il Commie
17th November 2003, 14:44
Originally posted by Che
[email protected] 16 2003, 07:20 PM
I think No , the solution is not two states , live togther , i think we must fight togther to build our socialist republic .. maybe it diffcult at this time and the nearest future as you say .. but that is what we should do.
Israelis come and live im my home in tel avive , jafa , el majdal ( ashkellon ) , i want to return to this home there is a right to the jews to live in my land in peace , the eccupation is not for gaza and the west bank , isreal occupied palestine , historical palestine . so it hasn`t have the right to exist .
Yes, we should fight for a united socialist republic. But that fight can only be won by a workers' revolution. So you think we should hold back the liberation of Palestine until the revolution?
No. Anti-imperialist actions and demonstrations are a good chance for us to show the people an escape from the deadly capitalist trap. The end of the occupation will give the palestinian workers better fighting conditions, whether they'll kick Arafat right away or build an imperialist-controlled state in Gaza and the West Bank, and then revolt.
The land inside the green line is not occupied. The palestinians who weren't exiled during the '48 war, though discriminated greatly, still enjoy some democratic rights under Israel rule. The are citizens, B rated citizens, but citizens.
The fight of the arabs in Um El-Fahm (inside the green line) and the arabs living in Jenin (outside the green line), although being almost neighbors, have different fights. The palestinians inside Israel fight for civil equality as national minority, while the palestinians outside the green line fight for a state that would give them civil rights and self-determination. The "israeli" palestines fight against racism (which also prevents the return of the refugees) and the palestinians in the occupied territories fight against imperialism.
The unity of the land can not be achieve under Capitalism. The PLO have tried it for many years and haven't succeeded, and that's why they became traitors to their people who are willing to sell the right of return. The zionist regime and the IDF are too strong to be beaten by terror, without the support of the jewish proletariat who participate the IDF Zionism can not be beaten.
And if you're thinking the israeli ruling class will give up Zionism and will let the arab bourgeoise enter it, by letting the arabs citizenships, than you're simply dreaming.
To my prediction, we won't even have a bourgeoise "peace" in the near future. And even if we will have, it will be zionist, which means not giving palestinians real self-determination. The Geneva agreement say that Israel is a "jewish state", that the state of Palestine won't have an army and that the refugees wouldn't have the right of return.
The only way we can achieve the liberation of Palestine I believe is by mass protest that would force the IDF and the settlers out of Gaza and the West Bank. That already happend with Lebanon war, Barak ended it because of popular protest against it. A mass movment against the occupatin for a one-sided withdraw can raise the counciessness of the workers in Israel, and a withdraw could make it easier fo the plastinian workers to have a mass struggle.
I don't believe what some people at the radical left here do, that under capitalism there would be a right of return. Also, no agreement the ruling classes will suggest will end the occupation. The end of the occupation could only be achieved by one-sided withdraw which can be achived by a big anti-war movment (if will start it now and wouldn't give up, it can get bigger), and the end of the occupation will pave the way for a revolution in Palestine and in Israel. And the revolution will surely allow the refugees to return.
So that's why I say two states is the path to one soviet republic.