Told my mom I was an anarcho communist today

[Drowzy_Shooter]

She took it quite well :thumbup:. She agreed with my opinion of it aligning with our religious teachings more then capitalism. The one that made her laugh and put her in a good mood was me telling her that Jesus healed the crippled beggar even though he had a pre-existing condition.

[eyeheartlenin]

I grew up in the South, though not the deep South, and there was no social validation when I decided I was a socialist (mid-sixties), so I wish you the best of luck, D_S. All my relatives (then) believed that evolution was whacked, so I think they probably qualified as creationists. They were certainly all Christians (Baptists, in fact)

It would have been amusing if your mom had been "Marxist-Leninist" (what a misnamed tendency!) and tried to argue you out of your anarcho-commie stance, by quoting Joseph Vissarionovich or the collected works of "Comrade Enver Hoxha."

[NewLeft]

I always scratched my head at commies coming out to their parents..? I just don't get it. It must be the location because everyone who lives in my neighbourhood is probably a socialist or a social democrat at least..

[Drowzy_Shooter]

I grew up in the South, though not the deep South, and there was no social validation when I decided I was a socialist (mid-sixties), so I wish you the best of luck, D_S. All my relatives (then) believed that evolution was whacked, so I think they probably qualified as creationists. They were certainly all Christians (Baptists, in fact)

It would have been amusing if your mom had been "Marxist-Leninist" (what a misnamed tendency!) and tried to argue you out of your anarcho-commie stance, by quoting Joseph Vissarionovich or the collected works of "Comrade Enver Hoxha."


Thanks comrade! And yes, that would've been pretty funny.

[Nox]

She took it quite well :thumbup:. She agreed with my opinion of it aligning with our religious teachings more then capitalism. The one that made her laugh and put her in a good mood was me telling her that Jesus healed the crippled beggar even though he had a pre-existing condition.

Congratulations, I still haven't told any of my family.

How exactly did you start the conversation? And how old are you btw?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

Congratulations, I still haven't told any of my family.

How exactly did you start the conversation? And how old are you btw?

Well basically, I opened it up asking her about what she thought of it (this all worked better because we had just been covering the soviet revolution in our history course, I'm home schooled). She told me she thought communism sounded like a good idea, but she didn't like the totalitarianism of it. Throughout the weeks I'd been exposing her to the idea of the different branches of lefter communism ( council communism, left communism, anarchic-communism/syndicalism). So I asked her what she thought about anarcho-communism, and it kinda just went from there. I'm gonna lose you though in the next part, the real deciding factor was the fact that it coincided with our religion much better then capitalism.


Also, I know many will say I'm too "young", but I hope I won't loose respect by telling you that I am 14.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I always scratched my head at commies coming out to their parents..? I just don't get it. It must be the location because everyone who lives in my neighbourhood is probably a socialist or a social democrat at least..

Really? Wherabouts in Canada, if you don't mind my asking? I'm in Mississauga, Ontario and my riding/neighbourhood tends to go back and forth between Liberal and Conservative...you know, "suburbia".

Politics tends to find its way into conversations with my family sooner or later and it can get pretty fucking irritating. When you hear a bunch of right-wing comments, I feel someone needs to be a dissenting voice of reason. So for better or worse my family is pretty well aware of my politics. Some of them are cool about it but "agree to disagree", and others are condescending. On the Occupy movement, I'm always hearing "If they don't like the way things are they should just go out and vote".

[Le Rouge]

Age doesn't matter bro. :P

[Misanthrope]

what does the 't' stand for in your avatar instead of a hammer?

[StalinFanboy]

what does the 't' stand for in your avatar instead of a hammer?
it stands for jesus

[Drowzy_Shooter]

Age doesn't matter bro. :P

Thanks comrade :cool:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Why does "coming out" as radicals to their parents matter to people?
Because, it doesn't...*

If anything, my folks found out mostly from me increasingly disagreeing on politics. I don't tip-toe around criticizing capitalism, you gotta be blunt.

* Talking politics with your folks is okay. Trying to persuade them is a dead-end. Save your breath, young one.

[heyjoe]

Drowsy shooter i think you are pretty mature and have an inquisitive rational intellect compared to the average teenager. keep up the good work.

[Misanthrope]

it stands for jesus

that can't be it, Jesus starts with a J.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

Drowsy shooter i think you are pretty mature and have an inquisitive rational intellect compared to the average teenager. keep up the good work.

Thank you comrade :thumbup1:

[X5N]

I always scratched my head at commies coming out to their parents..? I just don't get it. It must be the location because everyone who lives in my neighbourhood is probably a socialist or a social democrat at least..

You live in Canada. Everyone there is socialist.

I know that isn't true. I'm just trying to be funny.

[CynicalIdealist]

You live in Canada. Everyone there is socialist.

I know that isn't true. I'm just trying to be funny.

No they...

God dammit you got me.

[The Insurrection]

She took it quite well :thumbup:. She agreed with my opinion of it aligning with our religious teachings more then capitalism. The one that made her laugh and put her in a good mood was me telling her that Jesus healed the crippled beggar even though he had a pre-existing condition.

You're a Christian?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

You're a Christian?

Yes I am.

[X5N]

No they...

God dammit you got me.

Sorry. Giving text the same color as the background is a habit I developed from another site I'm a member of.

Anyways, as to the OP -- that's great. :D

[NewLeft]

You live in Canada. Everyone there is socialist.

I know that isn't true. I'm just trying to be funny.

:laugh:


Really? Wherabouts in Canada, if you don't mind my asking? I'm in Mississauga, Ontario and my riding/neighbourhood tends to go back and forth between Liberal and Conservative...you know, "suburbia".

Politics tends to find its way into conversations with my family sooner or later and it can get pretty fucking irritating. When you hear a bunch of right-wing comments, I feel someone needs to be a dissenting voice of reason. So for better or worse my family is pretty well aware of my politics. Some of them are cool about it but "agree to disagree", and others are condescending. On the Occupy movement, I'm always hearing "If they don't like the way things are they should just go out and vote".

I live by the beaches in East York.

[Luís Henrique]

I am sleepy and first misread the topic title as "Told by mom I was an anarcho communist".

Seemed way more interesting than what it actually turned out to be...

Luís Henrique

[The Stalinator]

I have no idea how to come out to my grandma as a communist. She's an ultra-conservative nationalist fuck. She'd gut me.

[ComradeGrant]

Crass joke ahead: You tell her on her deathbed. Crass joke ending.

[Buitraker]

You are lucky, in my family all people are of PSOE(Spanish Workers Socialist Party), so they are center social-democrats or Corporations puppets.

Fuck them, i dont forget Rosa

[Crux]

I showed my grandfather one of the first article's I wrote for the party paper and he said I was "a real [last name]". Never really talked politics with him but that really warmed my heart. Unfortunatly he is pretty deep in dementia now, so I've never really gotten the chance to ask him about his own politics. Both my parents are left-wing, even though my mother votes for the Green Party, so all this "coming out bussiness" seems pretty foreign to me. Then again I don't live in the U.S deep south.

[ColonelCossack]

I think if I did that...

Oh wait.

[Lanky Wanker]

Oh the joys of "coming out". Probably the best thing I ever told my dad because it gives me a chance to argue and actually know more about the topic than the other person for once. He comes up with all the "communism is where you work for the state!" crap and thinks I'm the one who's misunderstanding something.

[El Chuncho]

Yes I am.

I'll not hold that against you, but I disagree that Christianity (in it's truest form) is aligned with communism or anarchism...and that is not the fault of these two political ideologies.

Do you believe that Jesus is a king? Do you believe that people who do not believe in Jesus will burn in hell?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

I'll not hold that against you, but I disagree that Christianity (in it's truest form) is aligned with communism or anarchism...and that is not the fault of these two political ideologies.

Do you believe that Jesus is a king? Do you believe that people who do not believe in Jesus will burn in hell?

He is not a king as in King Richard, he is a king in more of a "silent" form. Though he has domain over the earth, he doesn't necessarily use it all the time. I'm not a deist, but I don't believe he likes to directly interfere.


And about the burning in hell, I'm not really qualified to say. As such, I don't really have an opinion, it's more of a guess. The book of revelation is up there in the levels of most complicated books, religious or otherwise. My guess is that there are different levels, I wouldn't wish to guess how many, but there is most certainly a difference. Ghandi didn't go to the same place as Hitler for sure.

[Luís Henrique]

You don't have to come out to them, they will discover the first time you get arrested in some demonstration.

Luís Henrique

[El Chuncho]

He is not a king as in King Richard, he is a king in more of a "silent" form. Though he has domain over the earth, he doesn't necessarily use it all the time. I'm not a deist, but I don't believe he likes to directly interfere.

Would you not say that that is a bit oppressive though? I mean, why should heaven not have leaders of the one-party state that are elected?

I am not knocking your faith or beliefs, just discussing them with interest.



And about the burning in hell, I'm not really qualified to say. As such, I don't really have an opinion, it's more of a guess. The book of revelation is up there in the levels of most complicated books, religious or otherwise. My guess is that there are different levels, I wouldn't wish to guess how many, but there is most certainly a difference.

Would sending people to burn in hell not be a contradiction to the idea of an all loving and all merciful god? Is it truly fair to send people to hell just because they found the evidence for the Christian god lacking? Why not send them to ''hell'' to reform them and then free them into paradise. A divine form of utilitarian justice. Similar to in Buddhism, in which even the longest hell (Avici) is not a permanent place of suffering.


Ghandi didn't go to the same place as Hitler for sure.

Glad to hear it! ;)

[Omsk]

Well,i think they all know,the bust of Lenin said it all.

But to be serious,elder members of my family participated in wars against fascism,so i doubt they would have anything against my political opinions.

[Rooster]

For me, a big part of being a communist is having communist books. I'm sure most people here have at least a couple. I would not be able to hide books at all as I keep leaving them in the bathroom or in the kitchen or something. Does everyone just read marxist texts on line now or something?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

Would you not say that that is a bit oppressive though? I mean, why should heaven not have leaders of the one-party state that are elected?

I am not knocking your faith or beliefs, just discussing them with interest.




Would sending people to burn in hell not be a contradiction to the idea of an all loving and all merciful god? Is it truly fair to send people to hell just because they found the evidence for the Christian god lacking? Why not send them to ''hell'' to reform them and then free them into paradise. A divine form of utilitarian justice. Similar to in Buddhism, in which even the longest hell (Avici) is not a permanent place of suffering.



Glad to hear it!;)

I don't think the majority of Christians would say that it does ruin the idea. They would say people make their own choice, and send themselves to hell. I strongly disagree with this, which is a huge reason I've been struggling with my faith recently. I asked my mom why would god send me to hell, simply because I was born as a hindu in india. IDK it's been difficult for me. Part of the reason I stay with it is because I love my family, but with how deeply religious they are, if I became agnostic/atheist I would be crucified (c wat I did thar). Plus, I'm scared that if I do, I'll find out I was wrong and would burn in hell......

[Crux]

I don't think the majority of Christians would say that it does ruin the idea. They would say people make their own choice, and send themselves to hell. I strongly disagree with this, which is a huge reason I've been struggling with my faith recently. I asked my mom why would god send me to hell, simply because I was born as a hindu in india. IDK it's been difficult for me. Part of the reason I stay with it is because I love my family, but with how deeply religious they are, if I became agnostic/atheist I would be crucified (c wat I did thar). Plus, I'm scared that if I do, I'll find out I was wrong and would burn in hell......
You'll find your own way in time, whetever that's inside our outside the fold is up to you. Don't let yourself get bullied in either direction.
Just my two cents.

[El Chuncho]

I do not disagree with you having a religion but as we are discussing beliefs...


They would say people make their own choice, and send themselves to hell.

They would and, yeah, I have had a problem with this alSO and I can see why you would struggle with your faith because of it. In their ideology, do humans really have a free choice? At least a far one? Either you believe in YHWH, despite there being no concrete evidence for his existence, or you go to hell because you couldn't believe something without evidence...despite how good a life you have lived. Why doesn't YHWH reveal himself and actually give people the choice to follow him or not? What good is faith without evidence when it means that many millions will suffer in hell because they couldn't believe an abstract concept?

However I know that universal Christians do exist and have a lot of arguments to why their view is the more correct one. Myself I'd argue that the Bible was written by men, though maybe it was inspired by god, and thus men might make mistakes, even if god is infallible. Of course, many just interpret the Bible differently to say fundamentalists and thus use many quotes to say that hell is not eternal, but a place of learning.

So you need not abandon your faith after your religious struggle because there are many Christian sects with different teachings. And when it comes to faith, there are many other religions. Hinduism, for instance, is universalist at its heart, and thus Christ is often considered to be another form of god (Brahman), akin to Krishna.

http://www.dadsdayoff.net/eternalhellno.html - A Christian who argues against an eternal hell. You will be able to find greater sources online.

Christian Universalists - http://www.christianuniversalist.org/

Info on Christian Universalism http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/chr-univ.html - the most common type is that Jesus is the true god and that, whilst other religions are not correct, ALL of mankind will be saved eventually. You also have Universalist Christians who believe that all religions are equally true (and false) and just reflections for individual cultures.



I strongly disagree with this, which is a huge reason I've been struggling with my faith recently. I asked my mom why would god send me to hell, simply because I was born as a hindu in india. IDK it's been difficult for me. Part of the reason I stay with it is because I love my family, but with how deeply religious they are, if I became agnostic/atheist I would be crucified (c wat I did thar). Plus, I'm scared that if I do, I'll find out I was wrong and would burn in hell......

That is a problem with the Christian idea of hell. It is often used as a mechanism of fear. But you could end up believing in Christ and then finding out that the afterlife is very different and that god dislikes Christians and sends them to hell for an eternity; so you could ''believe'' and still end up in hell.

But I do not find an eternal hell at all logical for the simple reason that it serves no real perhaps (it is just cruelty). A logical hell would be one in which wrongdoers are not retributive punished (being tortured for the sake of causing main) but in an utilitarian manner (e.g. being punished so they can learn a lesson). You cannot really learn a lesson unless the lesson ends.

But it is not my place to bully you into changing any beliefs. The truth is within you. I agree with Majakovskij.

[heyjoe]

if there is a hell i think we are there now learning our lessons.

[El Chuncho]

if there is a hell i think we are there now learning our lessons.

Damn, it certainly feels like it at times.

[VirgJans12]

I was actually quite nervous about it because I knew what people thought of communism. They often think it's a totalitarian, repressive stateform that killed tens of millions. But when I went out to another city to meet up with a socialist group for the first time and my dad asked me where I was going, I didn't turn around it and told him. He said "great, this isn't how I raised you". But he accepted it.