a minority, right? And even the fundamentalists trying to do this aren't even calling for full sharia, only for minor things, which jewish communities have done also.

Middle ages? A millennium ago? Lmao, you have successfully proven that we have long-abandoned such barbaric practices, yet Muslim nations STILL PRACTICE IT. Thank you for proving my point.

Are you forgetting that fundamentalist christianity is still alive? Yup, and they're in a minority, just like fundamentalist muslims.

Ramble on all you want. The fact is every time these "barbaric muslim nations" tried to establish democracy guess what happened? The imperialists that you're in love with overthrew their governments. That's right.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 18:35

So I'm a Zionist AND a Nazi at the same time? LOL. That is awesome. A huge contradiction in just one short post. I can already tell you're not worth the time...

Your Zionist politics are bourgeois as fuck. I'm wondering if you're not one of those trolls hired by the Israeli government. You're obviously not a leftist of any sort, hope you get restricted/banned.

lololololol......

Immigrating because of imperialism isn't a false pretense.

No but running out of space, resources and a healthy gene pool because your cousins have already shat out 20 million new kids in just a decade is reason enough to wanna move out of that desert shithole and enjoy a first world country's high wages and shit out a couple dozen more there too in the name of forwarding your Muslim brotherhood.

This is a Nazi lie, there is no conspiracy for muslims to "fuck like rabbits" and become the new majority.

Yet that is EXACTLY what they did (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania), again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Bulgaria) and again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War). You obviously don't understand history nor Islam. Educated in the USA, no doubt.

Again, your understanding of imperialism, materialism and capitalism is quite stunted. Most of them are quite happy in their own countries with their own family and their own culture but "something" which you don't understand is forcing them to find a better way of life.

I'm sure they are quite happy fucking children, getting their way with any woman they want and having 4 wives with the option of a temporary wife as young as 9, the Islamic equivalent of what we call a "prostitute".

I very much doubt even the most stockholm syndrome afflicted and indoctrinated women there are happy with this way of life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMrn9ja5iU). Dumb fuck.

You realize these people are in a minority, right? And even the fundamentalists trying to do this aren't even calling for full sharia, only for minor things, which jewish communities have done also.

Because they know that radical move wouldn't be one in their best interest. They'll do it after they start to outnumber you, when you are less likely to do jack shit about it.

Are you forgetting that fundamentalist christianity is still alive? Yup, and they're in a minority, just like fundamentalist muslims.

No, I forgot the last Christian country that still practices this kind of sick shit legally and proudly. I do recall that many Muslim countries today still do it, however.

Ramble on all you want. The fact is every time these "barbaric muslim nations" tried to establish democracy guess what happened? The imperialists that you're in love with overthrew their governments. That's right.

Right so the democratic revolution in Iran in reaction to increasing women's rights was one of those attempts to establish a democracy? Your stupidity is hilarious.

Klaatu

9th January 2012, 19:25

Immigrate under false pretenses, fuck like rabbits in the hopes of becoming the new ethical majority and then claim the land now belongs to them because they are the majority. The same way they fucked over Israel, the same way they fucked over Kosovo, which the US by the way donated millions in welfare to feed and help them fuck like rats and break up former Yugoslavia in the subsequent masterminded shitstorm.

You have forgotten the fact that it was originally Israel that "fucked over" the Palestineans.

Turn off Fox News, for godsakes. :rolleyes:

Tychus

9th January 2012, 19:29

You have forgotten the fact that it was originally Israel that "fucked over" the Palestineans.

Turn off Fox News, for godsakes. :rolleyes:

Israelis were expelled from their own land by that scum. Karma's a real ugly *****.

I don't watch Faux News, well except to see little confused angry manchild Bill O'Reilly flip out. :p

Klaatu

9th January 2012, 19:31

Israelis were expelled from their own land by that scum.

When did this happen? :confused:

Ostrinski

9th January 2012, 19:33

Counting down until you get restricted.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 19:35

When did this happen? :confused:

Approximately 400 years ago. The Muslims invaded, expelled the native inhabitants and replaced them with their own, like usual. Read some history.

Klaatu

9th January 2012, 19:36

Here is a very important reason Iran does not like the West

1953 Iranian coup d'état
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Tychus

9th January 2012, 19:45

Here is a very important reason Iran does not like the West

1953 Iranian coup d'état
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Just because the US imperialists are scum doesn't mean Iran's regime isn't.

I wish you guys would cease your black and white thinking. Not every enemy of the US is your friend.

Ostrinski

9th January 2012, 19:48

Just because the US imperialists are scum doesn't mean Iran's regime isn't.

I wish you guys would cease your black and white thinking. Not every enemy of the US is your friend.When was it ever implied that they were our "friend?" All that was implied was that Iranians had legitimate reasons to hate the west. You're obviously a troll.

Che a chara

9th January 2012, 19:54

Tychus

9th January 2012, 20:00

Tychus, you are a disgusting, pathetic and bigoted troll.

Criticise the Islamic religion by all means, but at least be consistent and not blatantly biased towards Muslims and criticise similar aspects of other religions/religious morality like the Catholic Church's pogroms of brainwashing their flock to fuck and breed like rabbits by opposing contraception and non-procreative sexual acts (i.e masturbation etc.).

As for the OP, definitely US foreign policy and the ugly brand of American [so-called] exceptionalism which leaves many Americans apathetic to the sufferings in the Middle East carried out in their name under the false banner of freedom and democracy . I would also say cultural' differences and nationalism play a part in the "hate".

Pal, you know nothing about me. I have very vocally mocked the shit out of Christianity and other religions on other forums I've frequented. Islam just happens to be the most violent, barbaric and disgusting of all religions. I'm not sure it even counts as a religion to be honest, more like a cult. It's based on no standard ethical normative, just the schizoid bullshitting of some merchant who decided to make a few edits to the Bible.

So don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to all religions except Buddhism, as they are some of the most peaceful, tolerant and intelligent conformers I've seen.

When was it ever implied that they were our "friend?" All that was implied was that Iranians had legitimate reasons to hate the west. You're obviously a troll.

You specifically didn't say it, but I've heard many members here support the jihadists in different threads. If I find it i'll be the first to let you know.

Ostrinski

9th January 2012, 20:04

Pal, you know nothing about me. I have very vocally mocked the shit out of Christianity and other religions on other forums I've frequented. Islam just happens to be the most violent, barbaric and disgusting of all religions. I'm not sure it even counts as a religion to be honest, more like a cult. It's based on no standard ethical normative, just the schizoid bullshitting of some merchant who decided to make a few edits to the Bible.
You don't have any understanding of materialism if you're judging religions based on their individual programs and not their historical context.

So don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to all religions except Buddhism, as they are some of the most peaceful, tolerant and intelligent conformers I've seen.Really? Because bikkhus historically have been just as violent as any proponent of any other religion. You're an idiot.

Zealot

9th January 2012, 20:06

So I'm a Zionist AND a Nazi at the same time? LOL. That is awesome. A huge contradiction in just one short post. I can already tell you're not worth the time...

I didn't say you were a Nazi, I said you were repeating Nazi lies which conveniently fit with your Zionism.

No but running out of space, resources and a healthy gene pool because your cousins have already shat out 20 million new kids in just a decade is reason enough to wanna move out of that desert shithole and enjoy a first world country's high wages and shit out a couple dozen more there too in the name of forwarding your Muslim brotherhood.

Your sentences are essentially incoherent rambling fucking diatribes. Ask yourself why it's a shithole first.

Yet that is EXACTLY what they did (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania), again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Bulgaria) and again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War). You obviously don't understand history nor Islam. Educated in the USA, no doubt.

So you criticize another user for bringing up something from the "middle ages" and then talk about things that happened 100's of years ago? Except for the Kosovo war which I have no idea how it relates.

I'm sure they are quite happy fucking children, getting their way with any woman they want and having 4 wives with the option of a temporary wife as young as 9, the Islamic equivalent of what we call a "prostitute".

The fuck are you on about.

I very much doubt even the most stockholm syndrome afflicted and indoctrinated women there are happy with this way of life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMrn9ja5iU). Dumb fuck.

Yeah bring up the Taliban because it's a good example of imperialism at work. You realize they came into being after the US helped fundamentalists (http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/)overthrow the socialists right?

Because they know that radical move wouldn't be one in their best interest. They'll do it after they start to outnumber you, when you are less likely to do jack shit about it.

Cool conspiracy theory.

No, I forgot the last Christian country that still practices this kind of sick shit legally and proudly. I do recall that many Muslim countries today still do it, however.

You're hilarious. You still don't realize that religion played a minor role in the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. And if certain Christians had their way they would be acting the exact same way.

Right so the democratic revolution in Iran in reaction to increasing women's rights was one of those attempts to establish a democracy? Your stupidity is hilarious.

Are you forgetting they had a revolution before that one which was destroyed by CIA imperialists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax)? The so-called Islamic Revolution was simply a reaction to the authoritarian monarch who was placed there by the US after they had overthrown the previous mentioned government.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 20:45

I didn't say you were a Nazi, I said you were repeating Nazi lies which conveniently fit with your Zionism.

Uh... what? Nazi lies such as... denying the holocaust, or perhaps denying Israelis were expelled from their own country?:laugh:

Your sentences are essentially incoherent rambling fucking diatribes. Ask yourself why it's a shithole first.

Because it's an overpopulated desert with little scenery, food or resources besides oil where the people are hairy as apes and never shower, maybe?

So you criticize another user for bringing up something from the "middle ages" and then talk about things that happened 100's of years ago? Except for the Kosovo war which I have no idea how it relates.

Kosovo isn't the only one. You have no idea how it relates? Seriously?

Muslim Albanians were migrating to Kosovo, historically the native land of the Serbians, fucked like rats and overpopulated the land until it was a Muslim majority, then they started terrorizing Serbs and their families. When the Serbian government repressed their terrorist attacks, they whine about how "their land" is being attacked, just like how they whine about Israel being "their land" after kicking out the Jews 400 years ago.

Bulgaria and Spain were smart enough to exterminate every last atom of that fucking scum when they rebelled and retook their once-prosperous land after many centuries of occupation by Muslim hoardes.

Serbs were so fucking dumb that they didn't when they liberated themselves because of the very same "let's all be equals, comrades" bullshit they naively believed. Now they pay the price, and it serves them right.

Yeah bring up the Taliban because it's a good example of imperialism at work. You realize they came into being after the US helped fundamentalists (http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/)overthrow the socialists right?

You realize they hated Saddam for being such a dirty, secular socialist, right?

Cool conspiracy theory.

History is history, they did it in the past and are doing it as we speak.

You're hilarious. You still don't realize that religion played a minor role in the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. And if certain Christians had their way they would be acting the exact same way.

Last I checked, Islamic countries have always oppressed their women and have been generally racist, xenophobic, selfish, bigoted, grossly-inbred hicks, kind of like half the USA only far worse. The only few that stand out are Libya, Iraq and United Arab Emirates and other non-Muslim progressive Arabic countries I might've forgotten.

Are you forgetting they had a revolution before that one which was destroyed by CIA imperialists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax)? The so-called Islamic Revolution was simply a reaction to the authoritarian monarch who was placed there by the US after they had overthrown the previous mentioned government.

If that was all it was a reaction to, it would be legit. But no, it was a reaction to anything and everything "Western" that the Shah tried to enforce in Iran, such as women's rights.

Controlling the **** is always the long-term and primary vice of Islam, trust me.

Che a chara

9th January 2012, 20:49

Pal, you know nothing about me. I have very vocally mocked the shit out of Christianity and other religions on other forums I've frequented.

All I see is you singling out the Islamic faith and not others for having similar morality, IMO, to just have a dig at Islam. You have advocated nuking Iran based on their religious outlook but not other countries, despite other countries being more reactionary and responsible for a number of illegitimate wars, nuclear attacks, war crimes and global exploitation.

Now, why should just Iran, or other Muslim lands be legitimate targets and not others ? After all, if, as you conspired, the US was solely responsible for 9/11, why don't you have the same mindset of 'justice' and 'vengeance' against that country for ?

Islam just happens to be the most violent, barbaric and disgusting of all religions. I'm not sure it even counts as a religion to be honest, more like a cult. It's based on no standard ethical normative, just the schizoid bullshitting of some merchant who decided to make a few edits to the Bible.

So don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to all religions except Buddhism, as they are some of the most peaceful, tolerant and intelligent conformers I've seen.

Do you not believe that a lot of it is defensive, i.e. a reaction to policies of bombing Muslim lands into 'democracy', exploiting their oil, intimidating and threatening them to be obedient ? How many dictators have the US/West propped up in the Middle East ? Mubarak is the latest example, and now as a response, the Muslim Brotherhood look set to have a leading role in governing Egypt.

Ocean Seal

9th January 2012, 20:53

I am not a right wing-nut and I know that is exactly what they were and are still doing.
This is what you wrote.

They pale in comparison to the extremes and barbaric philosophies of Islam. Christendom has brought about mass-literacy, built and developed the modern world and the modern normative ethical theories. Islamic countries have done nothing except been aggressively change-resistant and forced every nation it attacked and invaded back into the dark ages. Spain, Israel, Bulgaria, Yuoglsavia, the list goes on.

Christian countries don't do THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emMrn9ja5iU).

I have heard several members on here supporting the Taliban and the USA's defeat in the Afghanistan war, and yet you claim to be staunch proponents for women's rights. You fucking hypocrites are mental, seriously.

Then you wrote this.

And then I think you should have written this.

I am a right wing-nut who is strongly Islamophobic and doesn't have the weakest understanding of material conditions or imperialism.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 21:00

All I see is you singling out the Islamic faith and not others for having similar morality, IMO, to just have a dig at Islam. You have advocated nuking Iran based on their religious outlook but not other countries, despite other countries being more reactionary and responsible for a number of illegitimate wars, nuclear attacks, war crimes and global exploitation.

Iran is developing nukes right now as we speak... to drop on Israel. I'm not saying they necessarily "should" be nuked, just that they will bring themselves to obliteration. We'll see what happens.

Now, why should just Iran, or other Muslim lands be legitimate targets and not others ? After all, if, as you conspired, the US was solely responsible for 9/11, why don't you have the same mindset of 'justice' and 'vengeance' against that country for ?

Believe me, I do, and I think it would've served the betterment of American society a great deal if Cuba delivered that strike for all their crimes and imposed slavery in Latin America. To be honest, I wish Iran and USA nukes each other. Two screwed up fascistic regimes I would never miss, I'll tell ya that.

Do you not believe that a lot of it is defensive, i.e. a reaction to policies of bombing Muslim lands into 'democracy', exploiting their oil, intimidating and threatening them to be obedient ? How many dictators have the US/West propped up in the Middle East ? Mubarak is the latest example, and now as a response, the Muslim Brotherhood look set to have a leading role in governing the country.

I do, and I'm aware the US has a dishonest agenda. They wanna get oil for free. But all the Muslims wanna do is have a subservient **** to stick their dick into and live like animals. The USSR was right to fight the Taliban, and I'm sure that as a leftist you'd agree.

Ocean Seal

9th January 2012, 21:20

Believe me, I do, and I think it would've served the betterment of American society a great deal if Cuba delivered that strike for all their crimes and imposed slavery in Latin America.

As a Latin American I can tell you that this is probably a bad idea.

To be honest, I wish Iran and USA nukes each other. Two screwed up fascistic regimes I would never miss, I'll tell ya that.

To be honest, I think that's the dumbest thing that anyone has ever said on this forum.
Have you ever come to the conclusion that most currently existing regimes are somewhere between screwed up and outright genocidal?

And what happens when they all nuke each other? We all fucking die.

France, England, Russia, Germany, Italy, Japan, the US, among others that entered WWI were imperialist capitalist regimes. Did leftists cheer on the war?

Remember something called "no war but class war". Yeah, I like to stick to it.

I'm a racist
Yep.

Klaatu

9th January 2012, 21:28

Controlling the **** is always the long-term and primary vice of Islam, trust me.

You are a crude, narrow-minded, brainwashed racist fanatic, and I hope you get banned. You've earned it.

Zealot

9th January 2012, 21:28

Uh... what? Nazi lies such as... denying the holocaust, or perhaps denying Israelis were expelled from their own country?:laugh:

Nazi lies such as "derrrr they immigratin to our countries and making us a [email protected]!#@%". I never said you denied the holocaust. And yeah, Israelis weren't expelled from "their own country", how about you learn some history? In fact, the bible itself admits the land was already settled before the Jews killed them all through genocide.

Because it's an overpopulated desert with little scenery, food or resources besides oil where the people are hairy as apes and never shower, maybe?

Ummm no, you racist trash, it's because their countries are being exploited by foreign imperialists who won't let their countries develop.

Kosovo isn't the only one. You have no idea how it relates? Seriously?

Muslim Albanians were migrating to Kosovo, historically the native land of the Serbians, fucked like rats and overpopulated the land until it was a Muslim majority, then they started terrorizing Serbs and their families. When the Serbian government repressed their terrorist attacks, they whine about how "their land" is being attacked, just like how they whine about Israel being "their land" after kicking out the Jews 400 years ago.

Bulgaria and Spain were smart enough to exterminate every last atom of that fucking scum when they rebelled and retook their once-prosperous land after many centuries of occupation by Muslim hoardes.

Serbs were so fucking dumb that they didn't when they liberated themselves because of the very same "let's all be equals, comrades" bullshit they naively believed. Now they pay the price, and it serves them right.

So now you're advocating genocide? You're on the wrong forum, go to scumfront. It was nationalism not religion, even the article you provided had not a single mention of muslims.

You realize they hated Saddam for being such a dirty, secular socialist, right?

What? Another incoherent statement. You're confusing Afghanistan with Iraq and polluting this thread with your dumbness.

History is history, they did it in the past and are doing it as we speak.

Your materialism is shit, your politics are shit, even your fucking conspiracy theories are shit. You make Alex Jones look like Darwin and you should be fucking ashamed of that.

Last I checked, Islamic countries have always oppressed their women and have been generally racist, xenophobic, selfish, bigoted, grossly-inbred hicks, kind of like half the USA only far worse. The only few that stand out are Libya, Iraq and United Arab Emirates and other non-Muslim progressive Arabic countries I might've forgotten.

Always? You should buy a dictionary and look up the word "history" because you've never heard of it.

If that was all it was a reaction to, it would be legit. But no, it was a reaction to anything and everything "Western" that the Shah tried to enforce in Iran, such as women's rights.

No it wasn't, they hated the Shah because he was an American puppet destroying their country. Stop being an imperialist apologist.

Controlling the **** is always the long-term and primary vice of Islam, trust me.

Bye.

Tychus

9th January 2012, 21:43

Love how this degenerated to ad hominems and general namecalling. Troll, imperialist apologist and now racist.

Riddle me: how am I racist? Which race am I being racist to?

Sasha

9th January 2012, 21:57

Tychus banned for being a islamophobigot, ill let this thread continue for a bit longer to see if it can be salvaged but i have not much hope...

Che a chara

9th January 2012, 23:16

Love how this degenerated to ad hominems and general namecalling. Troll, imperialist apologist and now racist.

Riddle me: how am I racist? Which race am I being racist to?

Because it's an overpopulated desert with little scenery, food or resources besides oil where the people are hairy as apes and never shower, maybe?.

That's not even an attack on their religion, but a bigoted assault on a people because of their geographical location and of their perceived inherent genetic make-up/appearance. Pretty racist to me, and that's not including the other bile and verbal diarrhea you have come out with. Ciao