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Sasha
24th December 2011, 11:02
Thousands surge into Moscow for vote-rigging protest
Demonstrators in Moscow held a poster of Vladimir Putin draped in a condom after he compared the protest symbol of a white ribbon to a sheath
Related StoriesMedvedev urges bold Russia reformProfile: Blogger Alexei NavalnyViewpoint: Russian Spring?Thousands of people have gathered in central Moscow to protest against allegedly rigged parliamentary polls.
A sea of demonstrators stretched along Sakharov Avenue, a few miles from the Kremlin, in sub-zero temperatures.
Rallies are taking place across Russia, with the first big protest in the far eastern city of Vladivostok.
In the capital, Moscow, organisers expect some 50,000 people to gather for speeches by opposition figures.
President Dmitry Medvedev announced political reforms this week, but many demonstrators say it is not enough.
They are demanding a re-run of the poll, which was won by the party of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin - but with a much smaller share of the overall vote.
The Moscow mayor's office is reportedly laying on tea and simple hot food from field kitchens.
Security is tight in the city, with 40 busloads of riot police lined up along the avenue, according to Russian media.
'On the backfoot'At least 20,000 people had turned out in Moscow, law and order source told Russian news agencies as the rally began at 14:00 (10:00 GMT).
A police official who spoke to AFP news agency said there was space for 50,000 on the avenue.
In Moscow, protesters clutched white balloons and banners with the slogan "For Free Elections" as the rally began.
This is a huge, mass movement of Muscovites, the BBC's Daniel Sandford reports from the scene.
Saturday's rally in Moscow - authorised by the authorities - has been organised by a coalition of opposition forces.
Some 47,000 people have already vowed on Facebook to attend, and another 10,000 say they may join the demonstration.
In Vladivostok, demonstrators carried posters calling for Mr Putin to be put on trialAmong those due to attend the event is prominent anti-Kremlin blogger Alexei Navalny, following his release from prison after taking part in another demonstration in Moscow on 10 December.
The 22 speakers expected in Moscow include Mr Putin's presidential challenger Mikhail Prokhorov and former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
Apart from politicians, the eclectic line-up includes rock musician Yuri Shevchuk, speaking by video link, detective fiction writer Boris Akunin, Urals anti-heroin campaigner Yevgeny Roizman and satirist Viktor Shenderovich.
Organisers said as many as 50,000 people rallied on 10 December, in what was the biggest anti-government protest since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
The opposition has been encouraged by that success, forcing the Kremlin on the backfoot.
On Thursday, Mr Medvedev proposed to hold direct elections of regional governors and simplify the procedure for registering political parties, but protesters say the concessions do not go far enough, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Moscow says.
However, one of the main problems for the opposition is that there is no single leader able to unite it, our correspondent adds.
'Flawed elections'According to the official results of the elections to Russia's Duma, the ruling United Russia party saw its share of the vote fall from 64% to 49%, though it remains easily the biggest party.
But there is a widespread view, fuelled by mobile phone videos and accounts on internet social networking sites, that there was wholesale election fraud and that Mr Putin's party cheated its way to victory.
The Kremlin denies the claim.
At a rally in Vladivostok, demonstrators carried posters calling for Mr Putin to be put on trial and regional MP Artyom Samsonov said the election results should be cancelled.


Twitter is full with tweets about a massive turn out and a lot more resolved/aggressive attitude with the protesters against putin.

B.K.
24th December 2011, 11:52
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As for me, this time I'm not going anywhere. There are too many liberals and populists among the organizers... I also don't like their pro-reelection position.

Tim Cornelis
24th December 2011, 12:55
Always nice to see flags of the fascist Slavic Union and the Communist Party side by side.

Ocean Seal
24th December 2011, 15:53
This is exciting news. The only shame would be if this is coopted by reactionary parties like the CP who released a statement saying that the people shouldn't protest like the orange "provocateurs". The CP and United Russia are the same shit. Hopefully a bourgeois democratic revolution can spread to Russia like it did in Egypt and disillusioned party members of the CP can start a genuine revolutionary movement.

Omsk
24th December 2011, 16:09
Hopefully a bourgeois democratic revolution can spread to Russia like it did in Egypt and disillusioned party members of the CP can start a genuine revolutionary movement.


Are you serious?

Ocean Seal
24th December 2011, 16:18
Are you serious?
Unless you genuinely think that a proletarian revolution is immediately possible at the moment that is probably as good as it is going to get. Bourgeois democracy will allow the genuine communist movement to spring forth into a new birth, especially during the starting years of bourgeois democracy. Imagine if all of the current underground communist movements are allowed into the parliament and the good comrades under the CP leave it and join those movements. It will reconstruct a mass party and be able to coordinate strikes, build worker's unions, and lead mass protests against capitalism. When this becomes available the workers will realize that they can conquer state power.
Revolution, done and done. Do not forget that the Bolsheviks needed the transition between the authoritarian capitalism of the czar to the bourgeois capitalism of the provisional government. That is why I cheer on the bourgeois democratic revolution, as a means and not an end.

Omsk
24th December 2011, 17:15
Unless you genuinely think that a proletarian revolution is immediately possible at the moment that is probably as good as it is going to get. Bourgeois democracy will allow the genuine communist movement to spring forth into a new birth, especially during the starting years of bourgeois democracy. Imagine if all of the current underground communist movements are allowed into the parliament and the good comrades under the CP leave it and join those movements. It will reconstruct a mass party and be able to coordinate strikes, build worker's unions, and lead mass protests against capitalism. When this becomes available the workers will realize that they can conquer state power.
Revolution, done and done. Do not forget that the Bolsheviks needed the transition between the authoritarian capitalism of the czar to the bourgeois capitalism of the provisional government. That is why I cheer on the bourgeois democratic revolution, as a means and not an end.
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There would be a lot of foreign factors that could,and certianly would try to eliminate the leftist political structures.Just as in 1917.But i am not sure if the left could fight them off.The situation in Russia 1917 and Russia 2011 is hardly comparable.
What you are saying may sound good,but it is unlikely that the power structures of the CP would change,and lets not forget the possibility that some other political bodies could use that opportunity.

Rusty Shackleford
24th December 2011, 19:17
This is exciting news. The only shame would be if this is coopted by reactionary parties like the CP who released a statement saying that the people shouldn't protest like the orange "provocateurs". The CP and United Russia are the same shit. Hopefully a bourgeois democratic revolution can spread to Russia like it did in Egypt and disillusioned party members of the CP can start a genuine revolutionary movement.
russia is already a deformed bourgeois democracy.

Robespierre Richard
24th December 2011, 20:26
I've been closely following the whole thing for the past few weeks and still can't tell what the hell is going on. Here's what I can put together:

1. There is no single opposition, just separate factions that refuse to work together.
2. Nobody has any ideas on what to do.
3. CPRF's Zyuganov has the highest rating of all the candidates for presidential elections in March, except Putin.
4. Even without massive manipulations Putin will probably win, unless there is a runoff election in which case there will probably be some sort of political crisis.
5. The opposition's disunity and lack of ideas has basically destroyed the popular appeal of the meetings and made it a tighter and more familiar, but at the same much more narrow group of people.
6. The great mass of people are probably going to be more disillusioned with politics than before, as this time around the government gave up trying to suppress information about the meetings and decided to both cover them in the press and not have police beat people up or provocateurs create problems, which has led people to see that nobody really cares and that there are no leaders to organize the whole movement into something coherent.

Fin.

Qayin
24th December 2011, 22:03
livestream?