How can i live like a communist

[commieboy]

I mean there are certain things...like im in alot of sports, i need jogging suits, and shoes, and spikes for football and baseball. Im still growing so everyyear i probably buy a new pair of shoes, and running appearal. But i want quality stuff, stuff the salvation army cant supply me with. So i go to a sporting goods store....all they've got is Nike, Adidas, rebok....what am i supposed to get?

But lately i've been shopping at army surpluses, they've got good french jogging shoes. But i still think that it's aiding to the capitalist system. How can i shop like a commie?

[Al Creed]

Well, You buy this stuff because you NEED it, right?

Have you tried the Salvation Army, or a Used Sporting Goods Store?

[commieboy]

i dont know if i NEED the stuff, i do need it for my sports, but i dont know if that counts as a necesity because its for a sport....but i do remove the nike emblem....and Adidas..

i do occasionally shop at the salvation army, but i've got a phobia about used sporting goods....like pads and stuff, i dont like stuff that reaks of the sweat from another person...

[Al Creed]

well, then you have the stuff washed

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'm quite glad we're going to have some athletes in the revolution on our side. :)

[Bolshevika]

Stop playing sports.

[suffianr]

All this self-depreciating behaviour is driving me nuts.


But lately i've been shopping at army surpluses, they've got good french jogging shoes. But i still think that it's aiding to the capitalist system. How can i shop like a commie?

You can't shop like a commie unless:

a) You live in a country with a communist economy.

b) See above.

So, don't sweat it. Of course, it's logical to avoid purchasing products or services from companies that exploit their workers, but if you really need to get that $300 pair of Nike's then go ahead. No one is going to send you into the corner for that. It's your choice.

It's not like we're faced with terribly limited choices, either. You can always get the cheaper alternative, in any case, if you want to avoid spending heaps on stuff that you'll end up feeling guilty about later. But where does the guilt come from?

I love liquor.

A bottle of whisky at a club in Kuala Lumpur, depending on where you go, can cost anything between $200-$400 (plus corkage). Since I earn my own money, I sometimes like to go to clubs with friends and get fantastically pissed. There's a difference between buying a bottle at a supermarket for $60 and getting pissed with 3 friends at home, and going to a club with mad, pounding music, an assortment of scantily-clad, smiling women, free entrance ('coz you know the bouncers) and going for a kebab afterwards.

So, we chip in for a bottle or two, sometimes. Should I feel guilty? Sometimes I do, because I know that the money could have been used towards something other than just me. But I love getting pissed in clubs. Should I feel bad? Fuck no, because I don't do it every weekend, and it's my money.

So, don't think being a commie means having to live on the edge of austerity. If you can afford it, go for it. If you can't, then that's another story, isn't it?

There's a difference between being wasteful, and being chuffed with yourself because you just spent your money on something you really liked.

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 03:35 AM
Stop playing sports.
No way! Some of the best atheletes have been commuist! I can think back on the olympics the Russians ruled in certain categories as well as from other communist countries. Atheletes are good, especially if you excel at them. Dont stop!

Its really impossible to live as a Communist in the uS. But you can make choices such as, what do I need vs what do I want. I always keep that in the back of my mind whe shopping, even for food. I eat organic. I dont have the latest automobile, in fact I see my little truck working just fine for me for another 10 years. You could ask yourself , "What would Che do?" Now that should give you some guidelines! :D

[Kez]

use leaves as trainers.

I wouldnt worry too much man. maybe if you wear stuff that ses "made in EU" so at least those workers are paid better.

However, i still dont think you should worry too much. Whats a boycott gonna do? its gonna make the employer squeeze the worker even more, so your stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do you feed the worker piss on a drip, or let him/her die?

id go for the former. But, big BUT, this can only go if you are an active revolutionary, and have the long term to aim for, ie for socialist revolution, where in the long term you are benefiting the worker who made the trainer with freedom. I hope this helps.

Also i try to be nice to workers in shops, even if they give me piss for a coffee, or give me shit advice when i wanna buuy lets say a shirt for example. Especially train assistants, i always have my ticket ready, right way round, with a fat smile on my face to try and make their day a bit better. But again, this is fucking pointless unless i work to be a true revolutionary

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 11:35 PM
Stop playing sports.
stop posting

[Soviet power supreme]

Oh come on suffianr!

There is a big difference buying a liquor and product which is made by 13 years old indonesian child.

Boycotts are useless.We have to crush the companies.

What about the workers?

Damn they arent going to starve if they lose their jobs.Their wages are so small that they are better off without the job.

[Kez]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 17 2003, 06:34 PM
What about the workers?

Damn they arent going to starve if they lose their jobs.Their wages are so small that they are better off without the job.
hows that work then?

why make a statement that makes no fucking sense?

[Goldfinger]

SHUT THE FUCK UP SOVIET POWER SUPREME

[commieboy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 03:35 AM
Stop playing sports.
and that mentality is what's going to have you're three hundred pound ass shot when you think you can be a revolutionary and out of shape!

when you've got to run you're gonna have to stop and break for camp halfway....

Lets look at all of the Revolutionaries Che played soccer, Rugby, and golf...Fidel was almost a pro Baseball player.....IDK..i think lenin was more of a bookworm...but still im sure he could kick some ass, the manifest at high volicty can cause some serious damage.

So overweight out of shape couch potatos aren't going to get social eqaulity...just eat all of our food.

[Bolshevika]

and that mentality is what's going to have you're three hundred pound ass shot when you think you can be a revolutionary and out of shape!

I weigh 120 pounds

Anyway, I agree exercise is important, but no offense, most jocks are morons. All I'm suggesting is that maybe you should spend more time on studying the great five (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao) instead of playing sports all your life. Yes, real revolutionaries are in shape, but they have something that is far more dangerous than their weapons or bodies, the revolutionary theory of Karl Marx.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 09:19 PM
and that mentality is what's going to have you're three hundred pound ass shot when you think you can be a revolutionary and out of shape!

I weigh 120 pounds

Anyway, I agree exercise is important, but no offense, most jocks are morons. All I'm suggesting is that maybe you should spend more time on studying the great five (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao) instead of playing sports all your life. Yes, real revolutionaries are in shape, but they have something that is far more dangerous than their weapons or bodies, the revolutionary theory of Karl Marx.
AH YES the great Stalin and Mao
good reading <_<

[Bolshevika]

Let me tell you what, I prefer heroic communists like Stalin and Mao over someone who admired Hitler and Mussolini (Ghandi).

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 09:43 PM
Let me tell you what, I prefer heroic communists like Stalin and Mao over someone who admired Hitler and Mussolini (Ghandi).
Let me tell you what Mr. Future ElijahCraig

Ghandi only said that they were efficient leaders during their rule, and as a matter of fact, they were, that doesnt make them good people
but guess what, Stalin and Mao were the same way, they got things done, but at the cost of how many lives? alot
but im sure youd deny that
some heros you got there

I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION&#33;

[Bolshevika]

Ghandi only said that they were efficient leaders during their rule, and as a matter of fact, they were, that doesnt make them good people
but guess what, Stalin and Mao were the same way, they got things done, but at the cost of how many lives? alot
but im sure youd deny that
some heros you got there

Firstly, Elijah is a bit reactionary I&#39;m afraid to say (sorry Elijah, but you need to work on that mate)

Ahh, you bit into my trap friend.

You see, this proves your intolerance towards the pro-Stalin crowd is the same as the intolerance I showed to the pro-Ghandi crowd. You see, just like there are lies and things taken out of context about Ghandi, there are lies and things taken out of context about Stalin. Just imagine Ghandi, but with the United States as an enemy?

I&#39;m afraid this lie that Stalin and Mao killed millions is something only taught in the United States and Western Europe and other anti-communist countries. They fear a strong Communist, Stalin was close to putting in jeopardy the very existence of the Western bourgeoisie.

With a name like "liberal" I doubt you understand though. Carry on.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 09:54 PM

Ghandi only said that they were efficient leaders during their rule, and as a matter of fact, they were, that doesnt make them good people
but guess what, Stalin and Mao were the same way, they got things done, but at the cost of how many lives? alot
but im sure youd deny that
some heros you got there

Firstly, Elijah is a bit reactionary I&#39;m afraid to say (sorry Elijah, but you need to work on that mate)

Ahh, you bit into my trap friend.

You see, this proves your intolerance towards the pro-Stalin crowd is the same as the intolerance I showed to the pro-Ghandi crowd. You see, just like there are lies and things taken out of context about Ghandi, there are lies and things taken out of context about Stalin. Just imagine Ghandi, but with the United States as an enemy?

I&#39;m afraid this lie that Stalin and Mao killed millions is something only taught in the United States and Western Europe and other anti-communist countries. They fear a strong Communist, Stalin was close to putting in jeopardy the very existence of the Western bourgeoisie.

With a name like "liberal" I doubt you understand though. Carry on.
i understand that EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING is exaggerated in history, but that doesnt mean that it did not happen or should be dismissed as false

Ghandi is taken out of context, so is Stalin, so is Mao, so is everything

If you want to fall into the void and denial of history that is Stalinism and Maoism, then be my guest, I cant do anything about it, I dont even know why I care anymore about people like you

[Bolshevika]

It seems you readily accept the bourgeois/Anarchist/anti-communist/Trotskyist story over the pro-Stalin story. You are supposed to analyze both sides and decide which one makes more sense. I&#39;m afraid that here on Che-Lives, only one side is heard and that is the first one, hence their is strong anti-Stalin sentiment. That is somewhat sad considering this is a board dedicated to Che.

[commieboy]

dude....all the "Jocks" i know aren&#39;t ignorant assholes like you try and portray them....they&#39;ve got to maintain a passing average to stay on what ever team they are one...now they&#39;re not the world&#39;s best problem solvers, but would you with you&#39;re 120 pound self want to stand in the shadow of a three hundred pound- all muscle lineman and tell him that his hours on the football field have done nothing?

Don&#39;t call the "Jocks" morons or stupid
A: because they&#39;ll kick the living shit out of you and all of your family
B: they&#39;ll beat the living shit out of just you
C: they probably get better grades than most people here....

Dont be sterotypical....my school isn&#39;t like Jocks with Jocks, Goths with Goths and losers, or outcasts, everyone&#39;s friends with atleast someone from another social group....

[suffianr]

There is a big difference buying a liquor and product which is made by 13 years old indonesian child.

What are you on about? I haven&#39;t tried Indonesian liquor yet.

[Yazman]

"Firstly, Elijah is a bit reactionary I&#39;m afraid to say (sorry Elijah, but you need to work on that mate)


Ahh, you bit into my trap friend.



With a name like "liberal" I doubt you understand though. Carry on.


Fuck you. You didn&#39;t need to include those little insults, those small jabs at him. Why the fuck did you even bother including them? Seriously, just fuck off and don&#39;t bother posting here again if you&#39;re going to be a useless asshole including pointless insults in everything you say to a person.

Just say the main points and finish. No insults are needed.

[Mike Fakelastname]

You know, I don&#39;t think this would be considered very moral, but you wouldn&#39;t be contributing to the wealth of capitalists if you just stole the shoes. Eh? Eeeeeeeeh?

[Kez]

no but the capitalist will squeeze the worker in order to get the money back from stolen goods

[Mike Fakelastname]

That&#39;s true I suppose, but one stolen pair of shoes wont make any difference. But if everyone did that, it would. So best to just be moral and not steal them.

[Soviet power supreme]

Ah a deontologist.

How it would make difference?That everybody has pair of shoes?

[Bolshevika]

Just say the main points and finish. No insults are needed.

Alright Yazman, I&#39;m sorry, you&#39;re right, I&#39;ll stop.







Just kidding.

[RedComrade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 01:19 AM
All I&#39;m suggesting is that maybe you should spend more time on studying the great five (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao) instead of playing sports all your life.
Mao spent a signifigant portion of his time swimming up untill his dying days.

[commieboy]

I am currently off and on reading Robert Services&#39; lenin, i alway&#39;s brush up on my Manifesto reading its on my coffee table and in my bedroom. Stalin is at the end of the list for reading about....but i&#39;ve read Mao&#39;s quotations, and his views on Guerilla warfare....and as for che, i&#39;ve got about fifteen biographies and/or books written by him, and the last one i got was the che handbook which isnt a book you sit down and read....

So are sports cutting into my learning??

[Hiero]

So many arguments that are off topic

[Al Creed]

Originally posted by RedComrade+Nov 25 2003, 08:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedComrade @ Nov 25 2003, 08:17 PM)
[email protected] 18 2003, 01:19 AM
All I&#39;m suggesting is that maybe you should spend more time on studying the great five (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao) instead of playing sports all your life.
Mao spent a signifigant portion of his time swimming up untill his dying days. [/b]
You are correct, Mao was an advid swimmer. He loved being active in the water. In fact, he did a great lot of thinking in the waters of China, I&#39;ve read.