Was marx crazy?

[sypher]

I was talking to a well educated classmate who told me that many writings of Karl Marx (that were not published) show him to be somewhat insane. he gave me examples on how he would rant on about how he wanted to send god to hell etc

could anyone shine some light on the subject for me. any collection of marxs' unpublished materials would be grand

[redstar2000]

If I'm not mistaken, virtually all of the writings of Marx and Engels have been published...at least in Russian, if not in English.

Ask your "well-educated" classmate where he gets this idea, what his sources are, etc.

I think it will turn out to be just some right-wing crank blowing smoke out of his ass.

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[Comrade Ceausescu]

Red Star,you stole the words from my mouth

[sypher]

:D thank you much

[bush youth]

It's crazy to want to send God to hell?

[YKTMX]

Was Karl Marx a Satanist?


Father Paul Leonard, B. Ph., S.T.B., M. Div. writes:

In his book, Was Karl Marx a Satanist, Richard Wurmbrant produces a very revealing quote form the Soviet newspaper Vechernaa Moskva, which states the true purpose of Communism. The quotation runs: "We do not fight against believers and not even against clergymen. We fight against God to snatch believers from Him."

This kind of statement is a rare instance of where the Communists state their true purpose in the same terms that Karl Marx outlined his program in his poetry, private correspondence and in his early philosophical works. These writings expose the true purpose of Marxism: Marx was not a humanitarian who desired the betterment of the human race, but a satanist who lusted for humanity's ruin.

In the satanic poem, Oulanem, Marx wrote: "Soon I shall embrace eternity to my breast, and soon I shall howl gigantic curses on mankind. " In the same work he also wrote: "If there is something which devours, I'll leap within it, though I bring the world to ruins, the world . . . I will smash to pieces with my enduring curses."

Marx did not combat religion as though it were a false superstition that professes belief in a God that in reality does not exist. Marx makes it clear that God does really exist, and he combats against religion because he hates God. This he unequivocally states in his Invocation of One in Despair, where he writes: "I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above . . . "a God has snatched from me my all in the curse and rack of destiny . . . nothing but revenge is left to me!"

Similar expressions of blasphemous hatred toward God are also to be found in the writings of Lenin, who referred to the notion of God as "an unspeakable abomination" and "a loathsome pestilence". Lenin also spoke on one occasion saying: "I prefer a millionaire, exploiting atheist to a believing workman, because God is my personal enemy. "

Communism is not a social system. Its purpose is not the noble ideal of abolishing economic injustice by establishing social equality. "The true purpose of Communism," Richard Wurmbrant explains, "is to mock God and to praise satan." The reason for this is that Karl Marx was a satanist. In a letter of his son Edgar, addressed to his father, Marx is addressed with the startling words, "dear Devil". This is the way satanists write. In a letter of August 1844, Marx's wife addresses him as follows: "Your last pastoral letter, high priest and bishop of souls, has again given quiet rest and peace to your poor sheep." Wurmbrant points out that "The only European religion which has high priests is the satanist one."

Communism is anti-God because it is satan oriented, and therefore it is utterly perverse. This is the reason why Pope Pius XI condemned it in his Encyclical, Divini Redemptoris, saying, "See to it Venerable Brethren, that the Faithful do not allow themselves to be deceived! Communism is intrinsically perverse, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking

[Invader Zim]

"What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn’t you consider that to be insane?"

Just to quote a fictional mass murderer from a rather boring action movie.

[canikickit]

I'm quite surprised that Marx and Lenin personified God so.

But this Richard Wurmbrant character seems like a pretty shitty writer, at best.

He got this:


This kind of statement is a rare instance of where the Communists state their true purpose in the same terms that Karl Marx outlined his program in his poetry, private correspondence and in his early philosophical works. These writings expose the true purpose of Marxism: Marx was not a humanitarian who desired the betterment of the human race, but a satanist who lusted for humanity's ruin.

From this:


"We do not fight against believers and not even against clergymen. We fight against God to snatch believers from Him."

"A leap of faith"?

[j.guevara]

" if there is a Something which devours, I'll leap in it, though i bring the world to ruins... that would really be living."-Karl Marx

[Jesus Christ]

every genius is a little bit crazy
take me for example :lol:

[j.guevara]

hahaha guess i should have read the article before i posted that im an idiot

[ComradeRobertRiley]

K Marx wasnt religious, he didnt beleive in heaven or hell so why would he say that as though if there was a god to send to hell???

[Pete]

I think Kruschev said at one time "We say hell not out of conviction but out of habit."

That is my answer to your question CRR...

Religious people are rather useless when they start labelling aethiests as being 'satanists' or something like that. It is rather silly. It is like on the evangelical radio where people prove god exists using equations that require you to believe that god exists in the first place. Basically I am saying that People like Wurmbrant are spouting shit, as noone outside their belief system thinks what they are saying means a thing. I mean, if you don't believe in satan how does this arguement make sense?

[redstar2000]

If the quotations attributed to Marx are legitimate (highly doubtful), then they most likely belong to the school of German romanticism that strongly appealed to the educated youth of that country in the early 19th century. One is generally not held responsible for "schoolboy poetry" unless one makes a career of it.

A letter addressed to Marx "dear Devil" is obviously meant to be humorous.

The quotations attributed to Lenin are also highly dubious. In particular, the one about the "atheist exploiter" and the "believing worker" rings false; Lenin is on record advising his party not to raise religious matters with workers who are otherwise supportive of the party's aims.

It's also said, by the way, that Bakunin was a "satanist"...supposedly, he once wrote that if people "had" to believe in something, it would be much better if they "believed in Satan" as the "great rebel". I'm skeptical about that one too.

It has always been my observation that if anyone is entitled to have their mental health questioned, it is believers as a group. Certainly a "rough and ready" definition of "insanity" would include believing in things that don't exist.

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[hazard]

modern psychiatry seems to base its defintions of insanity on any who hold or share in socialist principles. I think that somebody sat down and went through the manifesto and highlighted all the beliefs, changed the names and decided to call them crazy. like, if you believe in a ruling class you're called a paranoid delusional. or if you are upset over your living conditions you are classified as a manic depressive.

[Guerilla Of The Red Star]

Marx was not crazy nor were his ideas. he never took it into consideration that the human psychy would not allow communism to work, but his ideas revolutionized the way workers are treated and he politically motivated people like vladimir lenin. his ideas were geinus but in a way far fetched

[sanpal]

I don't remember word for word one of Marx's sentences from his correspondence with one of his friends where he told him that it would not be so bad if they (Marx&Engels' group) put into a prison and even they could be killed, but it would be worst of all when future generations spit to them and call them as a crazy men.

I consider most of persons still don't understand Marx's and Engels' idea which is an economic aspect first of all and 'communist manifesto' (politic aspect) is consequence of first one.

[redstar2000]

Marx was not crazy nor were his ideas. He never took it into consideration that the human psych[olog]y would not allow communism to work...

Why do people keep repeating this bourgeois crap?

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[peaccenicked]

'Crazy'. It is strange but Marx had a sense of humour and he might of thought sometimes that he was. In a letter of his he writes. "Never has someone written so much about money and had so little". However, The term is meant as derogratory and I would laugh at it too as a diversion from the actual sanity of Marx's ideas.
There is another issue here, that is the stigmatisation of people that suffer from mental health problems. Many people in this area have had their views and humanity belittled. Stigmatisation along with sexism and racism belong
in the same camp of enemy and that is bourgeois prejudice.
According to Engels in his correspondence, Marx in his later life did suffer from bouts of depression which came after the Paris Commune and defeat
of the first shot at European wide revolution. To me that is a very human reaction to disappointment on the large scale.
Crazy. I ll Show you crazy ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :( :( :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :D

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by bush [email protected] 16 2003, 03:49 PM
It's crazy to want to send God to hell?
More importantly, would Hell be Hell if God was there? What is the point. If being a communist and supporting human rights is wrong, than I'd rather be in Hell because that would make God a fascist and who wants to live in the kingdom of a fascist? I don't believe in such a god, this view of god is just a justification to exploit people and it is all to common. That is what Marx was against.

[Charred_Phoenix]

My plan for the afterlife:

1. Go to hell for being a communist.
2. Overthrow the devil.
3. Bombard heaven with socialist propaganda and fund a revolution there.

:D



There is another issue here, that is the stigmatisation of people that suffer from mental health problems. Many people in this area have had their views and humanity belittled.


Indeed, Nietzsche was about as crazy as they come. Still, his ideas are absolutely brilliant.

[redstar2000]

Indeed, Nietzsche was about as crazy as they come. Still, his ideas are absolutely brilliant.

:huh:

As in "When thou goest unto woman to teach, forget not thy whip."???

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[Charred_Phoenix]

Don't take everything so literally. :P