Why i'm an Atheist....

[commieboy]

How many of you have flipped on CNN or the BBC and heard, "Atheist rebels have just commited a mass genocide of Christians"?

All i get is shit when i tell people im an atheist, they say im going to hell or that Atheists are evil.....

I think the Atheists are some of the most peacful people in the world! If anything it's going to be those fuckers who steal, smoke and gamble, then think its all going away when they confess to someone who's a conviceted Pedophile.

Lets see all the good things people thinking their god was bigger and better have gotten us?

Crusades
Holocaust
Bosnian-seribian genocide
the attacks of september eleventh

Any others?

What have Atheists ever done to anyone?!?!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I am an Atheist too.

I have never heard that from any news source.

Pol Pot was an atheist and he killed around 2 000 000 people in Cambodia.

[Spartacus2002]

I am not an atheist, the truth is though, plenty of athiests, christians, muslims, etc. all have all committed attrocities, examples...(hitler called himself a christian he killed 6 million jews, stalin an athiest, killed upwards of 20 million people, and islamic terrrorism has killed thousands) i believe that these attrocities were not a result of theological beliefs but peoples insanity, bad decisions, greed, selfishness and sadistic nature. it is stupid to try to pin it on any certain religion or belief, you have also neglected to mention that a number of christian organizations have given money and saved lives as a result of their beliefs and i am sure alot of communists and muslims have to

[Sheep]

i have plenty of chirstian and morman friends, and i've never been "talked down to" for my atheist beliefs.

[BuyOurEverything]

i have plenty of chirstian and morman friends, and i've never been "talked down to" for my atheist beliefs.

You're in the minority.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

im an atheist and no one gives a shit

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 08:15 PM
[..]i believe that these attrocities were not a result of theological beliefs but peoples insanity, bad decisions, greed, selfishness [..] it is stupid to try to pin it on any certain religion or belief, you have also neglected to mention that a number of christian organizations have given money and saved lives as a result of their beliefs
I agree on most of what he says.

Keep in mind that Christianity, Muslimism, Hinduïsm etc. are massreligions. The choice of religion is more often not the choice of an individual for the religion, but the passing on of tradition. It goes from father to son. In such a case the religion of the person doesn't tell anything about the character or the personality of the person. The many sects within these religions should be proving my point. The individuals are expressing their joriginal views by starting sects.

So you can't tell by a person's religion, what kind of person (s)he is. Osama Bin Laden is just as good a Muslim as a pacifistic muslim. The KKK are just as well Christians as some of you are. Some of the most hardcore gangsters are just as much atheist as par example Commieboy. So it's pointless to start a thread to proof your innonsence(!) based on your believe.

[commieboy]

i've got alot of religous friends but what sparked this moment of Atheist pride was that there is a group in my school called S.T.A.T.I.C. and it stands for students together about somthing in christ...i forgot what the second T is.

But i asked a kid i know what he does in that group and he gave me an example of that last week in a classroom in a public school, a guest speaker gave the group a lecture on how wrong and immoral homosexuality is!

What i felt was good was that i kind of tricked the teacher sponsor into admitting somthing infront of the class, i asked her if since their beliefs were anti-gay, i could start a Junior nazi club after school because anti-semetic would be our beliefs! so she just said, "That's differnt"
so i just asked, "Why?"
"Because it is" she said so under my breath i said,
"Got ya Hitler" but she heard me and i got an after school detention.

But i proved that the group is a horrible group, while during the day the school tries to promote and teach tolerance, once the bell rings those same people can tell them that gays are evil sinners.

[Red Flag]

I don't like labels.. but i don't put faith in the idea that we were created by some invisible man...

but @ commieboy: thats great! :lol: sounds like somthing i wouldve done while i was in school..

peace

[Soviet power supreme]

If you are christian , you are fucking your relatives.
We all are Adam's and Eva's grandchildren

:unsure:

[BuyOurEverything]

i've got alot of religous friends but what sparked this moment of Atheist pride was that there is a group in my school called S.T.A.T.I.C. and it stands for students together about somthing in christ...i forgot what the second T is.

But i asked a kid i know what he does in that group and he gave me an example of that last week in a classroom in a public school, a guest speaker gave the group a lecture on how wrong and immoral homosexuality is!

What i felt was good was that i kind of tricked the teacher sponsor into admitting somthing infront of the class, i asked her if since their beliefs were anti-gay, i could start a Junior nazi club after school because anti-semetic would be our beliefs! so she just said, "That's differnt"
so i just asked, "Why?"
"Because it is" she said so under my breath i said,
"Got ya Hitler" but she heard me and i got an after school detention.

But i proved that the group is a horrible group, while during the day the school tries to promote and teach tolerance, once the bell rings those same people can tell them that gays are evil sinners.

That kind of sounds like one of the dozens of bible study groups at my school.

[redstar2000]

People should start rumors about those "Bible Study" groups...that they are secretly "Satanists" or that they have "secret orgies" or something like that.

Rumor is a powerful force in high schools...use it against them.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[BuyOurEverything]

People should start rumors about those "Bible Study" groups...that they are secretly "Satanists" or that they have "secret orgies" or something like that.

Rumor is a powerful force in high schools...use it against them.

That's not a bad damn idea. I think I'll try.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I do not think theism or atheism necessarily makes one a good, moral (or bad, immoral) person.

There are good atheists, good agnostics (I like to consider myself among them), good Christians, good Buddhists, etc.

And there are Stalins, Jerry Falwells and George Bushs... using their beliefs as an excuse to not be a good neighbor... to be violent, to be greedy, to be domineering...

[Svartvit]

Atheism plays in a leauge of its own. You see, the point of being an atheis is to not belong to a religion, to not believe at all. Therefore, no one can blame you for "believing the wrong thing". You're just neutral, that's all.

[Umoja]

Belief was originally designed to mask people's more primative nature, but apparently it does a bad job, because regardless of a person's belief they still end up being human, and doing the same dumb things just with different labels and different reasons.

[Hate Is Art]

i dont belong to any religion but i believe that there is some almight power, im not losing sleep thinking about it though

[cubist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 04:48 PM
How many of you have flipped on CNN or the BBC and heard, "Atheist rebels have just commited a mass genocide of Christians"?

All i get is shit when i tell people im an atheist, they say im going to hell or that Atheists are evil.....

I think the Atheists are some of the most peacful people in the world! If anything it's going to be those fuckers who steal, smoke and gamble, then think its all going away when they confess to someone who's a conviceted Pedophile.

Lets see all the good things people thinking their god was bigger and better have gotten us?

Crusades
Holocaust
Bosnian-seribian genocide
the attacks of september eleventh

Any others?

What have Atheists ever done to anyone?!?!
right well a few things,

a). the holocaust was not a religous war it was an act against a group of people who happened to be religious they were killed becuase hitler blamed them for :

1). the surrender of germany in the first world war, which lead to the economic catastrophy for war damage and the treaty of versailles.

2). they remained successful even when german business's were collapsing. it was an envy of a culture by one man who wasn't a particularly religous guy.

b). where have atheists hurt anyone?, the majority of scientists are atheists and avid believers in evolution and darwinism etc, many scientists create weapons of mass destruction, develope technologies which aid weapons of mass destruction, those things hurt people,

america didn't bomb japan with a h bomb over a religous quarrel, russia didn't get into the coldwar over religion, the boar war wasn't over religion, the falklands wasn't religous, the gulf war wasn initially a religous war, charles manson wasn't religous, kipkinkle wasn't religous, dillon and the other kid from columbine weren't religous, so many things are done on non religous backgrounds that that statement is ridiculous

[Al Creed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 05:43 PM
I am an Atheist too.

I have never heard that from any news source.

Pol Pot was an atheist and he killed around 2 000 000 people in Cambodia.
Pol Pot didnt commit his crimes in the name of Athiesm, he commited them as an act against intellectualism.

I too am Athiest, and I really dont care if I am going to hell. If there is a Hell, Id rather go there, Heaven seems boring

[cubist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 09:37 PM

i have plenty of chirstian and morman friends, and i've never been "talked down to" for my atheist beliefs.

You're in the minority.
i don't think so, i think you will find that the "genuine religous people" are absolutely smashing and would bend over backwards for anyone. and that goes for all religions which practice helping others

[BuyOurEverything]

What would you classify as genuinely religious? Nobody can be "genuinely" Jewish or Christian or, I'd imagine, Muslim because their holy books contradict themselves. Therefore, one has to only follow certain parts of the book. I'm also speaking from experience when I say that the number of religious people that don't either hate you or pity you because you're an atheist are very few.

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 16 2003, 02:04 AM
If you are christian , you are fucking your relatives.
We all are Adam's and Eva's grandchildren

:unsure:
SHUT THE FUCK UP SOVIET POWER SUPREME

[RevolucioN NoW]

Bible groups in schools should be banned, they serve no useful purpose other than to indoctrinate impresionable youth.

They are allowed free reign in a state school,walking around talking to kids about jesus and shit, this should be made illegal, I went to a fucking state school so as to avoid religious fucks like that

Anyway, its fun to burn or rip up the bible in their presence, they try to ignore you, hilarious :D

:ph34r:

[commieboy]

Originally posted by cephas+Nov 17 2003, 08:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cephas @ Nov 17 2003, 08:31 PM)
[email protected] 15 2003, 04:48 PM
How many of you have flipped on CNN or the BBC and heard, "Atheist rebels have just commited a mass genocide of Christians"?

All i get is shit when i tell people im an atheist, they say im going to hell or that Atheists are evil.....

I think the Atheists are some of the most peacful people in the world&#33; If anything it&#39;s going to be those fuckers who steal, smoke and gamble, then think its all going away when they confess to someone who&#39;s a conviceted Pedophile.

Lets see all the good things people thinking their god was bigger and better have gotten us?

Crusades
Holocaust
Bosnian-seribian genocide
the attacks of september eleventh

Any others?

What have Atheists ever done to anyone?&#33;?&#33;
right well a few things,

a). the holocaust was not a religous war it was an act against a group of people who happened to be religious they were killed becuase hitler blamed them for :

1). the surrender of germany in the first world war, which lead to the economic catastrophy for war damage and the treaty of versailles.

2). they remained successful even when german business&#39;s were collapsing. it was an envy of a culture by one man who wasn&#39;t a particularly religous guy.

b). where have atheists hurt anyone?, the majority of scientists are atheists and avid believers in evolution and darwinism etc, many scientists create weapons of mass destruction, develope technologies which aid weapons of mass destruction, those things hurt people,

america didn&#39;t bomb japan with a h bomb over a religous quarrel, russia didn&#39;t get into the coldwar over religion, the boar war wasn&#39;t over religion, the falklands wasn&#39;t religous, the gulf war wasn initially a religous war, charles manson wasn&#39;t religous, kipkinkle wasn&#39;t religous, dillon and the other kid from columbine weren&#39;t religous, so many things are done on non religous backgrounds that that statement is ridiculous [/b]
see...i&#39;m anti- all religions....if those people hadn&#39;t been jewish they wouldn&#39;t have been treated like shit in all Axis occupied territory....i think organized religion should not exist....but that me...

[Umoja]

People are cliquish (sp?) they tend to gravitate towards groups of like minded individuals. It can be religious, ethnic, political... anything. Anything can be made into a group, and this is common among all humans. People tend to find these distinctions huge, so if it&#39;s not religion it&#39;s economics, or race, or what street you livve on. If it&#39;s not something, it&#39;s something else. It&#39;s completely pointless to blame religion for all our problems, because the same damn problems would exist with or without religion just in different forms. People in general have a problem and it translates to all aspects of our society.

[Comrade Yars]

I am an athiest myself.... more agnostic if anything really. Ironically enough I&#39;ve been dating a devout Christian for 1 1/2 years :huh: ...... :D

We&#39;ve more or less agreed not to debate our stances... it wouldn&#39;t be very pretty. I can certainly respect the beliefs of Christians or anyone for that matter, but I simply can&#39;t accept the fact that some of the best people in the world (ghandi anyone?) are giong to "hell".

I&#39;m sure most of you are aware of the fact that Hitler was Christian. According to the bible the man is saved, and after burning millions, he has the privlidge of experiencing gods glory, as any other Christian would.

... and no, this cannot be interpreted differently, it is an accepted notion that upon accepting Christs sacrifice as an act of salvation, one is saved, and therefore earns their spot in heaven. Christ died FOR our sins, which in essence gives anyone, no matter what the degree of their sin is, a place in heaven.

I regretfully declare that I simply cannot worship one who welcomes mass murderers and condems those who have given their life to humanities outcry for help... simply due to the fact that they wouldn&#39;t accept Christianity...

[Iepilei]

I declare myself agnostic, as I tend not to care much for organised religious beliefs and the dogmatic followers they create. What I believe about the world is a agglomeration of everything I&#39;ve experienced through this turbulent roller-coaster known as nothing more than "life."

I am biased. I won&#39;t lie. I face massive objection to "package deal" religions like Christianity because they are philosophies for lazy people; that which provides sustenance for those who don&#39;t like to bend their mind around the world. It angers me more to be confronted by such thinkers who try to attack me, someone who could give a damn less, because of my opinions, and are not fully versed in their OWN beliefs... let alone anyone elses.

I have large affinities for animist religions, simply because they&#39;re harmonious. They focus on the "now" and not the "later."

[Rasta Sapian]

It takes faith to believe in God
it takes nothing to be an Atheist, I think that if you R n Atheist that you should consider being Agnostic, and then someday even a "Believer"

peace yall :P

[andresG]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 19 2003, 11:52 PM
It takes faith to believe in God
it takes nothing to be an Atheist, I think that if you R n Atheist that you should consider being Agnostic, and then someday even a "Believer"

peace yall :P
What the hell are you trying to say?

[Comrade Yars]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 20 2003, 04:52 AM
It takes faith to believe in God
it takes nothing to be an Atheist
... you you know there&#39;s humor in that.

Faith can be described as a set of principals and beliefs that one holds true to... in this instance, the Christian "faith" (belief?).

So tell me... does it not take faith to believe that Christianity is one thing or the other?

So in essence, it takes faith to belive in God...
thus, it takes faith to not believe in God.

Am I wrong?

[BuyOurEverything]

It takes faith to believe in God
it takes nothing to be an Atheist, I think that if you R n Atheist that you should consider being Agnostic, and then someday even a "Believer"

peace yall

Yes, it takes blind faith in whatever someone tells you to believe in god. I fail to see how this is a good thing. It takes intelligence, rationality and logic to be an atheist. Why the hell would I consider not knowing if there is a god (agnostic) when I already know there isn&#39;t one? Isn&#39;t that like going backwards?

[S.B.]

Comrades


Religious waters are never safe to travel by a craft constructed of logic.

I myself have studied the many religions and found them at best an experiement in superstition,a variety of means to play upon the hopes and fears of the simple.

At their core both heaven and hell are merely tactics by which to exploit common people for selfish gain,the whole idea of a hell in which people are to be tormented is altogether a ridiculous notion.

The act of burning is a bio-chemical reaction in which material substance is reduced to ashes and gas wherein stored energy is released,leaving behind a residue of the broken molecules of a once complete material reality.

What then? ... since a material form can perish but once by means of inceneration,how then can one possibly accept an eternity of burning for that which releases itself but once?

Then,of course,there is the fanatical stance that it is the soul or spirit of man that will punish eternally by fire,but how can this be? ... the spirit,according to religionists is as the wind,an otherworldly essence that cannot be touched by means known within this world of concrete materialism.

How then can one punish a spirit by material means?Then there is the idea of heaven wherein disembodied spirits of the dead reside,but why would spirits require a chosen area when their presence cannot be constrained or restricted to any one place?

No,this whole idea of heaven and hell reaks of greed,vanity and fear ... it is the capitalistic concept of promising the unseen in exchange for verifiable substance.

It truly is a win-win situation for lying prophets and preachers who cunningly play off of common human weaknesses ... greed and fear,one generally possesses either one or both and quite often in abundance.

The religious concept of God is one in which only a select few are blessed,for who would dare embrace a deity that does not first embrace them?The entire foundation of this religious concept is build upon prejudice and hatred,its the basis of we and them ... and as we not being them it is therefore our righteous duty to despise them.

I prefer not to criticize religion to a great extent in that my grandmother was a devout Christian and for her sake I will leave off what perhaps would be viewed as a bashing of that which she cherished.

Were I to speak of God as being One and all-encompassing then by this I imply that all people(as well as all life)are indeed one as well.

However,this mindset is diametrically opposite to that of the religionists,for they do not wish to be made one with others,rather,their belief comes from a desire to be better than others,to possess the fat of the land,own the best home,drive the most expensive car,wear only clothes that cost the most,etc,etc ... its by the realization of such things regarding pretentious hypocrites that causes the ranks of atheism to swell beyond measure.

As for speculating upon the existence of a God or gods,I prefer to leave such matters to those who hunger for madness,besides only a fool would recognize any other god than the one which resides in his own psyche.


S.B.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 09:58 AM

It takes faith to believe in God
it takes nothing to be an Atheist, I think that if you R n Atheist that you should consider being Agnostic, and then someday even a "Believer"

peace yall

Yes, it takes blind faith in whatever someone tells you to believe in god. I fail to see how this is a good thing. It takes intelligence, rationality and logic to be an atheist. Why the hell would I consider not knowing if there is a god (agnostic) when I already know there isn&#39;t one? Isn&#39;t that like going backwards?
It may well take blind faith to believe in a lack of a God. What about all those kids who&#39;s parents tell them there is no God. In some cases "It takes intelligence, rationality and logic to be a" God believer. Here is an interesting arguement from someone who used to be an athiest but now believes in a God (a creater, non-interventionist). http://mjec.net/expdes.php

[Sandino111]

;) "Religions are like a drug, some people need them to live a happy life, while others live a happy life without them."

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Sandino,

I like that a lot... who said it?

and welcome to che-lives...

[BuyOurEverything]

It may well take blind faith to believe in a lack of a God. What about all those kids who&#39;s parents tell them there is no God.

Yes, I think not believing in god simply because someone told you to is just as stupid as believing in god.


In some cases "It takes intelligence, rationality and logic to be a" God believer.

I disagree. Although for someone with an atheist upbringing, it may take dilligence, research and an open mind to question god&#39;s non-existence, no one using logic or rationality can conclude that god exists.

As for that link, there are some interesting arguments but there are some serious problems with them.

[apathy maybe]

Knowing the person who made the artical, could you please explain what you think are some flaws with it so that I can tell him. He might become an athiest again :D. Or then again he might explain that they were not designed to convert others and provide other arguements.

[S.B.]

Comrades


As some analysts define Capitalism and Socialism by means of two opposing ideologies based on greed and envy,one in which liberty being fueled by individualism as the emphasis and means of advocating the rights of man to pursue and acheive wealth by the exploitation of those which lack the resources to equally secure such wealth for themselves and thus are forced to sell their labor to the privileged class and thereby maintain the very system of their enslavement.

While the socialist agenda inevitably must in the end seek to eradicate liberty insofar that it empowers individualism and grants justification of opportunists in their quest for personal enrichment at the expense of society as a whole.

Likewise,the idea of religion also depends upon this same spirit of individualism with its selfish motive.The entire religious concept is one in which a privileged few are seen as Gods elect with sole rights to abundance while the unbelievers are viewed as being outside such grace and hence unworthy of such blessings.

This perhaps is what Bakurin attempted to address in his work concerning the relationship between God and state,however,his advocation of anarchy as a means to break such a relationship is totally unacceptable in light of the practicality of statehood,although a just approach to statescraft demands detachment from an individualistic God which serves as justification of bigotry and perpetuates the capitalist ideology.

In the collective interest of society no other than an impersonal god can rightly be acknowledged,all talk of personal gods must be confined to the private quarters of the individual wherein he may whisper his devotion in the night,however,he must never be afforded the opportunity to express such a sentiment openly.

The difference between the impersonal god and the personal is that of logic as opposed to emotions,logic is detached,calulative and practical,whereas emotions are completely irrational.

It is for this reason that religion and politics cannot be reconciled in the pursuit of social stability in that religion shall always promote self-interest rather than the common good of mankind.

I could claim to be an atheist that believes in God due to my considerations of the impersonal as the expression of the oneness of all mankind while at the same time maintaining a personal faith in a god that is of no concern to anyone other than myself,but even this notion is quite ridiculous in terms of rationality,for even the hint of such a faith would itself expose one enslaved to individualism as opposed to that of the collective will and common interest.

The crux of this post is merely to point out the futility of any attempt to incorporate religious speculations into the socialist ideology in that they are diametrically opposed to one another,and by extention of this fact liberty and socialism ultimately are incompatible.

Therefore,one must decide whether they wish to be a socialist or else a preacher,for in the final analysis socialism must be our religion,and as with any religion divided devotion exposes a lack of faith.


S.B.

[Sandino111]

[B][FONT=Geneva] I have always belived religions are for the weak minded, who cannot deal with real life. They hope there&#39;s an entity that is always looking out for them and will make sure their problems will seize to exist. But, god helps those that help themselves, right? lol :lol:

[Sandino111]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 21 2003, 08:09 PM
Sandino,

I like that a lot... who said it?

and welcome to che-lives...
Thanks for the warm welcome commie from Nebraska.
Im glad you liked my quote

[Invader Zim]

I have a simple test... If god wins we must all believe in him... if I win then case closed.

GOD i challenge you to strike me down in 5 seconds;

1...

2...

3...

4...

5...


well im still here. I win.

God doesnt exist.

But seriously, the idea of an omnipitant all knowing sentient being is foolish. For example if God knows everything then he knows the future right? If he knows the future then all our actions are pre-determined. If that is the case then we could go on a killing spree, and how could we be commiting a sin that god has already pre-determined that we should commit... its not like we, logically, have any choise in the matter.

Not to mention that the possibility of a omnipitant being is a logical impossible.

[Soviet power supreme]

[/QUOTE]QUOTE (Soviet power supreme @ Nov 16 2003, 02:04 AM)
If you are christian , you are fucking your relatives.
We all are Adam&#39;s and Eva&#39;s grandchildren



SHUT THE FUCK UP SOVIET POWER SUPREME [QUOTE]

Yes Goldfinger always has a intellectual reply.
But don&#39;t worry cousin. :P

[Umoja]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 11:31 AM
I have a simple test... If god wins we must all believe in him... if I win then case closed.

GOD i challenge you to strike me down in 5 seconds;

1...

2...

3...

4...

5...


well im still here. I win.

God doesnt exist.

But seriously, the idea of an omnipitant all knowing sentient being is foolish. For example if God knows everything then he knows the future right? If he knows the future then all our actions are pre-determined. If that is the case then we could go on a killing spree, and how could we be commiting a sin that god has already pre-determined that we should commit... its not like we, logically, have any choise in the matter.

Not to mention that the possibility of a omnipitant being is a logical impossible.
The problem with the Accusation that God doesn&#39;t exist because he won&#39;t strike you down is pretty meaningless. He won&#39;t give me a million dollars on the spot either, and if I suddenly win the lottery tommorow, or you get hit by a car I don&#39;t see what that proves or doesn&#39;t prove. If what you asked for instantly happened that&#39;d mean that your will and the will of God were interchangeable, or at least close to being unified. It isn&#39;t like that.

The second point of yours. You don&#39;t have a choice in what you do, and don&#39;t have free will. You can imagine doing a billion things, but your only going to do one of them. Besides that, has it occured to you that God probubly wouldn&#39;t view us as much more then self replicating chemicals? We do nothing special. We aren&#39;t important in the scheme of things, and if by some random accident someone interpretted what he said as important, do you think he&#39;d care? ((I prefer not to refer to a so callen animate thing as "it"))

[BuyOurEverything]

Knowing the person who made the artical, could you please explain what you think are some flaws with it so that I can tell him. He might become an athiest again . Or then again he might explain that they were not designed to convert others and provide other arguements.

Well the point made at the end is a good one and I would like to hear his response to it. Even if we accept all that he said as possible, why should we believe that one can just pick and choose the laws that apply to some alternate universe? Even if it was possible, it would be extremely unlikely, much less likely than there being no god.

Secondly, &#39;complexity&#39; is a purely human concept that has no absolute grounding. The idea that you can classify things as &#39;complex&#39; and &#39;simple&#39; is absurd. If people could see a single atom in great detail, they would see the orbits of the electrons and charges and bonds of the particles in the nucleus as extremely complex. Far more complex than a watch. Except everything in the universe is made of atoms, therefor, everything is complex so you can&#39;t make the statement that all complex things have a creator.

Another irrelevant concept is &#39;perfect.&#39; He says that god can be considered simple because he is perfect, but everybody has a different version of what perfect is. He also doesn&#39;t explain how even if there was an absolute concept of perfection, it would negate the need for intelligence to be complex.

[Rasta Sapian]

lets face it, religion is overated&#33; yet essential for some.
It takes no faith to beleive in nothing (athiest)
Sometimes it is good to check your logic :huh:
Logic cannot be used to define faith&#33;
u either have it or u don&#39;t.


do you think it is logical for life to exist without a creator? You can not argue the God does not exist because you can not even argue that he does exist.


peace yall

[BuyOurEverything]

lets face it, religion is overated&#33; yet essential for some.

Yes, some people need their opiate. What are you saying?


It takes no faith to beleive in nothing (athiest)

No it doesn&#39;t take faith, I view that as a good thing.


Sometimes it is good to check your logic

What does that mean?


Logic cannot be used to define faith&#33;
u either have it or u don&#39;t.

What do you mean? "Logic" can define faith as blindly believing in something for which you have no evidence. I think that sums it up pretty nicely.


do you think it is logical for life to exist without a creator?

Yes, perfectly logical.


You can not argue the God does not exist because you can not even argue that he does exist.

I think you&#39;re the one that needs to check your logic, bud.

[Bolshevika]

Religion is superstition and oppressive. It must be destroyed.

[Rasta Sapian]

my logic is relitive to my reality, likewise for everybody&#33;
dowatchlike&#33;

i thought my words were self explanitory, therefore i can not exfoliate anymore, sorry. I can believe in anything or anybody, that is free will&#33;

impirialist pigs, die die die

peace love and unity my comrads