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Fidelbrand
18th November 2003, 13:36
Fidel said this on June 12, 1992 in Rio de Janeiro at the "Earth&#39;s Summit" . Yeah, bit outdated , but what the heck.....~~ <_<

"......Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending, what then is preventing these resources from going immediately to promote Third World development and fight the ecological destruction threatening the planet?
Enough of selfishness. Enough of schemes of domination. Enough of insensitivity, irresponsibility and deceit. Tomorrow will be too late to do what we should have done a long time ago. "


"the supposed threat of communism has disappeared "~~~~~~~~~~

What&#39;s ur view, comrade?

ComradeRobertRiley
18th November 2003, 13:43
maybe he&#39;s being sarcastic towards the yankees

Fidelbrand
18th November 2003, 13:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 02:43 PM
maybe he&#39;s being sarcastic towards the yankees
but the thing is.. throughout these years, he only declared his country as being socialist.

Even when Che told one of his comrades what he was fighting for ,, he said " S.O.C.I.A.L.I.S.T. revolution~"
(His companero said this during an interview in the documentary film - "Che" )

ComradeRobertRiley
18th November 2003, 13:59
hmmm, well socialism is the transitional phase from capitalism to communism so they would obviously prefer communism to capitalism.

But not sure, was just a guess anyway

flayer2
18th November 2003, 14:30
A little ot but...I&#39;m not surprised to hear him use " supposed threat" ( for diplomatic reasons) but I think he knows very well that communism is a threat to the west. Doesn&#39;t socialism seek to destroy capitalism?

Iepilei
18th November 2003, 18:04
It&#39;s sarcasm. With the fall of the Union, many Americans believe that communism just fell off the face of the earth - not taking into consideration, of course, the nations which still adhered to such principles (even as revisionist as they may be).

Fidel recognises the threat communists still play to the power of the capitalists. Otherwise he would have sold his nation to the dogs years ago.

Al Creed
18th November 2003, 18:11
Yeah, That sounds like Sarcasm to me

Comrade Yars
18th November 2003, 20:13
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 02:36 PM
"....Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending..."
If this isn&#39;t mockery of the USA&#39;s reliance on the notion that "might is right" then I&#39;m not sure what else it could be.

The Children of the Revolution
18th November 2003, 23:09
"....Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending..."


I read this in a different way; I think he is referring to the fall of the Soviet Union, not Communism. Cuba has never exerted a massive influence worldwide. I think Fidel was alluding to the fact that the USA was expending vast natural and manufactured resources on the Cold War - now that it is over, he argued, these resources should be used in constructive ways. An admirable idea. No wonder, then, that the Yanks rejected it.

Comrade Yars
19th November 2003, 00:32
Reasonable. I feel Fidel is more or less condeming the USA&#39;s selfishness in not making use of the resources used to develop weapons and the like, towards helping third world countries through providing them with a means to develop themselves.

I like the sarcasm in the "supposed threat of communism"

The Children of the Revolution
19th November 2003, 01:03
I like the sarcasm in the "supposed threat of communism"


As do I&#33; The whole quote (part of a speech?) is rather good actually... Did Fidel say anything else?

Fidelbrand
19th November 2003, 10:59
Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 19 2003, 02:03 AM


I like the sarcasm in the "supposed threat of communism"


As do I&#33; The whole quote (part of a speech?) is rather good actually... Did Fidel say anything else?
My friend, the whole thing goes like this:

Fidel Castro


Tomorrow will be too late
[The following is the complete text of Cuban President Fidel Castro&#39;s speech at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro on June 12. The text comes from Radio Havana via Pegasus.]

An important biological species -- humankind -- is at risk of disappearing due to the rapid and progressive elimination of its natural habitat. We are becoming aware of this problem when it is almost too late to prevent it. It must be said that consumer societies are chiefly responsible for this appalling environmental destruction.

They were spawned by the former colonial metropolis. They are the offspring of imperial policies which, in turn, brought forth the backwardness and poverty that have become the scourge for the great majority of humankind.

With only 20% of the world&#39;s population, they consume two-thirds of all metals and three-fourths of the energy produced worldwide. They have poisoned the seas and the rivers. They have polluted the air. They have weakened and perforated the ozone layer. They have saturated the atmosphere with gases, altering climatic conditions with the catastrophic effects we are already beginning to suffer.

The forests are disappearing. The deserts are expanding. Billions of tons of fertile soil are washed every year into the sea. Numerous species are becoming extinct. Population pressures and poverty lead to desperate efforts to survive, even at the expense of nature. Third World countries, yesterday&#39;s colonies and today nations exploited and plundered by an unjust international economic order, cannot be blamed for all this.

The solution cannot be to prevent the development of those who need it the most. Because today, everything that contributes to underdevelopment and poverty is a flagrant rape of the environment.

As a result, tens of millions of men, women and children die every year in the Third World, more than in each of the two world wars.

Unequal trade, protectionism and the foreign debt assault the ecological balance and promote the destruction of the environment. If we want to save humanity from this self-destruction, wealth and available technologies must be distributed better throughout the planet. Less luxury and less waste in a few countries would mean less poverty and hunger in much of the world.

Stop transferring to the Third World lifestyles and consumer habits that ruin the environment. Make human life more rational. Adopt a just international economic order. Use science to achieve sustainable development without pollution. Pay the ecological debt debt. Eradicate hunger and not humanity.

Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending, what then is preventing these resources from going immediately to promote Third World development and fight the ecological destruction threatening the planet?

Enough of selfishness. Enough of schemes of domination. Enough of insensitivity, irresponsibility and deceit. Tomorrow will be too late to do what we should have done a long time ago.

Fucking masterpiece ~ huh? comrades? Well said&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Fidel.....

P.S. Fidel indeed has a serious face and put his arm up when he said "Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared ....." He looked serious, he gave a sriously reassuring face to the audience... get the tape ... let me check the name i will tell u guyz next time.

But I agree with all of u that he mocked U.S.&#39;s for their callousness & arrogance in exploitating the poor.

Fidelbrand
19th November 2003, 11:03
This is the tape , people. ;)

Title: Great speeches. Volume XI [videorecording] / produced by Alliance Video ; producer, Roger Cook.
Publisher: Greenwood, Ind. : Educational Video Group, c1995.

The Children of the Revolution
19th November 2003, 14:38
Fantastic; thanks comrade.

What a speech&#33; I was writing an essay on "Sustainability" a while back, I wish I had been able to quote Fidel&#33; Oh well, maybe next time&#33; :P

Thanks again

Fidelbrand
19th November 2003, 16:03
Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 19 2003, 03:38 PM
Fantastic; thanks comrade.

What a speech&#33; I was writing an essay on "Sustainability" a while back, I wish I had been able to quote Fidel&#33; Oh well, maybe next time&#33; :P

Thanks again
i have to hand in an essay on globalization&#39;s adverse effects on envt .

I quoted this speech by Fidel.

Last time i wrote abt US&#39;s foregin policy on Cuba (Travel ban)....

i always try to link Fidel to my politics essay.. I guess my professors are gettin sick and tired of me. :P :ph34r:

RebeldePorLaPAZ
19th November 2003, 16:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 10:36 AM
Fidel said this on June 12, 1992 in Rio de Janeiro at the "Earth&#39;s Summit" . Yeah, bit outdated , but what the heck.....~~ <_<

"......Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending, what then is preventing these resources from going immediately to promote Third World development and fight the ecological destruction threatening the planet?
Enough of selfishness. Enough of schemes of domination. Enough of insensitivity, irresponsibility and deceit. Tomorrow will be too late to do what we should have done a long time ago. "


"the supposed threat of communism has disappeared "~~~~~~~~~~

What&#39;s ur view, comrade?
The threat of communism was what the US felt toward the Soviets. Fidel was only saying that there is no more Soviet Union so why pick on Cuba. Drop sanctions,embargos and let Cuba progress. Stop being greedy and let Cuba grow too. Don&#39;t let it be only you.

Fidel is wonderfull with his words. Like Che he was one hell of a speaker.

Melissa
19th November 2003, 16:51
Fantastic speech. His words are very inspiring and I wish that more people would consider these words, since they are very true. I hope that IŽll get to see the tape one day, though that is probably not very likely to happen.

Fidelbrand
20th November 2003, 11:30
iT IS SUCH A GREAT SPEECH , the problem of globalised environmental problems are still prevalent, no one is listening to Granny Castro.......

The Children of the Revolution
20th November 2003, 12:12
Stop being greedy and let Cuba grow too. Don&#39;t let it be only you.


I thought he was promoting the cause of the entire third world?



... what then is preventing these resources from going immediately to promote Third World development ...


Anyway, the point remains somewhat similar - America and the West must commit themselves to third world development and environmental protection policies. Even though the speech is eleven years old, it remains fantastically relevant. A gem.



I guess my professors are gettin sick and tired of me.


My grammar school History teacher felt the same way; I always used to incorporate a quote from Lenin in my essays&#33; Plus, everything would be written from a Marxist perspective. He was eventually forced to comment that I "could do with looking at alternative viewpoints once in a while"&#33; I haven&#39;t plucked up the courage to write a purely Marxist essay at Uni yet...

Fidelbrand
20th November 2003, 13:50
Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 20 2003, 01:12 PM


I guess my professors are gettin sick and tired of me.


My grammar school History teacher felt the same way; I always used to incorporate a quote from Lenin in my essays&#33; Plus, everything would be written from a Marxist perspective. He was eventually forced to comment that I "could do with looking at alternative viewpoints once in a while"&#33; I haven&#39;t plucked up the courage to write a purely Marxist essay at Uni yet...
Same here, man.

For me, yy teacher is from U.&#036;. His usual comment for me is "Passionate writing, but ideologies used lack practicability and realisability." Fuck off.. man~~~ <_<

I always addressed U.&#036;. as "the big machine of capitalistic exploitation", he just crosses it out... entirely, with no explanations :angry:

The Children of the Revolution
21st November 2003, 00:42
For me, yy teacher is from U.&#036;. His usual comment for me is "Passionate writing, but ideologies used lack practicability and realisability." Fuck off.. man~~~

I always addressed U.&#036;. as "the big machine of capitalistic exploitation", he just crosses it out... entirely, with no explanations.


Son of a Gun&#33; That&#39;s really quite harsh... My History teacher wasn&#39;t a bad chap, I think he had left-leaning tendencies himself&#33; But he was supposed to be teaching us all these alternative outlooks and so on; so he was forced to comment. My advice? Try and find a School or Uni based newsletter and start writing with a "passion" for them&#33; I am currently writing a piece on sustainability (a favourite topic of mine) for a student produced pamphlet. The argument is both politically and ecologically based. If it goes down well I may put my name on the end of the next piece... :P

kylie
21st November 2003, 09:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 03:36 PM
Fidel said this on June 12, 1992 in Rio de Janeiro at the "Earth&#39;s Summit" . Yeah, bit outdated , but what the heck.....~~ <_<

"......Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending, what then is preventing these resources from going immediately to promote Third World development and fight the ecological destruction threatening the planet?
Enough of selfishness. Enough of schemes of domination. Enough of insensitivity, irresponsibility and deceit. Tomorrow will be too late to do what we should have done a long time ago. "


"the supposed threat of communism has disappeared "~~~~~~~~~~

What&#39;s ur view, comrade?
He&#39;s right. Communism isn&#39;t a threat to capitalist countries at the moment. It can be easy to forget, but not everyone, in fact most people, think communism is bad and a threat to freedom. My personal experience when talking about marxism has been that people relate it firstly to the soviet union and Stalin. Even social-democrat organisations are very unpopular, i think the SWP at the last elections got something like 0.8 percent of the total votes. So for Marxism this would be even less.

Fidelbrand
21st November 2003, 13:20
Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 21 2003, 01:42 AM


For me, yy teacher is from U.&#036;. His usual comment for me is "Passionate writing, but ideologies used lack practicability and realisability." Fuck off.. man~~~

I always addressed U.&#036;. as "the big machine of capitalistic exploitation", he just crosses it out... entirely, with no explanations.


Son of a Gun&#33; That&#39;s really quite harsh... My History teacher wasn&#39;t a bad chap, I think he had left-leaning tendencies himself&#33; But he was supposed to be teaching us all these alternative outlooks and so on; so he was forced to comment. My advice? Try and find a School or Uni based newsletter and start writing with a "passion" for them&#33; I am currently writing a piece on sustainability (a favourite topic of mine) for a student produced pamphlet. The argument is both politically and ecologically based. If it goes down well I may put my name on the end of the next piece... :P
ya.. thats a good idea , man. I prepare my writing at summer vacation , then rock my uni. (hopefully).. :ph34r: :rolleyes:

Fidelbrand
21st November 2003, 13:22
Originally posted by feoric+Nov 21 2003, 10:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (feoric @ Nov 21 2003, 10:17 AM)
[email protected] 18 2003, 03:36 PM
Fidel said this on June 12, 1992 in Rio de Janeiro at the "Earth&#39;s Summit" . Yeah, bit outdated , but what the heck.....~~ <_<

"......Now that the supposed threat of communism has disappeared and there is no more pretext to wage cold wars or continue the arms race and military spending, what then is preventing these resources from going immediately to promote Third World development and fight the ecological destruction threatening the planet?
Enough of selfishness. Enough of schemes of domination. Enough of insensitivity, irresponsibility and deceit. Tomorrow will be too late to do what we should have done a long time ago. "


"the supposed threat of communism has disappeared "~~~~~~~~~~

What&#39;s ur view, comrade?
He&#39;s right. Communism isn&#39;t a threat to capitalist countries at the moment. It can be easy to forget, but not everyone, in fact most people, think communism is bad and a threat to freedom. My personal experience when talking about marxism has been that people relate it firstly to the soviet union and Stalin. Even social-democrat organisations are very unpopular, i think the SWP at the last elections got something like 0.8 percent of the total votes. So for Marxism this would be even less. [/b]
ye.. u r righT. The USSR did not follow 100% of what Marx proposes, that maybe the reason why people hold a negative feelin&#39; towards Communism.

The Children of the Revolution
21st November 2003, 17:53
There has never been a successful Marxist revolution anywhere. We still await the ceation of a truly Marxist society. Those fools who point to the USSR as the failure of Communism annoy me intensely. Even Cuba - though a shining example to the World - is not a "workers" society as such.



My personal experience when talking about marxism has been that people relate it firstly to the soviet union and Stalin.


Precisely. The Soviet Union is actually a superb Anti-Marxist piece of propaganda, which has and is being exploited by the West...