Ho chi mihn's genocide?

[commieboy]

I was yelled at by a teacher for wearinga Ho Chi Minh shirt, and he told me that Ho committed genocide to all those who weren't communist, and were doctors, and intelligent...

Did ho ever kill anyone like that?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I have never heard this before.Even the westerners aernt bad on comrade Minh.You should have snapped at the teacher about the genoicde the us commited in vietnam!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Americans think they were allied to Pol Pot or something.... even though they fought against him.(?) Americans are afarid to go too deeply in fear of seeing the truth.

[Sabocat]

Show your teacher this...

What a horrible man.


Ho Chi Minh (1890-1968) drafted the following program on February 18, 1930, for a conference of Vietnamese Communists who met in the British colony of Hong Kong.


Workerss peasants, soldiers, youth, pupils!

Oppressed and exploited compatriots!

The Communist Party of Indochina is founded. It is the party of the working class. It will help the proletarian class lead the revolution in order to struggle for all the oppressed and exploited people. From now on we must pin the Party, help it and follow it in order to implement the following slogans:


1. To overthrow French imperialism, feudalism, and the reactionary Vietnamese capitalist class.

2.. To make Indochina completely independent.

3. To establish a worker*peasant and soldier government.

4. To confiscate the banks and other enterprises belonging to the imperialists and put them under the control of the worker*peasant and soldier government.

5. To confiscate all of the plantations and property belonging to the imperialists and the Vietnamese reactionary capitalist class and distribute them to poor peasants.

6. To implement the eight*hour working day.

7. To abolish public loans and poll tax. To waive unjust taxes hitting the poor people.

8. To bring back all freedom to the masses.

9. To carry out universal education.

10. To implement equality between man and woman.


Here is a decent short geneology of him

http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/p.../hochiminh.html (http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/hochiminh.html)

[Jesus Christ]

at the risk of sounding like a Stalinist(which im not lol), thats a bunch of propaganda bullshit

non-communists who didnt resist the movement were allowed to live their normal lives without interference or harassment from the government
the non-communists weho did resist, of course were allied with the States, so they were seen as the enemy

[Xvall]

I was yelled at by a teacher for wearinga Ho Chi Minh shirt, and he told me that Ho committed genocide to all those who weren't communist, and were doctors, and intelligent.

First of all, your teacher is quite obviously an idiot. Genocide is when you kill large groups of people from a certain ethnic background. The last time I checked, non-communists, doctors, and smart people were not ethnicities. Second of all; that is the dumbest and most fabricated thing I've heard today. (I still have another seven and a half hours to go. I'll likely hear something dumber later in the day.) Uncle Ho didn't kill everyone who wasn't a non-communist. I've never heard of anything about that, or seen evidence. Half of the members of the Vietcong were non-communists. Diem was so much of a bastard that even non-communists were joining the Vietcong, just to kick him and the yankees out of their nation. Killed doctors? What the hell is your teacher talking about? I suppose Ho Chi Minh shot all of the medics in his resistance group, and people were hung on a daily basis for carrying bandaids. Where did your teacher come of with this shit? Killed intelligent people? That's probably the dumbest thing on the list! With that logic, Ho Chi Minh ought' have commited suicide, and ordered the assassination of all teachers, communists, and literate people. That's only what, 99% of the population? Please.


Did ho ever kill anyone like that?

No. Your teacher is an idiot. Or maybe he was thinking of Pol Pot, who wasn't even a communist. Why don't you also point out to your teacher that the Vietnamese constitution was based on the American Constitution, and that Ho Chi Minh saw Thomas Jefferson as a figure of liberty.

[Jesus Christ]

Probably was thinking of Pol Pot, that psycho

[commieboy]

i like how you call him uncle ho....i do too, and my dad, (Big vietnam war protester)

I knew he couldn't do somthing like that.

[Jesus Christ]

from what I hear, he was one of the nicest people you wouldve ever met
almost a non-human level of kindness

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Yeah I have heard that too.He was supposed to be a sweet man.

[RED CHARO]

From what I know in Vietnam (yes that Socialist monster country),
In the museiums they have secions devoted to 'counter revolutionarys, - that beiging people killed by commies after the revolution,- But from what I saw from Vietnam , the population was pro- communist (especially during the American war) , therfore leaving a tiny minority anti- comm.....

[RED CHARO]

- You should ask your teacher about those millions killed on there way to fight the Americans..........

[commieboy]

the thing is the guys a nam' vet....and i dont want him having a flashback and snapping my neck...so im gonna try and leave him alone.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 12:21 PM
the thing is the guys a nam' vet....and i dont want him having a flashback and snapping my neck...so im gonna try and leave him alone.
then just forget it lol
he'll have the VA all over you like richard simmons on clay aiken
lol

youll get your ass yelled off
US war veterans are absolutely horrible

[commieboy]

i know....that's why i never argue with vets...about the war, because you know, he has a reason to hate the communist of vietnam....they tried to kill him, but it's too touchy of a subject.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

They didnt try to kill him!They were simply defending themselves.

[(*]

Agreed, your teacher is an idiot.

The US committed mass murder there. And they supported Diem.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 05:53 PM
They didnt try to kill him!They were simply defending themselves.
part of the defense was trying to kill the enemy lol
:D

[LuZhiming]

I'm not sure if Ho Chi Minh was such a great person. That is, if any of these are true:

- Ho Chi Minh dropped the name Nguyen Ai Quoc after betraying Phan Boi Chau's whereabouts to the French authorities for Hong Kong $10,000. (Phan Boi Chau was the most well-known Vietnamese activist at the early half of 1900's who peacefully struggled for independence of Vietnam from French).

- In the early 1910's, the go-East Movement to gain independence for Vietnam, initiated by Phan Boi Chau, was widely endorsed and joined by many young Vietnamese. These young Vietnamese went East to Japan to attain modern education with great hope that they could gain independence for Vietnamese from the French.

Nguyen Tat Thanh's(Ho Chi Minh's) father was a friend of Phan Boi Chau. He expected Nguyen Tat Thanh would go East as others. However, Nguyen That Thanh went the opposite. At that time, whoever worked with French or went West, were seen as seeking favor from the French. This observation has also been pointed out by Richard Nixon in "No More Vietnam."

Another evidence of Ho initial desire to work for the French colonialists is the application form for a course at the French "Colonial Administrative School" which Ho filled out right after he arrived in Marseilles. This document is still preserved at the National Archives of France. Historian Nguyen The Anh has photocopied and published it in his book.


These were taken from http://www.vietquoc.com/0006vq.htm

Can any knowledgeable person confirm or deny them? With proof of some kind?

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I suspect, as has already been said, that your teacher had Ho confused with Pol Pot. There was genocide in Vietnam--the genocide perpetrated by the U.S. military because Vietnam wanted to be independent of foreign domination, to be free of economic exploitation. The U.S. could not stand that idea, as those processes are so damn profitable for the Imperial powers. There were millions killed in Vietnam and neighboring Cambodia and Laos... by the United States and its lackeys. But Ho is surely not to blame for leading his homeland to independence... the blood is clearly on the hands of the aggressors. In fact, the slaughter in Indochina by the U.S. was instrumental in Pol Pot coming to power in Cambodia! His Khmer Rouge was insignificant prior to the U.S. bombing campaign.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 08:15 PM
I'm not sure if Ho Chi Minh was such a great person. That is, if any of these are true:

- Ho Chi Minh dropped the name Nguyen Ai Quoc after betraying Phan Boi Chau's whereabouts to the French authorities for Hong Kong $10,000. (Phan Boi Chau was the most well-known Vietnamese activist at the early half of 1900's who peacefully struggled for independence of Vietnam from French).

- In the early 1910's, the go-East Movement to gain independence for Vietnam, initiated by Phan Boi Chau, was widely endorsed and joined by many young Vietnamese. These young Vietnamese went East to Japan to attain modern education with great hope that they could gain independence for Vietnamese from the French.

Nguyen Tat Thanh's(Ho Chi Minh's) father was a friend of Phan Boi Chau. He expected Nguyen Tat Thanh would go East as others. However, Nguyen That Thanh went the opposite. At that time, whoever worked with French or went West, were seen as seeking favor from the French. This observation has also been pointed out by Richard Nixon in "No More Vietnam."

Another evidence of Ho initial desire to work for the French colonialists is the application form for a course at the French "Colonial Administrative School" which Ho filled out right after he arrived in Marseilles. This document is still preserved at the National Archives of France. Historian Nguyen The Anh has photocopied and published it in his book.


These were taken from http://www.vietquoc.com/0006vq.htm

Can any knowledgeable person confirm or deny them? With proof of some kind?
lol if it says anything about Uncle Ho collaborating with French imperialists or any type of imperialist for that fact, its probably total bullshit
he'd be contradicting himself and all that he was fighting for

[Xvall]

They tried to kill him? WTF kind of excuse is that? If I go with a gun, and start shooting my neighbor's family, and he shoots back; what would people think if I said he deserved to die because he tried to kill me.

[Xvall]

Yes it's true. Ho Chi Minh was collaberating with the French. Additionally, George Washington secretly worked for the British, and Jesus was a Roman spy.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 16 2003, 09:55 PM
Yes it's true. Ho Chi Minh was collaberating with the French. Additionally, George Washington secretly worked for the British, and Jesus was a Roman spy.
i knew that Jesus was up to no good

[Sabocat]

I think you should wear that shirt again and call this guys shit out! Who cares if he was a Vietnam Vet? I would get into it with him and make him look like the uneducated piece of shit that he is in front of the whole class. Maybe that would teach him to keep his mouth shut about things he doesn't know about or understand.

If you don't defend yourself and your beliefs, then every kid in that classroom will assume he's right and that you're just some kind of whacko.

Tell him to keep his propaganda to himself and teach facts, not opinions.

[the SovieT]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 04:58 PM
I was yelled at by a teacher for wearinga Ho Chi Minh shirt, and he told me that Ho committed genocide to all those who weren't communist, and were doctors, and intelligent...

Did ho ever kill anyone like that?
the ***** is confusing Ho Chi Minh with Pol Pot..

stupid litle western pigs cant tell the difrence betwen two asians...

fucking idiotic ***** should be fired and fed with bread and water for 10 years...

[commieboy]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 17 2003, 12:57 AM
I suspect, as has already been said, that your teacher had Ho confused with Pol Pot.
no, it wasn't pol pot, he knew who he was talking about....but speaking of pol pot...there's a janitor in my school named "On" he's a nice little south asian guy who mops up vomit with a smile. but one day i asked my civics teacher if he knew where, On was from. He asked me if i knew who pol pot was and i said yes, so he told me that On's entire family was executed by Pol pot and he was saved by the vietnamese!

[Bolshevika]

Pol Pot? Ho Chi Minh's admirable.



stupid litle western pigs cant tell the difrence betwen two asians..

LOL, I think you might have a point.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:02 AM
lol if it says anything about Uncle Ho collaborating with French imperialists or any type of imperialist for that fact, its probably total bullshit
he'd be contradicting himself and all that he was fighting for
There are such things as hypocrites.