If Che were female

[che's long lost daughter]

If che was a woman, who do you think would she be?

[Bianconero]

I'm sorry, but this is getting disgusting. This 'Che' - nostalgia is making the whole movement look so ridiculous. Get over it kids, he was a human being. Yes, he led a life that should be an example to all of us, but that's about it. There is not more to say. We should not worship him more than all the other millions of revolutionaries who sacrificed their lives for their cause, for the people.

[SonofRage]

I wish it were only getting disgusting but sadly this place been filled with Che pop-star worship as long as I can remember. Like I've said in the past, it's not long until we have the "Che has a cute butt" thread. :angry:

[che's long lost daughter]

I&#39;m SORRY if this topic has made you think that this is getting DISGUSTING <_< ...i was just thinking why aren&#39;t there any female revolutionaries (if there are even any) who at least was able to accomplish even a smithereen of what che has been able to...I think women are as much as capable as men...even without all the facial hair

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 05:24 PM
I wish it were only getting disgusting but sadly this place been filled with Che pop-star worship as long as I can remember. Like I&#39;ve said in the past, it&#39;s not long until we have the "Che has a cute butt" thread. :angry:
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA,

Ok yea this thread was kind of dum, let&#39;s keep them at a level were there not just stupid. Like what if Che had wings and that stuff.

Anyways let me answer the question. He would not have been accepted to lead his group because he would have been doing what all the other girls did. Helping the wounded and making food and trading weapons. That simple and this should be under Che Guevara part of this forum not politics.

I don&#39;t want to add on and be like these threads are annoying but let’s keep it normal because I too am getting annoyed of all these threads. I get the feeling that people are talking about him like those people that buy the shirt and don’t know who he is. Too many of these are out there so let’s make them actually worth talking about.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by che&#39;s long lost [email protected] 14 2003, 05:33 PM
I&#39;m SORRY if this topic has made you think that this is getting DISGUSTING <_< ...i was just thinking why aren&#39;t there any female revolutionaries (if there are even any) who at least was able to accomplish even a smithereen of what che has been able to...I think women are as much as capable as men...even without all the facial hair
There are those that helped in the revolution but you need to keep in mind woman couldn&#39;t do a lot of the things that they could do today. Meaning they wouldn’t have been accepted at the time Che was living.

Although you can look at Che’s daughter and she is actively speaking now days. :)

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by che&#39;s long lost [email protected] 14 2003, 09:33 PM
i was just thinking why aren&#39;t there any female revolutionaries (if there are even any) who at least was able to accomplish even a smithereen of what che has been able to...I think women are as much as capable as men...even without all the facial hair
You must of heard of Tiana, she was noted by all the communist powers in the world and was with Che in Bolivia

[che's long lost daughter]

Papa, don&#39;t get me worng ok? ;)

[che's long lost daughter]

I think I should have just put this topic on chit-chat...I don&#39;t even know what is this doing in Politics


I admire che as much as all of you do and don&#39;t mistake me for someone who wears a che shirt without even knowing who he is and what he has fought for...I admit this thread was "kinda dum" and I should have just asked if there are any female revolutionaries who deserves as much respect and admiration as che...I think you all got me wrong or I had it all wrong

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

its ok, we all make mess up once an a while. :P I like your comeback


if there are any female revolutionaries who deserves as much respect and admiration as che

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

sillyness. I agree with Bianconero n SonofRage etc, its goin 2 far&#33;

[Faceless]

I&#39;m SORRY if this topic has made you think that this is getting DISGUSTING ...i was just thinking why aren&#39;t there any female revolutionaries (if there are even any) who at least was able to accomplish even a smithereen of what che has been able to...I think women are as much as capable as men...even without all the facial hair ...
...
Rosa Luxemburg?
Stupid thread.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Don&#39;t whine, it&#39;s the T-shirts and popculture around Che-Guevera which brings them here. It&#39;s the discussions and the learning proces which makes them revolutionaries.

So stick around, don&#39;t complain and answer the same questions over and over. The conqueration of the world goes through words and not bullets.

[redstar2000]

There have indeed been many female revolutionaries and there will certainly be many more in the future.

Three of the most famous were Rosa Luxemburg, Alexandra Kollentai, and Emma Goldman. Look them up on Google and you will be quite surprised.

And pleased.

Could there have been a "female Che"? It would have been difficult but certainly not impossible.

There is an enormous amount of patriarchal and misogynist propaganda aimed especially at women...to attack their potential for independent thought and personal autonomy. That&#39;s very hard to overcome.

But women have done it...and more will do it.

I hope you will be one of them.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[Soul Rebel]

I dont even want to answer this because i think its a ridiculous thread, but im going to anyways.

My answer is the female guerilla fighter Companera Eugena.

[EneME]

I&#39;d have to say that it is true that male&#39;s will always be put more on a pedastile as "warriors" or "soldiers" than a female would be. I believe female&#39;s are socially not encouraged to go into politics as well as certain careers such as criminal justice, science, math as well as others. Many females have served for the revolution but aren&#39;t talked about or given as much credit as they should. For myself, my aunt is the most important revolutionary in my eyes. During our Civil War in the 80&#39;s and 90&#39;s there were many female guerillas including my aunt....which was more dangerous because the majority of the gov&#39;t soldiers were male and female guerillas were frequently raped on top of being mutilated. Here&#39;s some pics..
http://jeremybigwood.net/El_Salvador/images/girls-Morazan1990.jpg
http://jeremybigwood.net/El_Salvador/images/radistas%20traningADJ.jpg
http://jeremybigwood.net/El_Salvador/images/Marta.jpg

[Saint-Just]

There may not be female geurrillas as well known as Che Guevara, but there are many women in the revolutionary movements in Nepal, Colombia, Philippines and Peru.

A squad of female revolutionaries in Nepal:

http://rwor.org/i/nepal/squad2.jpg

The People&#39;s War in Nepal:

http://www.insof.org/rolpa_mass.jpg

[Danton]

The Mujeres libre&#39;s, the female wing of the anarchists in the spanish civil war took up arms but individuals are harder to name. In comparison to Che the woman that springs most readily to mind is the guerrillera Tania who died in Bolivia fighting the same fight..

Shame on the people dissing what is an interesting hypothetical question from the companera...

Boadicea, queen of the Iceni.. She fought Roman imperialism..

[RedFW]

Shame on the people dissing what is an interesting hypothetical question from the companera...

I agree.

And I fail to see how this thread and the question in the first post could be construed as disgusting, stupid or silly. Even if the first question was slightly vague, she clarified for everyone in her second post exactly what her intentions were.

I don&#39;t think you owe anyone here an apology for using Che as an example to learn about female counterparts. I would put forward Emma Goldman, but that is simply because I know more about her than some of the others mentioned. ;)

[&#39;&#39;electra&#39;&#39;]

if che was a woman he may had taken part in the cuban revolution but he would never have been a commandante&generally he would have never been that famous.Not that women are less capable than men but at the time that he lived a &#39;&#39;female leader&#39;&#39; would be sth impossible to imagine.Even nowdays men&women are not completely equal.Unfortunately we live in a society full of discriminations.That&#39;s why i love our community so much.We&#39;re all equal here&#33;

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I have also noticed the overwhelming number of men in revolutionary politics... at least in visible positions such as leadership...

I, for one, am dissapointed that radical leftists have not made a better example historically of representing women in leadership. There have been radical leaders that were female, most notably Luxemburg and Goldman. Also, Helen Keller was a pro-USSR socialist.

Politics still seems to be a boys&#39; club... it has not integrated nearly as fast as other parts of society... how do we get more women into politics?

[redstar2000]

...how do we get more women into politics?

Lacking any "grand strategy", how about a little common sense?

Like listening to what women say and taking it seriously...

Like refusing to put up with misogynist terminology (you know what the words are)...

Like jumping on openly misogynist politics with the same vehemence that we would jump on openly racist politics...

Simple things...but all too rare even here.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 01:35 PM

Shame on the people dissing what is an interesting hypothetical question from the companera...

Boadicea, queen of the Iceni.. She fought Roman imperialism..
Thanks for looking deeper into my question, others were just too shallow to understand ;) ...and I would be doing a research on Boadicea :D


Mabuhay ka Compañero&#33; :rolleyes:

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 09:34 AM


And I fail to see how this thread and the question in the first post could be construed as disgusting, stupid or silly. Even if the first question was slightly vague, she clarified for everyone in her second post exactly what her intentions were.

I don&#39;t think you owe anyone here an apology for using Che as an example to learn about female counterparts. I would put forward Emma Goldman, but that is simply because I know more about her than some of the others mentioned. ;)
Cheers to you&#33; :D

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by che&#39;s long lost [email protected] 14 2003, 09:33 PM
...i was just thinking why aren&#39;t there any female revolutionaries (if there are even any)
umm there were females that frought under fidel in cuba

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 06:42 AM
umm there were females that frought under fidel in cuba
Right... isn&#39;t there a woman general in Cuba today, who was a leader under Fidel in the 26 of July movement?

[Felicia]

Originally posted by che&#39;s long lost [email protected] 14 2003, 06:33 PM
I&#39;m SORRY if this topic has made you think that this is getting DISGUSTING <_< ...i was just thinking why aren&#39;t there any female revolutionaries (if there are even any) who at least was able to accomplish even a smithereen of what che has been able to...I think women are as much as capable as men...even without all the facial hair
Of course there are female revolutionaries&#33;

Back then, a woman&#39;s place wasn&#39;t always with a gun, on the battle field. But there were still women who fought and died for the socialist ideal. Tania, for example, fought with Che in Bolivia, and was murdered. Today, 30% of the FARC&#39;s force are women, treated equally with the male fighters, and have the same weapons, with female comandanta&#39;s.

There was a woman arrested a couple of years ago, in Chile (or peru) for revolutionary activities, I saw some footage of her being pulled, kicking and yelling, by some men- I assume authorities. I wish I could remember her name.

I suppose that it all depends on who history decides to make famous, and it&#39;s been more about the men in the past but who know&#39;s who will emerge on the public front for the future. I&#39;m holding my breath. All in all, the gender of the revolutionary doesn&#39;t matter, it&#39;s the heart and commitment of the revolutionary that makes them who they are, and will catapault them into "idol" status. However, I don&#39;t feel that it&#39;s the "famous" revolutionaries that are the most important, it&#39;s the ones that fought and died for the same beliefs, and in the same fight, that had no individual acknowledgement for it. The men and women who would never see their goal of revolution and the seisure of power realized, but had faith in themselves and their leaders that it would happen, so that they could give their all in the fight with NO regrets.

Otherwise, to give my opinion on your question, "if che was a girl"......... I bet (s)he would have worn a bra in the jungles of Cuba, the Congo and Bolivia, and probably would have been sexually assaulted when captured in Bolivia (don&#39;t hate me for saying it, it&#39;s a harsh reality, (s)he probably would have bene raped). However, (s)he may have also developed into a symbol of feminism, not just social justice between classes, but between the sexes aswell.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 16 2003, 07:45 PM
Politics still seems to be a boys&#39; club... it has not integrated nearly as fast as other parts of society... how do we get more women into politics?
Bah&#33;

You finally let us vote, after we have to fight like hell for that right, now you want us to do everything?

I&#39;m teasing you, you know that? :P

But really, women are not viewed as equal by society at large, it&#39;s hard to be taken seriously. Some men even insult our driving, men who would think that way would never vote for a female prime minister.

However, Oprah should run for president :D
Not only would she win, but she&#39;d run as a democrat, she&#39;d be the first woman AND the first visible minority to sit in the oval office. A great victory in my opinion.

[Chewillneverdie]

Not being sexist or anything, but if you read Guerrilla Warfare he sates somethings that most womens places are not on the battlefield. Sorry but i doubt Che would have been Comandante if he was a woman, bad asthma had him bad enough. Not to mention, at the time most men didnt really aprove of women in the military. So i dont really know lol

[Chewillneverdie]

OMG OPRAH? :blink: wait fat oprah or oprah whos head was to big for her body? I hate her lol if you wanna minority for president, i say Tom Morello or................................Tom Morello haha. Sorry for my posts, i can barely see straight im so tired

[MXR]

I kind of consider Assata Shakur a revolutionary in some was who has atleast made a difference in my life, I can now see one of the many injustices still going on in America today

[Danton]

Assata is a great example&#33;

[Monty Cantsin]

all you&#39;ve done with this topic "If che was a woman, who do you think would she be? " is degrade his name and his memory. this kind of popy talk about che will make people think his ideas are dead.

[RedFW]

all you&#39;ve done with this topic "If che was a woman, who do you think would she be? " is degrade his name and his memory. this kind of popy talk about che will make people think his ideas are dead.

I disagree. Why is it degrading? The poster wanted to learn about Che&#39;s female counterparts. If anything, it is setting Che up as an example, a demarcation from which to work form to learn about women with similar ideas or who took similar action; far from making people think his ideas are dead, it is locating them in other people.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 12:01 AM
OMG OPRAH? :blink: wait fat oprah or oprah whos head was to big for her body? I hate her lol if you wanna minority for president, i say Tom Morello or................................Tom Morello haha. Sorry for my posts, i can barely see straight im so tired
"fat oprah" huh?

Shut the fuck up. Kids like you need to grow up and stop insulting such rediculous things as someone&#39;s weight.