White privilege and Whites becoming a minority ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

Many White Nationalists say that White Supremacy/White privilege is not a threat to anyone because Whites are becoming a minority in the Western nations are they correct ? In my view just because Whites are a minority on the planet earth doesn't mean White Privilege doesn't exist Whites were and are a minority in South Africa yet they have the power the Zionists and Jews in general are a minority in Palestine yet have the power. Whites were a minority in Rhodesia yet had the power. the Wealthy Capitalists are a minority yet have the power what does everyone think ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

[kahimikarie]

"Minority" in the sociological sense refers to economic/political power "minorities." Hence black people in South Africa being a minority, and women being minorities despite outnumbering men slightly. Just outnumbering whites won't make people of color suddenly have power, as all of our institutions were created ingrained with capitalist/racist/sexist etc values. Those white supremacists are just (surprise) ignorant/wrong about what the term "minority" and "white privilege" mean.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Thanks for your useful post.

[RedScot24/11/1859]

I'm not particularly bothered, why does it matter if whites become a minority or even end as an ethnic group? What's so special about whites?

And they rarely even define "white", after all you can't exactly say that some one from Ireland is the same ethnicity as some one from Russia, despite sharing a skin colour.

[workersadvocate]

When racists speak of "whites", they actually only include those bourgeois and petty bourgeois types--and their wannabes and scabs---who could get a pass in a fundie church setting and who appear to be exclusively of northern European ancestry.

Never let the racists and fascists trick working people onto believing their interests are championed by "white race" crusading. They see "white" working people who won't scab and don't act like wannabe middle class...as "white trash" and worse.
Unemployed? In racist eyes, not "white" enough.
"On welfare"? In racist eyes, not "white" enough.
Gay or lesbian? In racist eyes, definitely not "white".
Have any sort of pro-worker social philosophy, and support unionization? In racist eyes, this makes you "commie scum", and commies are considered to be archenemies of everything "white".
Don't believe in Jesus or some god that clearly prefers "whites"? Atheists are regarded by most racists to be about as bad for them as communism is, and here's where their anti-semitism and anti-Islam shit fits their outlook too. None are considered "white".
Don't own anything? In racist eyes, private ownership is a "white" thing, and those who don't own are losers who aren't "white" enough.


What this means taken together is that the vast majority of working people, including those who "look white" and self-identify as "white", are not considered so by most organized politically active racists. "Whites" in this sense are already a minority, and considering what is actually meant by "white" is an unflinching defence of exploitation and oppression, all working people of the world have an interest in its eternal demise. "White" is a class stratification thing, and always was. Proletarian revolutionaries should not let sections of our class be fooled into believing they are "white" or have any common interests with their exploiters and oppressrs based merely on ethnic ancestry. The ties that most unite us workers of the world together, enough that we will be able to abolish relations of exploitation and oppression forever, is our common class interests. That's why I as a working person who "looks white" know that I have so much more in common with workers in every corner of the planet, despite language and cultural and etnic differences, than I could ever have with the exploiters who might "look like me", speak my language, etc.

To fight racism, to totally destroy it at the source, we must minimize the potential for our class enemies to attract and mobilize a mass force capable of opposing a rising international workers' mass movement. After all, proletarian revolution succeeds when the whole of society is under working class rule and the exploiters' side is entirely incapable of further resistance against proletarian rule and the building of socialist society. Objectively based on class interests, 67% or more of the general population should side with our proletarian revolution. However, unfortunately that's not where the current consciousness and activity of our class is yet. Comrades, our task is to rectify this problem, so that our class can win decisively in the "final conflict". That will require a fundamental realignment of working people who are presently--in consciousness and activity---giving support and sanctuary to our class enemies side, and who mistakenly identify with the exploiters and oppressers over against the proletariat.
That's the harm "whiteness" does to our class! For whose interests?

Against this misidentification with the forces and interests of our exploiters and oppressors, class consciousness must be forged and cultivated over all else
Class consciousness strengthens and spreads most through class struggles, especially when a maximum possible segment of our class is actively directly inescapably involved in a struggle for our class interests. Bridging the divides within our class requires that the whole class fights for the interests of the most specially oppressed of our class, while specially oppressed working people align fully with the international prolerariat and seek to abolish their special oppressions through the international proletarian revolution. Neither has been done enough and consistently. Until we practice the class principle "an injury to one is an injury to all", we're stuck in exploitative and oppressive society. We are the working class 67%, and we'd better start acting like it and seeing the world in that light. Holding anything above that is to maintain our chains rather than begin to break them.

[Nox]

It's kind of ironic how white nationalists etc are so anti-communism, what they don't realise is that capitalism is what's causing the demographic decline of white people (see: Russia)

[Princess Luna]

I find the whole idea of whites even becoming a numerical minority to be extremely absurd , whites make up 72.4% of the US in 2010, in 1960 whites made up 80% of the US. That's a 7.6% percent drop in the last 50 years. At this rate it will take whites 430 years to reach a number equal to the current Hispanic population in the US (16%).

[workersadvocate]

I find the whole idea of whites even becoming a numerical minority to be extremely absurd , whites make up 72.4% of the US in 2010, in 1960 whites made up 80% of the US. That's a 7.6% percent drop in the last 50 years. At this rate it will take whites 430 years to reach a number equal to the current Hispanic population in the US (16%).

The statistics you bring up define "whites" way too broady for the tastes and purposes of the organized racists. They define "white" quite narrowly, as I was trying to illustrate above. In fact, there is even a "natural racial heirarchy" at least implied by racist conceptions, which is basically a social darwinist ranking of those both outside and within "whites", and none of us should be shocked to discover that this heirarchical ranking mirrors the bourgeois class and social stratifications, as well as petty bourgeois aspirations, privileges and antagonisms.
The apple of racism didn't fall far from the tree that births and sustains it, capitalism.
It is not enough to focus only on the worms feeding on that apple. We must cut down and root out the tree, while replacing it with a far different plant with far different fruits.

"Whites", in the ways that racist enemies narrowly define themselves, are already a minority. Its a mistake to adopt a broader definition of "white", because this allows that narrow exploiter oppressive good ol boys club within the ruling and middle classes to seem to have populist maverick appeal. We need exactly the opposite to happen...to isolate the exploiter classes from the working class, to thoroughly alienate working people who "look white" from every segment of the exploiter classes including bourgeois and petty bourgeois "whites", to fully realign such working people with the international proletariat as a whole and as a class-for-itself. When workers consider themselves "white", our class enemies win. "White" has never been just about ethnicity; it is alwsys loaded with class interests opposing the international proletariat. The truth is that self-identifying "white" working people have been tricked into believing that they are part of a large "in-group" with enough common interests to align with the ruling exploiters over against our interests as part of the working class. In response, we should say thatt such workers aren't actually "white, aren't part of that fucking apartheid exploiter caste at all, but belong to the great majority of humanity in the international working class.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I find the whole idea of whites even becoming a numerical minority to be extremely absurd , whites make up 72.4% of the US in 2010, in 1960 whites made up 80% of the US. That's a 7.6% percent drop in the last 50 years. At this rate it will take whites 430 years to reach a number equal to the current Hispanic population in the US (16%). I was going to say "but there might be an exponential growth curve that you're missing by only going by those two figures"

But then workersadvocate made me remember that they're racial purity up the wazoo
I fucking hate /pol/

[Krano]

It's kind of ironic how white nationalists etc are so anti-communism, what they don't realise is that capitalism is what's causing the demographic decline of white people (see: Russia)
Actually ive been browsing on some WS websites lately and they seem to be agains't Capitalism as well, but they blame it on Marxism (i'm not kidding).

[KR]

I find the whole idea of whites even becoming a numerical minority to be extremely absurd , whites make up 72.4% of the US in 2010, in 1960 whites made up 80% of the US. That's a 7.6% percent drop in the last 50 years. At this rate it will take whites 430 years to reach a number equal to the current Hispanic population in the US (16%).
White supremacists dont include hispanics as white so by they definition the us is only 64,7% white and will only be 46,3% white by 2050.

[red revolution 23]

Actually ive been browsing on some WS websites lately and they seem to be agains't Capitalism as well, but they blame it on Marxism (i'm not kidding).

lol yea, they think that marxists and capitalists are allied together in a zionist conspiracy