Was Trotsky a Fascist Agent?

[ernestolynch]

We all know how Trot was ordered out of the USSR for treachery - Stalin's biggest mistake - Trotsky should have been summarily executed in front of the people in Red Square.

His aims of a Fascist victory over the Soviet people were never realised thankfully. I only wish that the hound had seen the defeat of his Nazi paymasters in 1945. Trust Trot to organise his own assassination in order to increase his popularity amongst the Liberal Middle-Classes of western Europe and North America.

I've scraped better shit from the sole of my shoes...

[Ian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 12:08 AM
Trust Trot to organise his own assassination in order to increase his popularity amongst the Liberal Middle-Classes of western Europe and North America.
Erm, Ernesto I don't think he would have organised his own assasination, but oh well.

I found this at Red Comrades so make of it what you will,

'Adolf Hitler read Trotsky's autobiography as soon as it was published. Hitler's biographer, Konrad Heiden, tells in 'Der Fuehrer' how the Nazi leader surprised a circle of his friends in 1930 by bursting into rapturous praise of Trotsky's book' ('The Great Conspiracy Against Russia,' Kahn and Sayers).

'Brilliant!' cried Hitler, waving Trotsky's 'My Life' at his followers. I have learned a great deal and so can you!' ('Great Conspiracy').

[ernestolynch]

Thanks for that snippet - more fuel to the fire...

I have in my possession a signed letter by Lev himself - I've scanned it and put it online at http://www.cominform.org/trot.htm

[Ian]

But as I said, it is from Red Comrades and a lot of people hate them, but it could quite possibly be true.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by Ian Rocks+Nov 14 2003, 08:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ian Rocks @ Nov 14 2003, 08:14 PM)
[email protected] 15 2003, 12:08 AM
Trust Trot to organise his own assassination in order to increase his popularity amongst the Liberal Middle-Classes of western Europe and North America.
Erm, Ernesto I don&#39;t think he would have organised his own assasination, but oh well.

I found this at Red Comrades so make of it what you will,

&#39;Adolf Hitler read Trotsky&#39;s autobiography as soon as it was published. Hitler&#39;s biographer, Konrad Heiden, tells in &#39;Der Fuehrer&#39; how the Nazi leader surprised a circle of his friends in 1930 by bursting into rapturous praise of Trotsky&#39;s book&#39; (&#39;The Great Conspiracy Against Russia,&#39; Kahn and Sayers).

&#39;Brilliant&#33;&#39; cried Hitler, waving Trotsky&#39;s &#39;My Life&#39; at his followers. I have learned a great deal and so can you&#33;&#39; (&#39;Great Conspiracy&#39;). [/b]
what a great Trotsky insult that was.
I bet that pissed him off.

[Ian]

Pissed who off?

[Rastafari]

wait...when did Hitler say this?

[Scottish_Militant]

Of course Trotsky was a fascist, anyone who&#39;s ever read any of his books will tell you that :rolleyes:

You vile little rat....

Remember Stalins &#39;toast&#39; to Hitler?

[Kez]

damn kraut

[Rastafari]

dirty hun bastard&#33;

[canikickit]

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. this is truly pathetic, Mr. Lynch.


Trust Trot to organise his own assassination in order to increase his popularity amongst the Liberal Middle-Classes of western Europe and North America.

Yeah, the bastard was always one step ahead, right up until his death&#33; Crafty bastard&#33;

What is this anyway, why are you so obsessively hateful towards Trotsky? You sound delusional...the accusations of a complex suicide plot, the "signed letter", what else will you pull out of your sleeve?

[Bolshevika]

We all know how Trot was ordered out of the USSR for treachery - Stalin&#39;s biggest mistake - Trotsky should have been summarily executed in front of the people in Red Square.

I agree

Trotsky was a subversionist, opportunist bastard. During his short (hehehe) stay in Mexico he cooperated with the FBI and other groups. He was a menshevik bastard who somehow fooled Lenin into thinking he was a Marxist, when in reality he was a social democrat who join the Bolsheviks and instated his "war communism".

[Ortega]

arent there any trotskyites here??? :blink:

[Ian]

There are a few here or there, there aren&#39;t too many of them these days.

[Hampton]

ernestolynch trying once again to conceal his man love for Trotsky.

Keep it here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=18983) if you want to talk how Leon planned his own death.

[Scottish_Militant]

Trotsky explained that fascism emerges as a force when capitalism enters a severe crisis, when it can no longer govern on the basis of granting reforms and thus stabilise society. It emerges when the ruling class needs to smash the organisations of the working class. But precisely because the ruling class itself is too small a social base with which to hold down the workers it needs to mobilise the petty bourgeoisie which has been driven crazy by the crisis of capitalism itself. The masses of the petty bourgeoisie (together with the lumpenproletariat and even some of the more backward layers of the workers) thus provide an army of spies and collaborators, present in every street, every block, every factory, with which to control and hold down the working class.

Trotsky explained that it is not possible to hold down the working class for long simply by using the forces of the military police state apparatus. Thus what we saw in Germany and Italy was the bourgeoisie using the fascists to smash the labour movement. But it paid a price for this, it lost immediate political power in handing it over to demagogues such as Hitler and Mussolini, who based themselves precisely on this frenzied petty bourgeoisie.

Inflation, bankruptcy of small firms and small farmers, mass unemployment among the professional classes, the technicians and the higher salaried employees creates a ferment among those sections of society and the classical petty bourgeoisie, which can either be used to bring these masses closer to the proletariat in the struggle for socialism or, failing that, be welded into a battering ram to be used against the working class.

What it is and how to fight it - by Leon Trotsky (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm)

Clearly the works of a Nazi lover isn&#39;t it?

[YKTMX]

I agree

Trotsky was a subversionist, opportunist bastard. During his short (hehehe) stay in Mexico he cooperated with the FBI and other groups. He was a menshevik bastard who somehow fooled Lenin into thinking he was a Marxist, when in reality he was a social democrat who join the Bolsheviks and instated his "war communism".



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHahHAhAHHAh :lol: :lol:

[Red Louisiana]

Gotta love stalinist paranoia&#33;

[Saint-Just]

If only Trotsky had been more astute in acting on his feelings of paranoia he may have lived a bit longer.

[Morpheus]

Trotsky had a lot of stupid ideas and there&#39;s plenty to criticize in his actual behavior, but the allegation that he was a fascist agent is an absurd smear. None of the Stalinists here have presented any proof of this allegation.

[Soviet power supreme]

Trust Trot to organise his own assassination in order to increase his popularity amongst the Liberal Middle-Classes of western Europe and North America.


Maybe. I haven&#39;t seen the body.

[Red Louisiana]

The Russian revolution is both our blessing and our Curse; on the one hand, it offers us insight on how to run a revolutionary government, and practical application of proletarian rule - on the other hand, after Lenin&#39;s death, the revolution collapsed, Stalinists hailed it, and Trots worshipped their lost Trotsky :)

[crazy comie]

Trust the stalinists to make up that load of shit