"Wage slavery doesn't exist"

[Lanky Wanker]

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Because all of those starving kids in China didn't consider starting up their own businesses, right?

[RGacky3]

I hate responding to idiotic youtube arguments (since most of the time these people are just terrible at making arguments.)

1. He's missdefining wage slavery
Wage slavery DOES NOT require any monopolies, all it requires is that people are compulsed by necessity to basic human existance to sell their labor. It does'nt mean monopolies at all.

2. Buisiness ARE a limited resourse, because Capital is a limited resource and resources are a limited resource. Also Markets are limited, which is why the capitalist system constantly needs to grow it, and new markets only grow with new technology or social phenomenon.

3. To start a new buisinesss you need time, and enough capital to build a cliant base, even if you don't need constant capital, you need to be able to survive without an income and risk failure, you also have a higher risk of failure due to those already in the market that will create barriers to entry.

4. His argument about the nature of buisiness would be disspelled by a basic coarse in buisiness economics. Its not about fulfilling social need at all, its not what the need is, its who can afford it, and much of that economic activity does'nt benefit society at all, prime examlpe: The financial industry, the largest industry now in capitalism makes its money through skimming off the top of other industry.

5. Capitalism NEEDS government, they are intrinsicly tied, so you can't say capitalism causes this and government causes that, Capitalism and government cause each other.

6. His arguments about starting a buisiness is simply ignorant of economics. starting a buisiness is not an answer.

7. markets are a limited resource .....

8. Much of the way traditional slavery started was indebtness, all his arguments.

His arguments can be overturned by simple empirical evidnece and elementary economics.

[Lanky Wanker]

I hate responding to idiotic youtube arguments (since most of the time these people are just terrible at making arguments.)


We always seem to put YouTube down as the homeland of idiots... :rolleyes: are we forgetting everyone else on the internet? Well said though. I seem to learn more through seeing angry responses than I do through actual reading.

[rylasasin]

well, it's the homeland of the idiots, that isn't specifically DESIGNED to be the homeland of the idiots (IE Sites catering specifically to libertarians.)

In other words, its the homeland of the idiots because people over there are genuinely ignorant when there's plenty of material over there to prove them wrong, as opposed to "Well, it's a libertarian/tea party/republican party/pro-captialist site, what did you expect?"

[TheRedAnarchist23]

He should have studied what wage slavery is, he would have avoied looking so stupid in front of all us leftists.

If he really knew what wage slavery is he would not say he suports capitalism.

[RGacky3]

One thing libertarians almost NEVER take up is the internal contradictions of capital, and the constant consolidation of capital accumulation.

His whole argument is based on a very specific definition of slavery, and ignoring probability values in economics and rather only dealing with possible values, if you justify things based on possibility rather than probability you can justify almost any economic system.

Sure its POSSIBLE fo me to become a CEO of a major financial institution starting out poor, but the probability is so low and the risk so high its rediculus to even consider it, his example of the piano tuner makes no sense at all, does this guy know whats involved in starting a piano tuning buisiness?
First you need the education,
second you need to market data,
third you need to try and build a client base (all without an income btw),
fourth you need to try and beat out competition,
fifth you need advertising and so on,
sixth you need to organize it so that you can actually live off it, i.e. you need enough customers to pay you enough to live off
seventh, you need a car, and equipment.

How many pianos do you think exist in a community? (a poor community at that), also how often do they need to get tuned? Honestly ANYONE who has even thought of starting a buisiness would ridicule the possibility of starting a piano tuning buisiness as an argument to say wage labor is not coercive.

Also this guy totally ignores the whole state super structure that holds up capitalism, as if capitalism is just the natural way things go, which is a-historical and empirically anod logically false.

[Lanky Wanker]

seventh, you need a car, and equipment.


He justified that one by saying you could tune by ear lol.

The biggest thing he's clearly not taking into consideration is that in terms of numbers it's not even possible for a significant amount of workers to start their own businesses. He could have at least suggested a co-op, but he's probably never heard of those. It's a common capitalist argument to ignore the majority and assume that 99% of wage labour slaves are perfectly fine with what they do, which brings up the "they should just work harder" crap.

[NGNM85]

Could've fooled me.