Would religious propaganda as well as anti religious propaganda be allowed under Soci

[tradeunionsupporter]

Would religious propaganda as well as anti religious propaganda be allowed under Socialism or would so called evidence for religion be banned ? When I say so called evidence Im talking about that both Jews Christians and Muslims write books and use prophecy and or scientific miracles and events to prove their holy books are from God my question is would they have the freedom to do this. I think they should be allowed to use whatever evidence they think they have and Atheists can refute to debunk the evidence. In my view if you censor the evidence religious people use you are making it seem like their evidence is correct.

The Constitution of the Soviet Union, 1918

Freedom of religion... Article 13. In order to ensure genuine freedom of conscience for the working people, the church is separated from the State, and the school from the church: and freedom of religious and anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

http://www.abc.net.au/concon/constitutions/sov1918.htm

[Kitty_Paine]

I am against any system or structure that would restrict anyone from releasing books, fliers, etc. about their religion or lack of one. I think it's a basic freedom that everyone should have. As long as it doesn't get militant or seriously affect the lives of others, I believe it's an inherent freedom.

[CommunityBeliever]

The state should control the education system to ensure that the people are given a proper education which teaches people the critical thinking skills to determine the validity of publications. From that foundation, everyone should be free to express whatever ideas they have, including ones related to religion. As it is now we have a decadent education system, so that precondition doesn't yet hold.

[tradeunionsupporter]

In my view Evolution should be taught in the school system if the Jews Christians and Muslims think Creationism is correct I say bring me your evidence.

[NGNM85]

Censorship is anathema to Anarchism. The only true Libertarian position on free speech is to defend it, zealously, which means to defend it for views that we find, personally, abhorrent.

[tradeunionsupporter]

I believe people should be free to believe in any religion and believe in any evidence they think is true if Jews Christians and Muslims want to reject Evolution they should not try to being it in the science classes in the schools.

[Kitty_Paine]

In my view Evolution should be taught in the school system if the Jews Christians and Muslims think Creationism is correct I say bring me your evidence.

Religion isn't based on fact it's based off of faith, therefore you can't really ask this. But the way I see it -

School is a place to learn things based on fact and practical theory. Therefore evolution should be taught in schools as it is a theory based on proof and practicality. Religion should not (creationism), because it is based on faith and non-provable believes. If you want your kids to learn about it, I'm okay with that, take them to church. But school is not for that. School is for facts/real world learning, church is for faith/believe. Plus creationism is not held to be true by all religions, so why should only a few be represented in schools?

[Prometeo liberado]

From what I understand as the classical marxist analysis religion wont need much of our attention under socialism. The old superstitions will, in time, cease to hold any relevance due to the advances of scientific socialism. Therefore censorship would be counter productive as religion, and their "prophecies" would be met head on by reason and the living reality of socialism.

[tradeunionsupporter]

I support freedom of religion as long as religion respects the right of Atheists to not believe.

[Tovarisch]

Religion isn't based on fact it's based off of faith, therefore you can't really ask this. But the way I see it -

School is a place to learn things based on fact and practical theory. Therefore evolution should be taught in schools as it is a theory based on proof and practicality. Religion should not (creationism), because it is based on faith and non-provable believes. If you want your kids to learn about it, I'm okay with that, take them to church. But school is not for that. School is for facts/real world learning, church is for faith/believe. Plus creationism is not held to be true by all religions, so why should only a few be represented in schools?
I agree, because creationism has been disproven too much, and not even all religions support it, just a couple.

Evolutionism made our country strong, it can make her strong again

[roy]

The government shouldn't have anything to do with people expressing their beliefs, so long as it's done in a peaceful manner. It's a hard question to answer, though, because we don't know what socialism would really look like and we have no idea how a socialist system of government would function, if you could even call it that. I'm sure it wouldn't resemble anything we're used to.

[eyeheartlenin]

I think I remember reading that Soviet legislation, while recognizing the right to believe and the right to practice anti-religious propaganda, made it impossible for religious organizations to own property, at one point, but there obviously were houses of worship open and functioning in the old USSR. The Soviet government, before it lost control of the situation under Gorbachev, engaged vigorously in anti-religious propaganda (which seemed to me to make atheism resemble a belief system, i.e., a negative religion, with its publications [one of which was called "Militant Atheist" in Russian] and meetings).

Repressive post-capitalist societies, like the USSR and the People's Republic of China, also withheld state recognition from independent (as opposed to state-controlled) religious societies, thereby restricting the rights of some believers.

There was a book written in the early years of the USSR, The ABC of Communism, which, if I remember correctly, recommended against state persecution of religion, because persecution would have the effect of further inflaming religious sentiment.

In the GDR ("East Germany"), the government held secular ceremonies to counter Christian "Confirmation" of young people, and I think religious believers in some of those post-capitalist societies faced discrimination in the education and jobs that were available to them. But then Stalinist rule gave way to capitalist restoration, and I would guess that everything has changed, by now.

[00000000000]

No state or government or executive body can or should try and hold dominion over personal beliefs or convictions of any kind, no matter how absurd or offensive they can be.
Free speech in a open, public forum can lead to disagreement, but also discussion and possibly reconsiliation (sp?). Repression acheives nothing (yes, lI'm ooking at you Kim Jong Un, take note!)

[Sputnik_1]

I don't think that anyone's beliefs should be suppressed, I just hope that at some point with new generations, less influenced by nowadays world, the population will finally have enough intelligence and sanity to start a religion-free society.

[Zealot]

Lenin had this to say about atheist propaganda:

"Our propaganda necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism; the publication of the appropriate scientific literature, which the autocratic feudal government has hitherto strictly forbidden and persecuted, must now form one of the fields of our Party work. We shall now probably have to follow the advice Engels once gave to the German Socialists: to translate and widely disseminate the literature of the eighteenth-century French Enlighteners and atheists." - Lenin: Socialism and Religion (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm)

However, he made it clear that the religious question took the backseat in regards to the struggle against capitalism and ends by saying:

"And in this political system, cleansed of medieval mildew, the proletariat will wage a broad and open struggle for the elimination of economic slavery, the true source of the religious humbugging of mankind. "

In The Attitude of the Worker's Party to Religion (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm), Lenin sided with Engels who criticized the Blanquists in The Program of the Blanquist Fugitives (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1874/06/26.htm) who, in their efforts to be the "most radical", waged war on religion:

"...Engels called their (Blanquist fugitives) vociferous proclamation of war on religion a piece of stupidity, and stated that such a declaration of war was the best way to revive interest in religion and to prevent it from really dying out."

In regards to the Party, he was very explicit that if a religious member had become preoccupied with disseminating religious propaganda within the Party, they "...would unquestionably have to expel him from its ranks."

[hatzel]

To the OP: yes.

To those talking of school curricula and the like: your envisaged education reforms do not even begin to go far enough.

To this comment:


Evolutionism made our country strong, it can make her strong again

I have literally no idea what you are trying to communicate.

/succinct posting at its best :)