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Alejandro C
18th November 2003, 05:55
theres been some tiptoeing around the role of a revolution in a society. id like to examine what the revolution means to me. in order to do that i got an analogy-

The sun shines on a forrest. from below a great field of aboriginal grass is dying, the tall trees block the sun. the trees cannot see the sun, so it does no good to them, they don't have eyes. asleep and dying the grass has no hope of the sun but still they know they miss something. once the sun reached down and touched a blade of grass. as the sun layed down on the blade's eyelids, the grass awoke from the light shining through. the blade straightened and was able to see all his fellow grass was cowed by the avarice of the trees. a scream waved through the forrest as the blade called to the wind. the wind came from below and uprooted all the trees, throwing them in the ocean. a cleansing rushed through the field as all the grass awoke as one..


in the analogy the revolution is not the sun, it is the wind. you might call the sun enlightenment if you were ambitious;- i would call it self actualization. i would also call the sun art. i believe in a revolutionary society art would be worshiped. people would go to a gallery opening every sunday instead of the cathedral. poets would replace politicians.

i believe that the revolution is not the end, but the means to an end. the revolutionary wind serves to allow people to see the sun. the revolution relieves the obsession with material goods and gives everyone the platform from which they can jump and fly.

because of this i don't mind religions, because they can serve as tools of enlightenment. i realize that some could also be used as the slavery of the afterlife. i find buddhism to be particularly good in its affront to worship.

i would also challenge the idea that some of you have that artists and musicians should not be considered as great as revolutionaries. as you can see i would hold brilliant artists as high and higher than some revolutionaries.

the point of this topic is to try to get away from the how of the revolution and concentrate on why, and not just the superficial why, a revolution would be neccesary.

The Feral Underclass
18th November 2003, 16:32
in the analogy the revolution is not the sun, it is the wind. you might call the sun enlightenment if you were ambitious;- i would call it self actualization. i would also call the sun art. i believe in a revolutionary society art would be worshiped. people would go to a gallery opening every sunday instead of the cathedral. poets would replace politicians.

I agree that creativity is what we humans love. My mother loves to paint but unfotunatly she has to work to survive and never has time to paint. The revolution must be about freeing human beings so that they can pursue things such as art, but also just to experience life.

I do not think art should be "worshiped" anymore than anyting else. Some humans may hate art even after the revolution.


i believe that the revolution is not the end, but the means to an end. the revolutionary wind serves to allow people to see the sun. the revolution relieves the obsession with material goods and gives everyone the platform from which they can jump and fly.

Again i absolutly agree. Any revolution must come through mass consciousness in order to achieve what you are talking about.


i would also challenge the idea that some of you have that artists and musicians should not be considered as great as revolutionaries. as you can see i would hold brilliant artists as high and higher than some revolutionaries.

Although expressive art etc are important parts of our existance, they can not take presedence over the task in hand. Fighting for a revolution is a big task, and for many years artists and musicians as well as bus drivers and bakers will have to fight so that they can live in such a society where they can express themselves.


the point of this topic is to try to get away from the how of the revolution and concentrate on why, and not just the superficial why, a revolution would be neccesary.

Of course it is important to discuss such things, but we can not concentrate on this solely. For a start we can nnot judge exaclty how society is going to be and secondly we have to work out how we get there.

The Feral Underclass
18th November 2003, 16:34
Out of interest, are you angolan? Your avater is the angolan flag? I am hopfully going to angola in march to work there for six months?

Alejandro C
21st November 2003, 02:54
I liked your phrasing that 'the revolution must be about freeing human beings so they can pursue other things'

in my readings of marx i understand the goal of the revolution is to transform people from those who HAVE much to those who ARE much.

and no i'm not angolan.

Alejandro C
25th November 2003, 16:11
capitalism is a slavery of the mind, we have to break those chains by any means necessary.