Diary of Anne Frank

[Dogs On Acid]

Is it worth reading?

[NewLeft]

I read it in middle school... It's worth reading if you want to know more about her daily life in the attic.

[Dogs On Acid]

I read it in middle school... It's worth reading if you want to know more about her daily life in the attic.

From a Marxist perspective does it have any value?

[marl]

From a Marxist perspective does it have any value?
No, it's a book, as stated, about life in an attic. I didn't find it very interesting for that reason, buts its an important book for historical purposes.

[Lobotomy]

Night > diary of Anne Frank. Just saying

[Nox]

All I know about Anne Frank is that he was some bloke who hid in a cupboard.

[Sasha]

All I know about Anne Frank is that he was some bloke who hid in a cupboard.

You must be trolling right?

If not I wish we could infract for mindboggeling ignorance...

@ o.p. its a classic and as such worthwhile but if you want to learn about the occupation of the Netherlands, the fate of the jewish population and the resistance there are better books out there

[NoOneIsIllegal]

It's one of the most read books in the entire world, just behind the Bible.

Night > diary of Anne Frank. Just saying
Agreed.

[blake 3:17]

Is Night really any good? I remember finding it very moving but Wiesel is such a dirt bag. It is only a 100 pages...

[Ostrinski]

Night is great. I've read it a couple times. I also have Anne Frank's Diary sitting on my bookshelf, but haven't read it yet.

[anarchoash]

If you have an interest in history then I recommend reading it

[blake 3:17]

I read it 20 years ago and was very moved by it. I reread it last night and this morning. I found terribly manipulative and ham fisted.

The first meaningful criticism of Wiesel I saw was in Norman Finkelstein`s The Holocaust Industry and found it upsetting.

The edition I have has a quote from Al Alvarez (the author of a very good book on suicide amongst other things) `As a human document, Night is almost unbearably painful, and certainly beyond criticism.` (êmphasis mine)

It is garbage.

[The Young Pioneer]

Wiesel is such a dirt bag.


Wai?

[Drosophila]

Anne Frank's Diary is a good read. However, if you don't want to pass out from the horrors of the Holocaust, stay away from more detailed books.

[blake 3:17]

Quote:
Originally Posted by blake 3:17
Wiesel is such a dirt bag.

Wai?


Wiesel has been fundamental in shaping the narrative of the Holocaust as one belonging entirely to Jews. He has been one of the the most important figures in making any criticism of Israel or Zionism equivalent to violent anti-Semitism.

He has been a major advocate of "human rights" imperialist intervention.

Going through the Ha'aretz archives, I just learnt he has advocated the assassination of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

Even hardline Zionists think he is nuts. "The World Jewish Congress said Wednesday that it had no idea Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel planned to take out a newspaper ad criticizing the Obama administration's approach to Israel just a day after Ronald Lauder, the Jewish world's body's president, did the same." Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/wjc-distances-itself-from-wiesel-s-pro-israel-jerusalem-ad-1.284637


Here’s the text of full-page ads that Elie Wiesel took out last year in the The International Herald Tribune, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times:
It was inevitable: Jerusalem once again is at the center of political debates and international storms. New and old tensions surface at a disturbing pace. Seventeen times destroyed and seventeen times rebuilt, it is still in the middle of diplomatic confrontations that could lead to armed conflict. Neither Athens nor Rome has aroused that many passions.

For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. It is mentioned more than six hundred times in Scripture—and not a single time in the Koran. Its presence in Jewish history is overwhelming. There is no more moving prayer in Jewish history than the one expressing our yearning to return to Jerusalem. To many theologians, it IS Jewish history, to many poets, a source of inspiration. It belongs to the Jewish people and is much more than a city, it is what binds one Jew to another in a way that remains hard to explain. When a Jew visits Jerusalem for the first time, it is not the first time; it is a homecoming. The first song I heard was my mother’s lullaby about and for Jerusalem. Its sadness and its joy are part of our collective memory.

Since King David took Jerusalem as his capital, Jews have dwelled inside its walls with only two interruptions; when Roman invaders forbade them access to the city and again, when under Jordanian occupation, Jews, regardless of nationality, were refused entry into the old Jewish quarter to meditate and pray at the Wall, the last vestige of Solomon’s temple. It is important to remember: had Jordan not joined Egypt and Syria in the war against Israel, the old city of Jerusalem would still be Arab. Clearly, while Jews were ready to die for Jerusalem they would not kill for Jerusalem.

Today, for the first time in history, Jews, Christians and Muslims all may freely worship at their shrines. And, contrary to certain media reports, Jews, Christians and Muslims ARE allowed to build their homes anywhere in the city.

The anguish over Jerusalem is not about real estate but about memory.
What is the solution? Pressure will not produce a solution. Is there a solution? There must be, there will be. Why tackle the most complex and sensitive problem prematurely? Why not first take steps which will allow the Israeli and Palestinian communities to find ways to live together in an atmosphere of security. Why not leave the most difficult, the most sensitive issue, for such a time?

Jerusalem must remain the world’s Jewish spiritual capital, not a symbol of anguish and bitterness, but a symbol of trust and hope. As the Hasidic master Rebbe Nahman of Bratslav said, “Everything in this world has a heart; the heart itself has its own heart.
Jerusalem is the heart of our heart, the soul of our soul.”
- Elie Wiesel

Source: http://unitedwithisrael.org/elie-wiesel-jerusalem-is-above-politics/

Alexander Cockburn on Wiesel's appreance on Oprah: http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/01/truth-and-fiction-in-elie-wiesel-s-night-is-frey-or-wiesel-the-bigger-moral-poseur/

[HixRixWoop]

Wiesel has been fundamental in shaping the narrative of the Holocaust as one belonging entirely to Jews. He has been one of the the most important figures in making any criticism of Israel or Zionism equivalent to violent anti-Semitism.

He has been a major advocate of "human rights" imperialist intervention.

Going through the Ha'aretz archives, I just learnt he has advocated the assassination of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

Even hardline Zionists think he is nuts. "The World Jewish Congress said Wednesday that it had no idea Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel planned to take out a newspaper ad criticizing the Obama administration's approach to Israel just a day after Ronald Lauder, the Jewish world's body's president, did the same." Source:



Source:

Alexander Cockburn on Wiesel's appreance on Oprah:

Jeez, can't there be 1 threat on Jews that's NOT hating on them?

[Princess Luna]

Jeez, can't there be 1 threat on Jews that's NOT hating on them?
He's not hating on Jews, he's hating on Elie Wiesel and even then hating may be far too strong of a word. There are very valid criticisms of Wiesel, both for his extremely hard-line Zionism and opinions on foreign policies, which were mentioned above, but also his outright opposition to acknowledging groups like Homosexuals as Holocaust victims. Criticising him on these grounds is no-more hating on Jewish people, then attacking Louis Farrikan and Geogre Rockwell for their fucked up believes, means hating their respective races as a whole.

[Seth]

Jeez, can't there be 1 threat on Jews that's NOT hating on them?


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