Most used form of repression used in your country?

[tom1992]

What is the most used form of repression used by the police against the people?
Besides the common cop with the massive armor we have:
In Chile they use tear gas, tear gas tanks, water tanks.

Some videos:

THIS WAS BY FAR THE MOST VIOLENT PROTEST, 04/august IN DECADES, MANY PEOPLE SAID IT WAS LIKE PINOCHET'S TIME. (does not show much, because it was during the night).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQllJn25B0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6DyJKkZ78&feature=related

Other:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsZhICSnWXU&feature=related

Video of the police vehicles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t38f_yQ6PeY&feature=related

Student protest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJI-b4dM3ys&feature=related

[Le Rouge]

Propaganda

[¿Que?]

Propaganda
Hey man they cut Victor Jara's tongue off, man. His fucking tongue. Fuck it, if this is propaganda, then we need more of this shit. NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

[Veovis]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/20/article-2063706-0EDE282A00000578-562_634x412.jpg

[Le Rouge]

Hey man they cut Victor Jara's tongue off, man. His fucking tongue. Fuck it, if this is propaganda, then we need more of this shit. NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

What? I don't understand

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Hey man they cut Victor Jara's tongue off, man. His fucking tongue. Fuck it, if this is propaganda, then we need more of this shit. NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
His hands actually...

[Veovis]

What? I don't understand

Victor Jara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Jara)

Or did you mean his reaction? I think he thought you were referring to this thread as propaganda.

[¿Que?]

Victor Jara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Jara)

Or did you mean his reaction? I think he thought you were referring to this thread as propaganda.
Yeah, or what'd I miss?

EDIT: Oh, now I feel really stupid...

[ellipsis]

Propaganda

Verbal warning for spam/one word post.

also

moved to P&P

[Rotront]

In Germany the cops are using Tonfas, watter cannons, armored vehicles, pepper spray, tear gas,weighted-knuckle gloves horses, dogs and sometimes flying drones and pepper balls. But they´ve got the BFE and very hard and effective anti riot tactics like "Wanderkessel mit 4 Reihen Spalier".
This is a special kind of kettling.

[Q]

Verbal warning for spam/one word post.

Most common repression on the forum is arbitrariness of BA ;)

But in the Netherlands I've regularly faced the riot police. Fortunately more as a show off than anything else. So far anyway. I've also had my kettling treatments and not to mention the diverse police loggings I'm in with the police and security services.

[GatesofLenin]

Here in Canada, it's intimidation. Police carrying loaded guns into public stores makes a big message "I'm the boss here!!!".

[tom1992]

Most common repression on the forum is arbitrariness of BA ;)

But in the Netherlands I've regularly faced the riot police. Fortunately more as a show off than anything else. So far anyway. I've also had my kettling treatments and not to mention the diverse police loggings I'm in with the police and security services.

How is the level of organization in the Netherlands?
I have never heard much from there.

[tom1992]

In Germany the cops are using Tonfas, watter cannons, armored vehicles, pepper spray, tear gas,weighted-knuckle gloves horses, dogs and sometimes flying drones and pepper balls. But they´ve got the BFE and very hard and effective anti riot tactics like "Wanderkessel mit 4 Reihen Spalier".
This is a special kind of kettling.

Yeah, here they also use horses and dogs...Poor animals.
Flying drones?? What is that :S?

Well when the protests around here get too big, they use helicopters.

[Le Rouge]

Verbal warning for spam/one word post.

also

moved to P&P

Propaganda is the most used form of repression.
Happy now?

[Tim Cornelis]

More recently, the police in the Netherlands used 250+ cops, most of them in riot gear, against 250 protesters on May 1th, not allowing us to move for a couple of hours, quite randomly breaking into the demonstration to arrest someone and not charge them with anything, and fabricating evidence for the media to show (e.g. demonstrators supposedly carried weapons, but no charges against those arrested) but failed to show the evidence to the media.

Also, the Netherlands has one of the highest phone monitoring rates in the world, with 28,000 official taps (that is excluding phone taps made by the civil and military secret services AIVD and MIVD).

But for the rest, the Netherlands is pretty relaxed (if you're legal that is).

[ellipsis]

Propaganda is the most used form of repression.
Happy now?

haha, yes. I thought you were simply denouncing the post as propaganda. lol

regardless, try to elaborate in the future.

[Ele'ill]

The worst in regards to repressing dissent I'd have to say out of the tear gas, pepper spray, grenades and rubber bullets the horse charges are the scariest.

[coda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Rouge http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2327183#post2327183)
Propaganda
Redson: Verbal warning for spam/one word post.

Really, is that span?!! This forum is so anal retentive.

have you never heard of the great intellectual quality of brevity?

[Firebrand]

The worst in regards to repressing dissent I'd have to say out of the tear gas, pepper spray, grenades and rubber bullets the horse charges are the scariest.
Yeah, if the cops shoot someone and they die there has to be some kind of inquiry. If they trample somone to death with a horse they can just say they lost control of the animal. And horses don't notice when they tread on people.

[Ele'ill]

Yeah, if the cops shoot someone and they die there has to be some kind of inquiry. If they trample somone to death with a horse they can just say they lost control of the animal. And horses don't notice when they tread on people.

Yeah, the horses are big enough that a 'bump' or 'step' can cause pretty bad injury in which case the police will say 'but i wuznt duing n e thing'. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you touch a horse (or dog) you can get 'assaulting an officer' charges. This isn't even taking into consideration the actual charges where the horses are used to quickly and violently push and trample people.

[Firebrand]

Yeah, the horses are big enough that a 'bump' or 'step' can cause pretty bad injury in which case the police will say 'but i wuznt duing n e thing'. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you touch a horse (or dog) you can get 'assaulting an officer' charges. This isn't even taking into consideration the actual charges where the horses are used to quickly and violently push and trample people.

Still could be worse, the cops could ride bulls with sharpened horns. Although the practicality of that is dubious. Didn't the egyptian govt use camel charges?

[The Young Pioneer]

I'd say in the US the biggest repression tool used (not just by police though) is capital. But that can be said of many countries...

[Le Rouge]

haha, yes. I thought you were simply denouncing the post as propaganda. lol

regardless, try to elaborate in the future.

sorry, I'll try my best to elaborate my posts next time.

[ellipsis]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you touch a horse (or dog) you can get 'assaulting an officer' charges.

You've seen Half Baked too many times. Still, you're probably right.

On a side note, I noticed that the siren feature on the common megaphone made a police dog at a BART protest go crazy and run in circle on leash.:laugh::laugh:

Being echoed around a subway station probably intensified the effects on the dog; I don't know if/how this could be replicated.

Also, I didn't see this, but apparently when SFPD used mounted officers to clear Justin Herman/Bradley Manning Plaza/#occupySF encampment, people were jumping up and down in front of the horse and yelling, which spooked the horses significantly, but eventually they were calmed down.

Not that I advocate anybody "assaulting an officer" in this manner...

[Q]

How is the level of organization in the Netherlands?
I have never heard much from there.

Whose organisation? That of the left? Small and irrelevant to nutshell it. The numbers of revolutionary activists may run in the few hundreds at best.

So yeah, you never hear about us.

[Leftsolidarity]

The worst in regards to repressing dissent I'd have to say out of the tear gas, pepper spray, grenades and rubber bullets the horse charges are the scariest.

Yeah, those horses make me want to shit my pants. I've only been in confrontation with them once or twice but they are really intimidating. They don't give a shit if you're in the way either. They're like "Fuck you, I'm a god damn horse." and they keep on going.

I'd say the pigs here like to use pepper spray and tear gas more than anything else.

[tom1992]

Yeah, those horses make me want to shit my pants. I've only been in confrontation with them once or twice but they are really intimidating. They don't give a shit if you're in the way either. They're like "Fuck you, I'm a god damn horse." and they keep on going.

I'd say the pigs here like to use pepper spray and tear gas more than anything else.

Here in Chile they always use tear gas, never used pepper spray but they use a lot the baton. The worst thing is when they throw tear gas inside buildings, one of the worst things. They used this a lot to attack my faculty this year. The worst thing is that tear gas is getting more powerful, lemon still works to lower the pain but not as good as before.

[Ele'ill]

You've seen Half Baked too many times.

Never seen it.

[Firebrand]

Also, I didn't see this, but apparently when SFPD used mounted officers to clear Justin Herman/Bradley Manning Plaza/#occupySF encampment, people were jumping up and down in front of the horse and yelling, which spooked the horses significantly, but eventually they were calmed down.

Not that I advocate anybody "assaulting an officer" in this manner...

The trouble with that is that although horses as a species are very easily spooked, police horses are carefully selected to be very calm and hard to spook, and then further trained so that very little surprises them. You could probably make them nervous but I wouldn't rely on it.
Also if you did manage to spook a police horse into bolting, it could have serious consequences, you don't know who it will tread on or run into.

[Prometeo liberado]

]What is the most used form of repression used by the police against the people?[/I]
Besides the common cop with the massive armor we have:
In Chile they use tear gas, tear gas tanks, water tanks.

Some videos:

THIS WAS BY FAR THE MOST VIOLENT PROTEST, 04/august IN DECADES, MANY PEOPLE SAID IT WAS LIKE PINOCHET'S TIME. (does not show much, because it was during the night).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQllJn25B0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6DyJKkZ78&feature=related

Other:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsZhICSnWXU&feature=related

Video of the police vehicles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t38f_yQ6PeY&feature=related

Student protest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJI-b4dM3ys&feature=related

At this point pretty sure its REVLEFT. OK calm down already. Sorry CommieTroll.

[tom1992]

At this point pretty sure its REVLEFT. OK calm down already. Sorry CommieTroll.

CommieTroll? Calm down?
I don't understand what you mean by that.

[ellipsis]

Never seen it.
N3ug0dVCyeE


The trouble with that is that although horses as a species are very easily spooked, police horses are carefully selected to be very calm and hard to spook, and then further trained so that very little surprises them. You could probably make them nervous but I wouldn't rely on it.
Also if you did manage to spook a police horse into bolting, it could have serious consequences, you don't know who it will tread on or run into.

I am just reporting what happened.

[ellipsis]

SFPD mostly uses batons at protests and their fists.

[eyeheartlenin]

I was gonna write that in the US everything quickly gets co-opted by the Democratic Party, widely known here as the graveyard of mass movements, so repression is unnecessary, but then I saw the picture of the uniformed sadist pepper-spraying non-violent occupiers, who were seated on the ground and no threat to anyone, so my original response is inaccurate. I conclude that any movement in the US that is independent of the big bourgeois parties can face real repression.

[Fawkes]

Fear.


Without a doubt, far more effective than any of the physical tactics used by police (though obviously the fear is largely the result of those tactics).

As far as physical weapons/tactics, most used in everyday life are tazers, pepper spray, nightsticks, and guns. For demonstrations, it's all those plus dogs/horses, stun grenades, nets for kettling, firehoses (though I don't believe they're used anywhere near as much as they used to be) and rubber bullets. Oh, and fists and feet.

The scariest has got to be horses. They're massive, completely unpredictable, and difficult to counterattack. I may not be into animal rights, but it'd be hard to bring myself to injure a horse, especially when an injured horse often equals a dead horse.

[Ele'ill]

Yeah, fear of legal action.

[Sheepy]

Bullets, Shotgun Shells, ya know, same old.

It is the South after all.