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Sasha
5th December 2011, 15:05
LHC/CERN keeps on delivering:
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/12/post_87.html

piet11111
5th December 2011, 18:43
This and quantum entanglement at a macroscopic level make me a very happy geek.

GPDP
5th December 2011, 19:35
I have said it before, the Higgs will not be found, at least if my theory is correct.
My take on dark energy and dark matter is, that they are miscalculations, stemming from our presumption that the speed of light is constant.
What if the speed of light varies through time and space?
That creates some interesting theory, at least I think so.
And the Higgs cannot exist.
Antimatter is the mind and consciousness of all living entities.
You are your own universe.
Reality is where the minds (antimatter) meets the physical universe.
Interested? Then read my philosophical multiverse theory.
Google crestroyer theory, and find it instantly.
http://crestroyertheory.com/the-theory/




It's a non quantum sub ev world out there. Gravitation and mass are due to a very different form of particle or particles, no resemblance with Higgs. Look for DCE research in Sweden, if you want to see the shape of the things to come. Eventually STR will be marginalized and space and mass will be seen as interchangeable. The UFOs are from the sub quantum world which the SM had been trying to write off for a century. It is the inertial locking of space which needs to be understood and STR needs to be modified before LHC folks can read what they see. I had been conducting experiments and some information could be found on my site anadish.com . You may not take me seriously for the time being; however, with 'time' things will change, as the need to explain the anomalies at LHC grow!

I lol'd. Good to see the pseudo-scientists and quacks are still hard at work peddling their snake oil in the comments sections of websites, the only place they could ever get a platform, in the face of real, visible scientific research. Stay classy, New Age-ists.

Sasha
13th December 2011, 19:08
We may have glimpsed the Higgs boson, say Cern scientists

Physicists have seen strong hints the Higgs boson exists, but a firm discovery may not come before the end of 2012







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Scientists could have caught their first glimpse of the Higgs boson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/higgs-boson), the curious particle thought to underpin the subatomic workings of nature.
Hundreds of physicists crowded into a seminar room at Cern (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/cern), the European particle physics (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/physics) laboratory near Geneva on Tuesday, breaking into applauseas Fabiola Gianotti (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/08/fabiola-gianotti-100-women) and Guido Tonelli (http://cms.web.cern.ch/tags/guido-tonelli), who lead separate teams at Cern's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), revealed evidence for the particle amid the debris of hundreds of trillions of proton collisions at the machine.
Thousands more tried to watch online – although the live feed crashed shortly after the meeting started.
First postulated in the mid-1960s, the Higgs boson has become the most coveted prize in particle physics (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/particlephysics). Its discovery would rank among the most important scientific advances of the past 100 years and confirm how elementary particles acquire mass.
While the results are not conclusive – the hints of the particle could fade when the LHC collects more data next year – they are the strongest evidence so far that the Higgs particle is there to be found.
"We have narrowed down the region where the Higgs particle is most likely to be, and we see some interesting signals, but we need more data before we can reach any firm conclusions," said Gianotti, who heads the team that works on the collider's enormous Atlas detector. "It's been a busy time, but a very exciting time."
Finding the Higgs boson has been a major goal for the £10bn LHC after a less powerful machine at Cern called LEP failed to find the missing particle before it closed for business in 2000. The hunt was joined by scientists at the Tevatron collider near Chicago, who will present their own results early next year.
The Higgs boson is the signature particle of a theory published by six physicists within a few months of each other in 1964. Peter Higgs at Edinburgh University (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/17/sciencenews.particlephysics) was the first to point out that the theory called for the existence of the missing particle.
According to the theory, an invisible energy field fills the vacuum of space throughout the universe. When some particles move through the field they feel drag and gain weight as a result. Others, such as particles of light, or photons, feel no drag at all and remain massless.
Without the field – or something to do its job – all fundamental particles would weigh nothing and hurtle around at the speed of light. That would spell disaster for the formation of familiar atoms in the early universe and rule out life as we know it.
While the field is thought to give mass to fundamental particles, including quarks and electrons (the two kinds of particles that make up atoms), it accounts for only one or two percent of the weight of an atom itself, or any everyday object. That is because most mass comes from the energy that glues quarks together inside atoms.
To hunt for the Higgs boson, physicists at the LHC sift through showers of subatomic debris that spew out when protons collide in the machine at close to the speed of light. Most of the energy released in these microscopic fireballs is converted into well known particles that are identified by the collider's giant detectors.
Occasionally, the collisions might create a Higgs boson, but it is expected disintegrate immediately into more familiar particles. To find it, scientists must look for telltale "excesses" of particles that signify Higgs boson decays. They appear as bumps, or peaks, in the data.
Speaking at the seminar, the scientists said they had narrowed down the range of masses the Higgs boson could have – particle masses are measured in gigaelectronvolts (GeV), where one GeV is roughly equivalent to the mass of a proton, a subatomic particle found in atomic nuclei.
The CMS has excluded all Higgs masses except 115-128Gev, so between them the two experiments leave only 115-127GeV as the most probable Higgs mass, with both teams seeing signals between 124 and 126GeV.
Particle physicists use a "sigma" scale to grade the significance of results, from one to five. One and two sigma results are unreliable because they come and go with statistical fluctuations in the data. A three sigma result counts as an "observation", while a five sigma result is enough to claim an official discovery. There is less than a one in a million chance of a five sigma result being a statistical fluke.
At Tuesday's seminar, the Atlas team reported a 2.3 sigma bump in their data that could be a Higgs boson weighing 126GeV, while the CMS team reported a 1.9 sigma Higgs signal at a mass of around 124GeV. There is a 1% chance that the Atlas result could be due to a random fluctuation in the data.
Oliver Buchmueller, a physicist on the CMS experiment, said: "We see a small bump around the same mass as the Atlas team and that is intriguing. It means we have two experiments seeing the same thing and that is exactly how we would expect a Higgs signal to build up."
Early next year, the Atlas and CMS teams will pool their results, a move that should see the signals strengthen. Both teams are expected to need around four times as much data before they can finally confirm whether or not the Higgs boson exists. That might be difficult to collect before the end of next year, when the machine is due to close for at least a year for an upgrade before it can run at its full design power.
"There is definitely a hint of something around 125GeV but it's not a discovery yet. We need more data! I'm keeping my champagne on ice," said Jeff Forshaw, a physicist at Manchester University. "It should be said this is a fantastic achievement by all concerned. The machine has been working wonderfully and it is great to be closing in on the Higgs so soon."
Ben Allanach, a theoretical physicist at Cambridge University, agreed: "My own personal feeling is that they probably have some kind of Higgs – with excesses seen by both experiments in several different ways. Of course, discovery cannot be officially claimed yet, but I do feel in my heart of hearts that we have just seen the precursor to a discovery announcement."
The director general of Cern, Rolf-Dieter Heuer, said: "I find it fantastic that we have the first results in the search for the Higgs, but keep in mind these are preliminary results. The window for the Higgs mass gets smaller and smaller, however it is still alive … It's intriguing hints in several channels, in two experiments, but we have not found it yet, we have not excluded it yet."
If the glimpse of the Higgs boson turns into a formal sighting next year, it may be one of several Higgs particles outlined in a radical theory of nature called supersymmetry. The theory, which says that every known type of particle has an undiscovered twin, is popular among many physicists because it explains how some of the forces of nature might have behaved as one in the early universe. Unifying these fundamental forces was a feat that eluded Einstein to the grave.
Dick Hagen, a physicist at Rochester University who helped to develop the Higgs theory in 1964, said: "Einstein once said that God may be subtle but he is not perverse. Today's results seem to favour the simplest manifestation of [the Higgs mechanism], and that is very gratifying as it coincides with the choice we made in 1964 – not to mention the more personal issue that more complicated versions could easily fail to appear in the lifetimes of its principal authors."






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