Is Alex Jones a hack or a disinformation agent?

[RadioRaheem84]

http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-affiliated-with-professional-revolutionary-organization-otpor-cia/

The level of ignorance his many website exhibit is atrocious.

My own "conspiracy theory" is that he is more than just a hack but a stooge of capital. He seems more to me like a libertarian Glen Beck in the pocket of certain capital interests.

Either that or he is just a scam artist making money off of the anti-NWO crowd.

OWS = CIA? :lol:

[NewLeft]

Alex Jones realized that the 99% didn't fall for his snake oil solutions.. So now to discredit them like Lew Rockwell has been trying to do from the start.

[mrmikhail]

http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-affiliated-with-professional-revolutionary-organization-otpor-cia/

The level of ignorance his many website exhibit is atrocious.

My own "conspiracy theory" is that he is more than just a hack but a stooge of capital. He seems more to me like a libertarian Glen Beck in the pocket of certain capital interests.

Either that or he is just a scam artist making money off of the anti-NWO crowd.

OWS = CIA? :lol:

Alex Jones is a very....interesting character to say the least. A lot (most) of his claims seem outright ridiculous but some of the films he has made do make some good points I suppose. He is one of the 9/11 truthers, against the government's repressive measures in airports (believe he is banned from flying for going off in an airport for TSA agents feeling up his 3 year old daughter) and other measures of government repression. He was the guy who made "Loose Change" and another documentary which was interesting on government false flag operations which I found interesting

but overall I think he is mostly a hack, and a libertarian one at that....also if you ever listen to his radio show, you can make a drinking game out of how many times he advertises/tells people to visit his infowars and prisonplanet websites ;)

[Agathor]

He's a businessman. He makes a lot of money from his radio show and his lunatic documentaries, which he encourages his listeners to buy in hard copies because 'I don't know how much longer they're going to be available, after the NWO takes over'.

He hates socialism because he's a wealthy bastard who earns a fantastic living off of the paranoia and incredulity of his listeners, and he knows that in a society that evaluates jobs by their worth to society rather than by their revenues, he would be thrown out of work quicker than the people who make nerve gas.

Unfortunately he has a large audience, and he's just one part of the enormous and expanding paranoia industry.
Chomsky has a good analysis of this phenomenon. jVMUc9swTiQ

[~Spectre]

^ good video.
/related, he hates Chomsky too. He interviewed him once, and then waited until Chomsky hung up to start yelling and ranting about how "stupid that NWO schill" is. Such courage.

Jones is a pathological liar.

[Ocean Seal]

Those labels aren't mutually exclusive.

I would contend that he is a disinformation agent, a hack, and a scammer all at the same time.

[RadioRaheem84]

I think he's in the pocket of some businesses probably while at the same running his own scam.

[MattShizzle]

I think he believes at least some of his nonsense but knows there are some people so paranoid they'll believe all of it. So he is a little crazy but not as much as he sounds.

[RadioRaheem84]

He is probably a true believer, much like the Koch Brothers are believers in libertarian and Tea Party ideals but use it to their own interests.

I am sure he's just found a way to milk it for all it's worth.

[Zealot]

He's a good businessman and possibly ingests lethal amounts of illegal substances/hallucinogens. One point must be conceded: the man has a profound imagination because he can literally find a conspiracy theory lurking in anything, anywhere, anytime. If you were to tell him the amount of water you drunk today he would somehow be able to concoct an extraordinary conspiracy theory based around that information.

I would be impressed if he were writing sci-fi novels, the Bible and Harry Potter would just pale in comparison to the things he could dream up. The only one capable of dwarfing his theories would be the one and only David Icke. However, that last statement is debatable.

[RadioRaheem84]

I would just hate to have done a lot of organizing and hard work to mobilize people, just to be called a CIA agent by a guy like Jones. That tells me that he is either a disinformation agent or just a huckster looking to find a conspiracy theory lurking anywhere in order to promote his paranoia business.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Alex Jones is a very....interesting character to say the least. A lot (most) of his claims seem outright ridiculous but some of the films he has made do make some good points I suppose. He is one of the 9/11 truthers, against the government's repressive measures in airports (believe he is banned from flying for going off in an airport for TSA agents feeling up his 3 year old daughter) and other measures of government repression. He was the guy who made "Loose Change" and another documentary which was interesting on government false flag operations which I found interesting

but overall I think he is mostly a hack, and a libertarian one at that....also if you ever listen to his radio show, you can make a drinking game out of how many times he advertises/tells people to visit his infowars and prisonplanet websites ;)

What? Good points? The only good point he has ever made is against police repression, and that is just because he faces some of it himself.

Alex Jones was also not involved with Loose Change (shit as it was, it was not by him). He has made other "documentaries", which I recommend dearly to everyone who is desperate for a good laugh, such as America Destroyed By Design, wherein he claims that land is being taken over by the United Nations as a part of a communist plot to enslave the USA (with Gorby involved as well) by setting up national parks, Bohemian Grove, where he raves about the boredom-inspired cultist behaviour of degenerate rich-folk at an exclusive club where they pretend-sacrifices and nonsense and to some extent referring to Icke and Co.'s claims on this regard, who like to repeat stories from mentally ill people about being sex slaves hunted down by big dogs at this site by the Bush family and their Reptilian Brethren.

Alex Jones himself says clear of the literal reptilian story - insisting that Icke then is a disinformant of the government, to which Icke retorts the same about Jones. He has also made other films such as 9/11 The Road To Tyranny, which is a mess of random things he has itched together poorly; everything from the September eleventh attacks to some random biology professor saying something vague about human destructive potential and personally attacking this professor as in favour of total earth depopulation.

His work with least nonsense is probably "Martial Law - 9/11 Rise of the Police State", which has some amusing segments with Alex running around trolling cops. Towards the end there are some rather distasteful interviews with the nutter David Estulin, who is some sort of anti-communist conspiracy nut with sprinkles of religious confusion to make for an even more haphazard mix (he has been involved in the strange right-wing nut groups who keep insisting that somehow the Soviet Union still exists as some sort of hidden government and goes around spreading evil communism and had/has special schools for training agents how to run over General Patton and others).

[mrmikhail]

What? Good points? The only good point he has ever made is against police repression, and that is just because he faces some of it himself.

Alex Jones was also not involved with Loose Change (shit as it was, it was not by him). He has made other "documentaries", which I recommend dearly to everyone who is desperate for a good laugh, such as America Destroyed By Design, wherein he claims that land is being taken over by the United Nations as a part of a communist plot to enslave the USA (with Gorby involved as well) by setting up national parks, Bohemian Grove, where he raves about the boredom-inspired cultist behaviour of degenerate rich-folk at an exclusive club where they pretend-sacrifices and nonsense and to some extent referring to Icke and Co.'s claims on this regard, who like to repeat stories from mentally ill people about being sex slaves hunted down by big dogs at this site by the Bush family and their Reptilian Brethren.

Alex Jones himself says clear of the literal reptilian story - insisting that Icke then is a disinformant of the government, to which Icke retorts the same about Jones. He has also made other films such as 9/11 The Road To Tyranny, which is a mess of random things he has itched together poorly; everything from the September eleventh attacks to some random biology professor saying something vague about human destructive potential and personally attacking this professor as in favour of total earth depopulation.

His work with least nonsense is probably "Martial Law - 9/11 Rise of the Police State", which has some amusing segments with Alex running around trolling cops. Towards the end there are some rather distasteful interviews with the nutter David Estulin, who is some sort of anti-communist conspiracy nut with sprinkles of religious confusion to make for an even more haphazard mix (he has been involved in the strange right-wing nut groups who keep insisting that somehow the Soviet Union still exists as some sort of hidden government and goes around spreading evil communism and had/has special schools for training agents how to run over General Patton and others).

Yes the good points I was speaking of were those on police/government repression.

Completely agree on the rest though, his documentaries throw out some out there conspiracy theories, so much so I wonder if anyone, even Alex himself, believes them. I am thinking Alex is in the school of if you can make up a conspiracy theory about everything, eventually you'll get some of them right.....

But on Loose Change, he was one of the executive producers.

And as a side note on his documentaries, TerrorStorm: A History of Government-Sponsored Terrorism - Second Edition was at least interesting, showing throughout history western governments use of false flag terrorist operations to achieve whatever goals (including the gulf of tonkin affair which the government admits was such to get involved more in Vietnam)

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Yes the good points I was speaking of were those on police/government repression.

Completely agree on the rest though, his documentaries throw out some out there conspiracy theories, so much so I wonder if anyone, even Alex himself, believes them. I am thinking Alex is in the school of if you can make up a conspiracy theory about everything, eventually you'll get some of them right.....

But on Loose Change, he was one of the executive producers.

And as a side note on his documentaries, TerrorStorm: A History of Government-Sponsored Terrorism - Second Edition was at least interesting, showing throughout history western governments use of false flag terrorist operations to achieve whatever goals (including the gulf of tonkin affair which the government admits was such to get involved more in Vietnam)

I think that the very character of his "documentaries" is such to suggest that he does indeed do it for the money and not out of personal conviction. The conspiracy in each and everyone of them is different from the last, though often with some of the same characters and things forming a sort of basal layer of fluff on which he erects the DNA for the mutated polymorph which will be the next film.

ADBD, for example, had a communist conspiracy led by Gorbachev and some sinister United Nations folks, but by the later works it has transformed into something more fashioned by recent paulbot ideas and in particular by the nonsense espoused by the 11/9 Masturbateurs - that "left and right" are "irrelevant" and that we must "move beyond the political spectrum", which represents something of an attempt of a merger between certain lolbertarian groups and the 11/9 Conspiracy Groups, the latter of whom is more ideologically diverse - ergo the rejection of right/left for broader appeal and smooth merger.

The problem is rather that the conspiracy nuts take random facts (does the government lie about things? Has the U.S. government ever did this and that to fuck over its own citizen?) and then extrapolate those into some absurd and ridiculous conclusion. One of the points made in Martial Law - Rise of the Police State, was that Lenin, Mao and Stalin and so on so forth were actually part of a plot to "test" the Global Future Police State funded by the CFR...

[The Old Man from Scene 24]

Although Alex Jones gets some things right, I think he's mostly a lunatic. Also, he claims to be libertarian, but in reality, he's a right-winger.

[mrmikhail]

I think that the very character of his "documentaries" is such to suggest that he does indeed do it for the money and not out of personal conviction. The conspiracy in each and everyone of them is different from the last, though often with some of the same characters and things forming a sort of basal layer of fluff on which he erects the DNA for the mutated polymorph which will be the next film.

ADBD, for example, had a communist conspiracy led by Gorbachev and some sinister United Nations folks, but by the later works it has transformed into something more fashioned by recent paulbot ideas and in particular by the nonsense espoused by the 11/9 Masturbateurs - that "left and right" are "irrelevant" and that we must "move beyond the political spectrum", which represents something of an attempt of a merger between certain lolbertarian groups and the 11/9 Conspiracy Groups, the latter of whom is more ideologically diverse - ergo the rejection of right/left for broader appeal and smooth merger.

The problem is rather that the conspiracy nuts take random facts (does the government lie about things? Has the U.S. government ever did this and that to fuck over its own citizen?) and then extrapolate those into some absurd and ridiculous conclusion. One of the points made in Martial Law - Rise of the Police State, was that Lenin, Mao and Stalin and so on so forth were actually part of a plot to "test" the Global Future Police State funded by the CFR...

I fully agree with you here, 99 or so % of his docus are absolutely absurd accusations and conspiracy theorism

and I believe all of them are to make money for himself, in every one he encourages people to join infowars and prisonplanet....which must be paid for, so I can't say he does much out of conviction at all

The most sad thing of all is that he has an apparently huge following on the far right in general, and especially with the right wing gun toting militia types....

[Crux]

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Which says more about what a far-right little wacko Alex Jones is really.

[RadioRaheem84]

In a sense what he is saying is true though, corporate powers are vested in making people think there is some sort of socialist conspiracy out there, and the President is at the helm.

Jones is not stupid and is can be on point but skewers everything to fit his anti-NWO agenda.

He talks about Beck stealing his schtick, well he steals a lot of progressive concerns and molds them with batshit loony libertarian ideals and concerns too.

[Crux]

In a sense what he is saying is true though, corporate powers are vested in making people think there is some sort of socialist conspiracy out there, and the President is at the helm.

Jones is not stupid and is can be on point but skewers everything to fit his anti-NWO agenda.

He talks about Beck stealing his schtick, well he steals a lot of progressive concerns and molds them with batshit loony libertarian ideals and concerns too.
That is my point that Beck "steals" from Jones says more about Jones than it does about Beck. By the way neither of them tend to feel much need to diffrerentiate between socialists and fascists because they both, for similar reasons even, put forward the idea that "socialists and fascists are basically the same".