environment world review: '2011 rewrote the record books'

[bcbm]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/environment-2011-year-review

[Ele'ill]

So, Tigers doing well, planet dying.

[Rafiq]

We are really fucked, aren't we.

[Franz Fanonipants]

time to get together and start tryin for a raiding society ala the comanche (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/12/2011127125429770306.html)

[bcbm]

We are really fucked, aren't we.

species as a whole? no, we're resilient enough to survive. civilization as we know it? probably.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I actually think that civilization will keep on chugging along for the foreseeable future. There will just be more extreme weather patterns, and severe deprivation for a lot of the world's population, with struggles for food and water wars etc. The primitivists will have to keep waiting for industrial society to completely collapse, though, that genie's already been let out of the bottle and I don't see it going back in, barring some kind of unforeseen epic cataclysm that destroys all human knowledge or something.

[bcbm]

thats why i said as we know it, not as a whole. i think it will 'scale back' in a lot of areas but obviously there will be concentrations of highly technological society. i could see something like lots of city-state type shit in a hundred years or something. there will definitely be a mass exodus and desertion from equatorial and southern (in the northern hemisphere) cities towards the north. los angeles, las vegas, phoenix, cities like that are pretty much ghost towns in waiting. i think some first world states will collapse or disintegrate to some degree in the coming decades and the breakdown of the economy plus mass immigration and dwindling resources will create new living patterns