Can someone link me to a chart of how a communist society would be organized

[rundontwalk]

I'm in a debate elsewhere, and need some kind of chart to help explain myself. I recall seeing one around here somewhere that had how everything would, hypothetically, be laid out. I mean in terms of the layers of organization (workplace, local, regional).

Thanks for the help!

[Smyg]

We have no idea.

[rundontwalk]

I know.

But I remember seeing a chart here of a hypothetical scenario. It went something like workers sending someone to regional councils. It was about the distribution of resources I think.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Honestly, I think it's worth emphasizing how silly a chart would be in the context of trying to explain the organization of a future communist society. Really, the idea smacks of the worst parts of the technocratic forms that characterize capitalist social organization.
In any case, you're probably better off posing questions ("Every situation is different - how would you organize your neighbourhood? Your workplace?"), then trying to outline answers, unless they're answers that pertain to specific concrete experience ("When we did 'X' we organized it like 'Y'.").

[Broletariat]

That would be from Ckhaitsu

[Manic Impressive]

I remember #F0000 posted quite a good one a while ago. Perhaps try sending him a pm.

[∞]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=8499&stc=1&d=1323160312

[thefinalmarch]

I remember #F0000 posted quite a good one a while ago. Perhaps try sending him a pm.
The picture in question:
http://workers-party.com/images/ppoimages/content/20090601b-full.gif
Of course, I have my doubts when it comes to predicting how communist society will be organised.

[rundontwalk]

That's the exact picture I was thinking of, thanks.

[Sputnik_1]

You can't really predict it, apart from some general things like no state, no money, no classes. Marx himself, nonetheless he provided a detailed analysis and critique of capitalism, never wrote any book on how future communist society should be organized.

[eyedrop]

You can't really predict it, apart from some general things like no state, no money, no classes.
This just sounds like an evangelical describing heaven.

People aren't really trying to predict it, what a chart like that is supposed to say is that there are viable different society-wide organizational method apart from what we have now. No one is saying it will be like this, but this is a way it could work. Obviously actually trying to set it up would show plenty of weaknesses and plenty of 'reconfigurations' would be done, if it isn't top down implemented.

[aty]

Workers' Councils and the Economics of a Self-Managed Society
Cornelius Castoriadishttp://www.marxists.org/archive/castoriadis/1972/workers-councils.htm

http://www.marxists.org/archive/castoriadis/1972/001.png

[Smyg]

The one above is rather, euhm, outdated, I'd say.

[Renegade Saint]

Have you read State and Revolution? Lenin goes into some detail about that in the section "What is to replace the smashed state machine?" and the sections following. I don't think I have enough posts to post a link, but it's on Marxists.org.

Now if you're looking for a ready-made constitution or something you're on a fool's errand. Anything that anyone proposes at this point would almost certainly be modified heavily due to the material circumstances of the situation as well as differences of opinion within the working classes on specifics.

[Kassad]

Communists should be scientific. If we're going to apply our ideology into a mechanical chart, then we've obviously lost sight of our goals. Marxism isn't a dogma. It's a science we apply to the world around us and any kind of "chart" should be filled with a lot of blanks, because there will be contradictions that we do not yet understand.

[Catma]

Science doesn't require that you leave blanks, just that you revise your theories in the face of evidence. I see nothing wrong with making charts as long as it's understood that they're probably not permanent.

I really dislike this idea that we can't even begin to try to assume what predictions might theoretically be made about future society. If you don't have a theory, just say so. If you do, present it and be prepared to revise it. Just claiming that describing future society is futile is, among other things, a terribly unconvincing argument.