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tradeunionsupporter
14th December 2011, 02:20
I think that the difference is that many Christians and Muslims may be anti Judaism is in a religious sense not in a racist sense. I have never seen Muslims be anti Judaism because of a Jewish person's ancestry I think if a Muslim is anti Judaism it has more to do with religion then with ancestry. Many Muslims don't dislike Jews as people they dislike the religion of Judaism just like most Marxists dislike all religion. When I was a Christian I may of disliked Judaism but I was never a White Supremacist or a Nazi. My point is don't compare Muslim anti Judaism to Hitler's anti semitism Hitler and the Nazis hatred Jews because of their ancestry which was wrong. Does anyone agree that there is a difference between Anti Judaism and Anti Semitism ? Many Atheists criticize Judaism but they are not anti semitic. Read Chrisopher Hitchen's Book God is not great he criticizes Judaism he himself is of Jewish ancestry he criticizes Judaism but he is not anti semitic.

December 13, 2010

Christopher Hitchens's Jewish Problem

By Benjamin Kerstein (http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/authors/detail/benjamin-kerstein)

Hitchens's bestselling atheist jeremiad, God is Not Great (2007), provides an excellent overview of its author's sentiments on the topic of Jews and Judaism. While the book is ostensibly opposed to all religions equally, Hitchens goes out of his way not merely to criticize Judaism but to portray it in the ugliest possible terms, invoking many of the classic themes of anti-Semitism in order to do so.

http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/content/module/2010/12/13/main-feature/1/christopher-hitchenss-jewish-problem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens%27s_political_views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Is_Not_Great

Anti-Judaism
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Anti-Judaism has been called "a total or partial opposition to Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism)—and to Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews) as adherents of it—by persons who accept a competing system of beliefs and practices and consider certain genuine Judaic beliefs and practices as inferior."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-0)

Contrasted with antisemitism

"The question of the relation of traditional Christian anti-Judaism and modern antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism)" has "ignite[d] explosive debates" among scholars.[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-50)
Whereas, according to historian Gavin Langmuir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Langmuir), anti-Judaism is concerned with exaggerated accusations against Jews which nonetheless contain a particle of truth or evidence, antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism) (which dates back in Europe to the 12th and 13th centuries) reaches beyond unusual general inferences and is concerned with false suppositions.[52] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-Abu77-51) Thus Langmuir considers the labelling of Jews as 'Christ-killers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ-killer)' is anti-Judaic; accusations of well-poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-poisoning), on the other hand, he regards as antisemitic.[52] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-Abu77-51) In his view, anti-Judaism and antisemitism have existed side by side from the 12th century onwards and have strengthened each other ever since.[53] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-52) The blood libel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel_against_Jews) is another example of antisemitism, though it is based in distorted notions of Judaism.
Anti-Judaism is also often distinguished from antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism) based upon racial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)) or ethnic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity) grounds (racial antisemitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism)). "The dividing line was the possibility of effective conversion . . . a Jew ceased to be a Jew upon baptism." However, with racial antisemitism, "Now the assimilated Jew was still a Jew, even after baptism ... . From the Enlightenment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment) onward, it is no longer possible to draw clear lines of distinction between religious and racial forms of hostility towards Jews... Once Jews have been emancipated and secular thinking makes its appearance without leaving behind the old Christian hostility towards Jews, the new term antisemitism becomes almost unavoidable, even before explicitly racist doctrines appear."[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-53)
At several points in the history of Christianity, Chrysostom's and Luther's writings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_and_antisemitism) have been used to justify antisemitism.

Islamic anti-Judaism

A prominent place in the Qur'anic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an) polemic against the Jews is given to the conception of the religion of Abraham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham). The Qur'an presents Muslims as neither Jews nor Christians but followers of Abraham who was in a physical sense the father of the Jews and the Arabs and lived before the revelation of Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah). In order to show that the religion practiced by the Jews is not the pure religion of Abraham, the Qur'an mentions the incident of worshiping of the calf, argues that Jews do not believe in part of the revelation given to them, and that their taking of usury shows their worldliness and disobedience of God. Furthermore, the Quran claim they attribute to God what he has not revealed. In his polemic against Judaism, Ibn Hazm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Hazm) provided a polemical list of what he considered "chronological and geographical inaccuracies and contradictions; theological impossibilities (anthropomorphic expressions, stories of fornication and whoredom, and the attributing of sins to prophets), as well as lack of reliable transmission (tawatur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawatur)) of the text".[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-EoI-54)[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism#cite_note-EoI-Tahrif-55)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Judaism

Anti-Semitism or Anti-Judaism?
I will start with the definition of anti-Semitism given in the Encyclopedia Judaica, published in Jerusalem in 1971: "Anti-semitism is a term coined by the German, Wilhelm Marr, in 1879, to designate the then current anti-Jewish campaign in Europe. Anti-semitism came into general use as a term denoting all forms of, hostility towards the Jews throughout history." The encyclopedia adds that it is often qualified by an adjective denoting specific anti-Jewish passion, for example, "economic anti-semitism," "racial antisemitism," and so on.
I found, in all the discussions I took part in, that the word anti-Semitism was used by Jews (including myself when I was not on my guard), and anti-Judaism by Christians. On the whole, Jews did not know how anti-Judaism was supposed to differ from anti-Semitism, while Christians felt that they did - that it was a technical term describing Christian antagonism to Judaism as a religion and in particular to Jewish/Christian religious differences as distinct from any social effects. No Jew I spoke to, with exceptions I will discuss in a moment, thought that Christian anti-Judaism was limited or could be so limited in this way. The encyclopedia definition of anti-Semitism was thought to be accurate and inclusive of so-called anti-Judaism.
Christian anti-Judaism was considered to be a form of hostility not only to the Jewish religion as such, but impossible to divorce from those who practice it even if Christian speakers might disclaim anti-Semitism with statements about "Jewish friends" and "good Jews" that they know The exceptions I thought were extremely interesting. These were Jewish women, born and brought up in Israel and now living in Britain; they identified as "anti-Zionist Israelis" and are politically active in raising consciousness in Britain among women concerning the Intifada and supporting Muslim women against fundamentalism. One of these Israeli women asked me what I meant by anti-Semitism, suggesting that it could be used about all Semitic races. I realized that Jews who have lived their lives in Israel are the only ones who could have asked that question. This woman thought, having heard me, that the Israelis were anti-Semitic about Arabs - although this discounted the long Jewish history and its burdens.
The use of the word anti-Judaism seems to me to be very new in Britain. A 1986 issue of the Journal of Jewish/Christian Relations 1 concentrated on questions concerning Christians, Jews and the women's movement - incidentally all the contributions were from the United States. Most writers did not use the term anti-Judaism at all, but Katerina von Kellenbach did once refer to it in her paper on Christian feminist theology, averring that much of it was the remnant of Christian exegesis and dogmatics. She then went on to criticize the work of Christian feminists today for its anti-Jewish tendencies.
The fact is that Jews, myself among them, find it almost impossible to distinguish between texts of Christian anti-Jewish polemic and actions derived from them. John Cobb, Jr. (quoted in the journal) wrote: "The ugliest of all Christian crimes is our crime against the Jews." I am not sure I would go along with that. Beside that crime is the crime against women and witches, and all are connected. It is my opinion that an attempt to concentrate solely on anti-Judaism in academic terms without any appreciation of the effects and history in terms of violence and prejudice, unending over the generations, that stem directly from it, adds to a Jewish sense that yet again we are being at best, marginalized, and at worst dismissed entirely in terms of history and suffering. Anti-Judaism seems to me to be anti-Semitism made respectable.

http://www.asphodel-long.com/html/anti_judaism.html

There is a huge cry these days by certain groups claiming that the Quran is anti-Semitic, even leading to certain of its translations being banned in various school districts in the United States of America.[1] (http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/310/#_ftn9560) We read about the definition of anti-Semitism in the Jewish Encyclopedia:
“The term ‘Anti-Semitism’ has its origin in the ethnological theory that the Jews, as Semites, are entirely different from the Aryan, or Indo-European, populations and can never be amalgamated with them. The word implies that the Jews are not opposed on account of their religion, but on account of their racial characteristics.”[2] (http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/310/#_ftn9561)
One will immediately realize from this statement that the Quran is not at all anti-Semitic, and that the verses which do reprimand the Jews are specific to certain transgressions they made in regards to their religion, and not in regard to their racial origin.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/310

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 14:15
Thank you
Drowzy_Shooter (http://www.revleft.com/vb/difference-between-religious-t165920/member.php?u=59938) for thanking me for my useful post.

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 14:23
My point is that there is a difference between Anti Judaism and Anti Semitism. There are Muslims who are anti Judaism but not Anti Semitic some of these Muslims were born Jewish but converted to Islam.

Sasha
20th December 2011, 14:44
No, even in the second world war the vast majority of anti-semite organizations was religious in nature.
(Neo-)nazism might be in a whole lot of things completely different from Christian (and Islamic) religious extremism but anti-semitism was the common ground they found.

My Jewish grandfather till his deathbed mistrusted Catholics "be carefull with that lot, they will betray you to the Germans for free"

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 14:47
I would say that many people use Anti Judaism/Anti Zionism to be Anti Semitic. I for one don't buy into the myth that Jews run the World or the Media or the Banks. I blame the Wealthy Capitalists of all races not Jews. You are 100% correct that many people who may just be Ani Judaism or Anti Zionism do in fact ally with Fascists/Nazis I have seen and heard of radical Christians and Muslims allying with Neo Nazis and Fascists.

Nox
20th December 2011, 15:00
There's no such thing as "religious anti-semitism" because Semitic is an ethnic term.

If you mean religious anti-judaism then fair enough. Although like someone already said, anti-judaism is often just a cover that hides anti-semitism.

Sasha
20th December 2011, 15:01
And its nothing new, it was the catholic church that tried to push Spanish fascism towards anti-semitism, not Franco, same with Italy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_fascism
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexism

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 15:07
I agree with both of you in fact I get sick of Anti Semitic Conspiracy Theories people who blame everything that goes bad in the World on the Jews. Like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They believe that if a Powerful Wealthy Gentile or Non Jew does something bad they must be Puppets of the Jews/Zionists.

Puppet

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Non-puppetry related usages of the word

The word puppet can mean a political leader installed, supported and controlled by more powerful forces, without legitimacy in the country itself. In modern times, this usually implies no democratic (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Democracy) mandate from the country's electorate; in earlier times, it could have meant a monarch imposed from outside, who was not a member of a country's established ruling dynasty, and/or unrecognised by its nobility. "Puppet government", "puppet regime" and "puppet state (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Puppet_state)" are derogatory terms for a government (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Government) which is in charge of a region or country, but only through being installed, supported and controlled by a more powerful outside government (see Quisling (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Quisling)).
In a more general sense, a puppet is any person who is controlled by another by reasons of (for instance) undue influence, intellectual deficiency, or lack of character or charisma. Science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein)'s novel The Puppet Masters (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/The_Puppet_Masters) depicts alien (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life) parasites (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Parasites) who attach themselves to human beings and control their actions.
Poppet (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Poppet), a word that sounds similar, is sometimes a term of endearment, similar to "love", "pet", "doll" or "dear". It alludes to folk-magic (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)) and witchcraft (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Witchcraft), where a poppet is a special doll created to represent a person for the purpose of casting healing, fertility, or binding spells (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 15:11
It also seems common among Black Nationalists as well as White Nationalists to think Jews run everything.

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 15:12
White Nationalists = Stupid

Uploaded by TheAmazingAtheist (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist)on Mar 10, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlHUYhhAq48

tradeunionsupporter
20th December 2011, 17:35
I don't deny that anti Judaism can offen be a cover for anti semitism.

Nox
21st December 2011, 17:38
And its nothing new, it was the catholic church that tried to push Spanish fascism towards anti-semitism, not Franco, same with Italy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_fascism
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexism

Haha the catholic church is a joke, it's the biggest paedophile ring and the biggest business in the world, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if the catholic church in terms of revenue was actually the biggest business in the world.

PS: fuck the catholic church

Elysian
23rd December 2011, 05:08
The catholic church is not perfect, but one cannot deny the abundant good it has done for the poor and downtrodden - not to mention their stance against DP, war, capitalist greed etc.

Sasha
23rd December 2011, 12:24
zIgnw-b2Oro

tradeunionsupporter
8th January 2012, 00:56
I should of put Anti Semitism vs Anti Judaism. It is just my opinion that a person can dislike Judaism and any other religion without hating Jews. Im not sure that the Jews are even a race they may just be a religion like Christianity and or Islam.

Ocean Seal
5th February 2012, 01:28
Why do you even call it anti-Judaism? Why not just call yourself an anti-theist? That seems much more reasonable than just picking on one religion which has historically been associated with one race and attempting to not call yourself racist.