OI Introductions

[Sentinel]

Restricted members, and people who expect to be restricted, may introduce themselves in this thread. In other words, leftists are supposed to use the Introductions forum for that purpose. This thread is not meant for discussion; only introduction posts are allowed.

If you have questions to a new member please present them either by Visitor or Private Message -- unless of course it's about some aspect of their politics; in that case feel free to start a new thread.

Finally, posting of identifying personal information is forbidden as per board rules.

[Balaer]

Hello,

I guess I fit best here.

People consider me a leftwinger, and I am associated with a lot of Marxists, but my own political views are somewhere between guild socialism and distributism (non-fascist, to be clear, because a lot of fascists seem to hijack this ideology).

Officially I'm a Catholic, but I tend to feel closer to Anglicanism (especially the branch of Anglo-Catholic socialism).

I am strongly committed to the Open Source movement and to environmentalism.

EDIT: Could an admin or mod make clear if I ought to be restricted or not? Thanks in advance. :-)

[Omar the Lucky]

This is Skooma Addict. I forgot my old password and for some reason my old email doesn't exist anymore.

[Revolution starts with U]

Hey Skooma :lol:

Long time no see :thumbup1:

[RGacky3]

Lets see, I remember most of the prolific capitalist apologists here.

You had
Havet: The reasonable one that actually respected rationality, and followed logic

Bud Struggle: The proudly ignorant one that trolled and every argument he gave was torn up untill all he had was "well we're winning"

Lt Ferret: Who seamed like juts an angry guy with some sort of disdain for people

Rothberg: Mr. Goldstandard who argued that if there was a trace of ANYTHING government it MUST be the cause of any failure in capitalism.
Baseball: The one trick pony with the trick that never worked, i.e. "you can't lay out a perfect flawless system that I can't find some hypothetical defeater."

Trivas: The guy who sounded like he read Hagel, Wittenssomething (I forget his name the guy whos philosophy is basically unintelligable), and the existentialists while taking magic mushrooms and.

And then Skooma, but I forget what his thing was.

[Revolution starts with U]

Skooma's thing was basically hanging around in OI chit chat, but occasionally venturing out to clarify that he kind-of agreed with Austrians, and a little bit agreed with Post Keynesians, but mostly just believed in Capitalism, because poor people get what they deserve. Oh, and feminists are holding men down in society.

I think that's about right... :thumbup1:

EDIT: Trivas eventually joined our side, I believe. That's probably why we haven't seen him/her in a while; went out to do battle with his newfound weapons of intelligence.

[RGacky3]

Now I remember, yeah.

[Omar the Lucky]

Skooma's thing was basically hanging around in OI chit chat, but occasionally venturing out to clarify that he kind-of agreed with Austrians, and a little bit agreed with Post Keynesians, but mostly just believed in Capitalism, because poor people get what they deserve. Oh, and feminists are holding men down in society.


Idk if you were being serious or not but that is actually pretty close to correct. But since this is OI introductions and I never did this before, I will clarify.

I agree with Keynesians and Austrains on some points, but I am mostly Neoclassical. Although I don't think economics alone is very useful for understanding society. I am a capitalist, although that term is very vague and can imply a number of policies. For example, I don't support the economic structure of Zimbabwe even if it is considered capitalist. As for poor people, I do not think they get what they deserve. There are a number of unfair advantages given to the rich and their children, while at the same time there is discrimination towards the poor. I think feminists are a very bad influence on men and women in society because most modern feminists are just women who are angry at men and/or sexist. 5 5 5 is a good example.

[RGacky3]

he got banned?

[Revolution starts with U]

Probably for creating a "sock puppet" even tho he came here and told who he was and why he wasn't on his regular account.

[Aphex]

Hiya all. I'm Aphex, proud member of the petty bourgeois. I have nothing but contempt for you all so I suppose I should be restricted. Good day!

[dodger]

You seem to have utter contempt for yourself too. Hardly surprising you hold others low. Rather than waste our time I suggest you try one or a cocktail of the many drugs, , legal/illegal that raise self esteem. Good Luck!! Aphex....tation......not many!

[Revolution starts with U]

CORRECTION: Skooma got banned for sexism. It's too bad. His position is disgusting. But he was never too much of an interruption.

[#FF0000]

EDIT: Trivas eventually joined our side, I believe. That's probably why we haven't seen him/her in a while; went out to do battle with his newfound weapons of intelligence.

Trivas was "our side" to begin with. He was a Marxist-Leninist before going Libertarian or Objectivist or something.

[Revolution starts with U]

I know a lot of potential leftists who get easily sucked in by objectivism/right libertarianism. Mostly it's because it's a nice sounding "theory" devoid of any actual historical foundations, with good cool words like "liberty" and "non-aggression," and they are just people who know nothing of history or politics.

[RGacky3]

All you need to do to avoid libertarianism is an understanding of economics, and the way capitalism functions.

If the libertarians utopia actually came about, capitalism would collapse anyway, so its not their vision thats bad, its the fact that all of their short term policies that get used are the ones that hurt the working class.

[#FF0000]

All you need to do to avoid libertarianism is an understanding of economics, and the way capitalism functions.

or a basic understanding of what classical liberalism actually is.

real talk the modern libertarian movement has no understanding of the stuff they say they're based on

[NGNM85]

or a basic understanding of what classical liberalism actually is.

real talk the modern libertarian movement has no understanding of the stuff they say they're based on

I have yet to meet anyone, who identifies as a 'Classical Liberal', who actually fits the bill. Invariably, they turn out to be disciples of Ayn Rand, or von Mises, as opposed to guys like Adam Smith, or James Madison.

[Jason]

Hi, I am pro-capitalist, but anti-free trade. I hope to have some good discussions in the Opposing Ideologies section.

[NoMasters]

Name is Jim. American-Albanian. Affluent background. Aspiring Pacifist. Leftist. Anarchist. Student.

I am a radical left anarchist that wants to bring about the same goal all leftists do, but with realistic means rather than delusions of grander that suggest world revolution all at once with a perfect outcome. Improve what we have to achieve our goals in the future.

That all obviously constitutes why I am posting in the OI. :rolleyes:

[Ostrinski]

So you're a pacifist but believe in "realistic means" of action. Cute.

[NGNM85]

I’m NGNM85, and I’m an alcoholic.

Whoops!

Just kidding. Philosophically, I would describe myself as an Anarchist, or a Libertarian Socialist. My biggest ideological influences include Emma Goldman, Mikhail Bakunin, Peter Kropotkin, Rudolf Rocker, and Noam Chomsky. My other interests include pop culture, psychology, the natural sciences, especially physics, and philosophy.

I am also a Revleft Expert on the subjects of Science Fiction, Punk & Alternative Music, (Including, but not limited to; Goth, Grunge, Oi, and Ska.) and Serial Homicide. If anybody would like to know more about these subjects, I would be happy to answer your questions, or to make reading recommendations.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Hmm...I'm surprised I haven't posted here.

I was a fairly well-known member back in the day, known for shifting ideologies on a whim. Oh well. My political development has been a long and stressful journey. Obviously I started with radical leftist ideologies eventually making my way over to the right and becoming an ardent supporter of capitalism. I have woke up since then and have condemned certain capitalistic practices; now I just consider myself an anti-war, welfare/social services supporting moderate.

Among other less important details are that I'm also a muslim despite being quite unorthodox in my views. I also enjoy creative writing, reading, studying history and culture, playing video games, and various other things I can't be bothered to list.

Pasta and cats are also wonderful, but not together obviously.

*tl;dr version* I'm actually a pretty dull ass boring person who can't make up her mind about shit.

[Revolution starts with U]

Have you ever tried kitten Alfredo? How can you call it bad?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Have you ever tried kitten Alfredo? How can you call it bad?

Shhhhhhh!!! Shut up!

looooool.

[Manifesto]

Hmm...I'm surprised I haven't posted here.

I was a fairly well-known member back in the day, known for shifting ideologies on a whim. Oh well. My political development has been a long and stressful journey. Obviously I started with radical leftist ideologies eventually making my way over to the right and becoming an ardent supporter of capitalism. I have woke up since then and have condemned certain capitalistic practices; now I just consider myself an anti-war, welfare/social services supporting moderate.

Among other less important details are that I'm also a muslim despite being quite unorthodox in my views. I also enjoy creative writing, reading, studying history and culture, playing video games, and various other things I can't be bothered to list.

Pasta and cats are also wonderful, but not together obviously.

*tl;dr version* I'm actually a pretty dull ass boring person who can't make up her mind about shit.
All true except for that last part!

[Leroy Brown]

Howdy. I don't have a philosophy because it's too idealistic to have a philosophy. Every time I go to an Italian restaurant I order spaghetti and meatballs. I don't want to take a chance spending money on cat alfredo and not liking it, you know? Spaghetti and meatballs is the safest choice unless you're rich.

My doctor told me I was rich, or at least that's what I thought he meant when he looked up my butt and said "you've got piles!"

[durhamleft]

Hello everyone.

I used to be a Marxist. I'm centre-left economically- pretty much a Keynesian. Socially I am a libertarian really and imagine we share a lot of common ground in that area.

[KiwiSheep]

I am politically apathetic as such I don't subscribe to left or right, I say what I feel without ideology getting in the way. At times I have declared myself an Anarchist Communist, other times an Anarcho-Capitalist, once a Libertarian and once a democratic socialist. I have been through lots of positions on the 'left' and 'right'. Ultimately Atheism/Agnosticism and Human Rights are the only positions I have consistently supported.

[Richard Nixon]

Hello. While I've been a member for a while here, its been a long time since I've posted regularly and my politics have shifted somewhat. My views in the past were probably in retrospect something close to One Nation Toryism or Gaullism (albeit with an American twist) and I've shifted to a somewhat more socially and economically liberal position to adopt a conservative liberal position. In the main, my main shifts are that I'm a firm social libertarian on issues such as free speech, and drugs while becoming pro free trade (while supporting UHC and other basic components of a welfare state). In practical terms, I've gone from being supporting the Republicans to reluctantly supporting Obama this year due partially to seeing the necessity for some sort of expansion and reform of health care and the general disastrous candidacy of Mitt Romney.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Yo i'm a poster who got kicked for talking about an actual military instead of a hypothetical people's militia and for mixing up this sites ever shifting definition of gender and sex. I'm also starting to think revleft is a capitalist thought experiment meant that purposely mismanages itself in order to move realistic members away from lefty views.

[rotelf]

I used to call myself an anarchist, not anymore. i've been into leftism for quite some time but now i'm fed up with to many things. Guess i'm good for OI then ^^

ps : i used to have an account here but lost interest. I actually registered again because Avanti, who i think was pretty interesting.

[IH8GUNS]

Hello all. I am a new registered user and was looking for the best spot to put my intro. I figured this would be the best for that. I have been raised in a conservative family. Dad loves George Bush, mom votes for whoever dad votes for. I am a gun owner (I know, my user name), hunt, fish, a d live my life as your typical conservative republican. Yet as I grow older (35), I look around and see that there is a major problem with the way this country has been conducting itself in regards to how it treats its people and those abroad. As my family is conservative, I could not see myself voting Bush in for another term and Romney? Well......no thanks. So I voted Obama. I think he had some great plans and ideas. Then all of this violence being perpetrated in our cities between all of these shootings and bombs. I begin to wonder if it isn the fault of the conservative right and the ideals I was raised around which are the reasons things are going the way they are. I don't know where I'm going with this. I just wanted to come here, check out the info and see if I like what I read. I am very interested in all political movements for by knowing as much about each, one can make the best decision as to what best suits that persons paradigm.

[Michelangelo]

I am a libertarian. I'm not here to try to convert others to libertarianism. Nor am I here to troll. I am here largely to lurk and keep up with contemporary thoughts of the left in order to ensure I know the context of what they're saying. I know libertarians are looked down upon but as far as I am concerned we are all fighting the same powers that be. We may as well have dialogue.

[#FF0000]

Sup dudes.

(Where are all the new users coming from though?)

[Occi]

Hi!

I'm a skeptic who loves to debate. I don't have a political ideology, because I consider ideology to be no different from religion, minus the supernatural.

I have come here looking to learn, make friends, and to challenge and be challenged. I'm a veteran of internet forums going back to the golden age of usenet. I've debated fundamentalist Christians, occultist, white nationalists, libertarians and psychics. Now I'm ready for the radical left. Are you ready for me?

With respect,
Occi

[ВАЛТЕР]

Hi!

I'm a skeptic who loves to debate. I don't have a political ideology, because I consider ideology to be no different from religion, minus the supernatural.

I have come here looking to learn, make friends, and to challenge and be challenged. I'm a veteran of internet forums going back to the golden age of usenet. I've debated fundamentalist Christians, occultist, white nationalists, libertarians and psychics. Now I'm ready for the radical left. Are you ready for me?

With respect,
Occi


Welcome to the board.:)

So you have no political ideologies? You are indifferent to politics?

[WelcomeToTheParty]

I'm a skeptic who loves to debate. I don't have a political ideology, because I consider ideology to be no different from religion, minus the supernatural.


Welcome!

I don't know if this is the right place to start a debate on this, but how can you possibly say you don't have a political ideology? Unless you choose the answer to any given political question completely arbitrarily there must be some kind of unifying logic and world view behind it.

[slum]

Welcome!

I don't know if this is the right place to start a debate on this, but how can you possibly say you don't have a political ideology? Unless you choose the answer to any given political question completely arbitrarily there must be some kind of unifying logic and world view behind it.

it's very easy to think you have no worldview when bourgeois cultural hegemony calls itself the objective default. conscious or not, we all have ideologies.

[Occi]

I just don't believe that philosophy is a credible strategy to solving problems. Political ideologies are philosophical, not scientific.

I'm indifferent to most political banter because it is biased, driven by activist agenda. I'm neither a politician nor an economist. Any opinions I have on those subjects are uninformed and inept. Politicians play along with the public because they have to for votes. The issues they advertise are only designed to influence your voting decisions.

Politics and economics are difficult systems to predict. Nobody really knows what they're doing. This is a scary thing to admit, and nobody would vote for a politician who just explained that, at best, anything we do is an educated guess. There is so much false certainty and unrealistic expectations that any rational, evidence based thinking is drowned in a sea of rhetoric.

[slum]

I just don't believe that philosophy is a credible strategy to solving problems. Political ideologies are philosophical, not scientific.

i agree. that's the reason i like marxism so much, because it has a base that while i wouldn't call it straight out scientific like some do, provides a clear and rigorous analysis of the historical development of economics (and thus politics)



I'm indifferent to most political banter because it is biased, driven by activist agenda. I'm neither a politician nor an economist. Any opinions I have on those subjects are uninformed and inept. Politicians play along with the public because they have to for votes. The issues they advertise are only designed to influence your voting decisions.

i think we're all better off discussing politics divorced from politicians. as you've noted, they're all motivated by their own self interest and the preservation of their office (which necessitates preservation of the status quo). the performance art of modern parliamentary politics is a spectacle, a circus. it has little to do with real analysis of political realities, which correspond to class conflict.

the workings of the economic system are intentionally mystified; you don't need to be an "economist" to gain a solid understanding of how capitalism works. don't downplay your own opinions so much, since you're obviously not wedded to them out of pride.

most people on this site aren't going to tell you to vote for one person or another, or that politicians are there to analyze economics and act in the best interest of people as a group.

you seem cool, hope you stick around.

[WelcomeToTheParty]

I just don't believe that philosophy is a credible strategy to solving problems. Political ideologies are philosophical, not scientific.

That right there is a philosophical statement. You believe decisions should be made in a scientific way and that's a belief that I'm sure pretty much everyone on this board also has.

Then there's the question of what scientific means. What are the things that exist to study (ontology). What is knowledge and how to we come to possess it (epistemology)? You believe a certain answer to those questions whether you are willing to acknowledge it or not and thus you have a philosophy.

Of course even within "science" there are disagreements about the relative importance of things, what forces are acting on who, what outcomes those forces will cause etc.. Those with similar answers to those questions will draw similar conclusions when analyzing the same situation. They have the same "ideology".

Ideology as a word has come to only be associated with views that are considered extreme and yet that completely ignores that even supposedly moderate views are ideological. The only difference is that those "moderate" views are the norm.


Politics and economics are difficult systems to predict. Nobody really knows what they're doing.

I don't think you're right here either. It's fashionable to make grand anti-intellectual statements like that these days, but they're pretty divorced from reality. Economics is a fairly advanced social science at this point and while the dominant neo-liberal theories have failed spectacularly Keynsian (or Neo-Keynsian) analysis has proved strong. While large systems like society can never be predicted perfectly models are still incredible useful. Physical sciences use models just the same, the only difference is that they are better able to experiment directly.

[Atilla]

Hi. I am a voluntaryist.

I do not care if you form communes, exchange with independent money, barter, or live by yourself entirely. As long as everything is voluntarily done, and no initiations of aggression take place.

[G4b3n]

I am a libertarian socialist but do not limit myself to one ideology. I support whatever I feel is most beneficial to working people, which in most cases reflects libertarian socialism.

[Reactionary]

Hello everyone, I am a Conservative Libertarian and look forward to some good debates here.

[Comrade Samuel]

Hello everyone, I am a Conservative Libertarian and look forward to some good debates here.

Don't expect people to be very polite about our differences, if you want to maintain your sense of self-esteem I suggest leaving now.

On the other hand maybe you can learn from us and we can all grow a little here...welcome aboard...I guess.

[Reactionary]

Don't expect people to be very polite about our differences, if you want to maintain your sense of self-esteem I suggest leaving now.

On the other hand maybe you can learn from us and we can all grow a little here...welcome aboard...I guess.

My political beliefs have the tendency to offend people all across the spectrum.

[Consistent.Surprise]

Will you explain what your views are exactly? Abortion? LGBT issues? Feminism? Gun rights? Government? Police/justice system? What movement do you identify most with?

[Reactionary]

Will you explain what your views are exactly?

Sure.


Abortion?

Against it except for the case of mother's life/health


LGBT issues?

The government shouldn't be involved in marriage, so if two men or women want to say their married I won't stand in their way.


Feminism?

I support equal rights for women, but I don't believe gender is a social construct or some of the more radical things I've seen online.


Gun rights?

I support the right to bear arms, own a shotgun myself (mostly for target shooting, clay pigeons).


Government?

A sort of government where people Democratically elect leaders but sets up checks and balances to ensure minority rights.


Police/justice system?

Needs to be fixed. Not exactly sure how I would go about doing it, though. The Justice system in my country (US) is clearly biased against minorities. I'd end the War on Drugs, mandatory minimum sentencing.


What movement do you identify most with?

The Liberty Movement, a broad coalition of Libertarians, Paleoconservatives, Constitutional Conservatives, and others.

[argeiphontes]

I don't believe gender is a social construct or some of the more radical things I've seen online.


Neither do I. I think it's partly a social construct. Stick around...



I support the right to bear arms, own a shotgun myself (mostly for target shooting, clay pigeons).


Guns can be a lot of fun. My favorite was a 10-guage semiautomatic shotgun my dad used to have. Unlike him, I'm not a good shot though :(

You might want to look into Libertarian Socialism. It sounds like an oxymoron, but it isn't.

[Reactionary]

Guns can be a lot of fun. My favorite was a 10-guage semiautomatic shotgun my dad used to have. Unlike him, I'm not a good shot though :(

I'm a decent shot, sometimes I get lucky.


You might want to look into Libertarian Socialism. It sounds like an oxymoron, but it isn't.

I've considered it before. I believe in a Capitalist economic system, but I don't like corporatism. I don't go as far as some Right-Libertarians in completely deregulated Capitalism. Ultimately I think welfare and regulation are states' issue.

[revolutionarymir]

I, too, was once a follower of the Liberty Movement. Voted for RP in the GOP primaries, had the Mises and Rothbard books, the whole nine yards. However, being a free thinker, my mind soon began to wander, and I critically compared Marxist, Austrian, monetarist, and other schools of thought, reading not criticisms, but primary source documents from the theoreticians and philosophers of each school. At the end of the day, Marxism won out in my mind, if only because it is the most realistic system, and, yes, the most humane.

People are ultimately divided by class more than anything else, and it is inhumane to treat them all differently and deny opportunities to millions of people simply for lack of vast private hoards of currency. Not only is it inhumane, it is illogical; how many great doctors and scientists have lived and died never having been able to attain a proper education which would empower them to help society?

We are all born into this world equal, and we all confront the shade of death equally - the rich man leaves this world in the same fashion as the pauper. It's about time we start treating each other more like human beings in the present, while we are here and living, rather than making this unique and precious life a rat race for the parasitic capitalist class. When I die, I want to know that I have helped my fellow man and society, not that I was more successful than my neighbor in hoarding consumer trash made from the blood, sweat, and tears of foreign slaves and sweatshop workers.

[Reactionary]

I was busy the last few days.

@revolutionarymir

Capitalism is not a perfect system, but I believe it to be the best economic system that has been tried thus far. I will post a thread soon where I will explain my opposition to Socialism.

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

Hi, I'm a ex-Anarcho-Communist turned Libertarian/Conservative. I attribute the ideological changes as being part of the growing-up process, as well as a result of significantly increased testosterone levels.

I won't go in to much more depth as I don't want to be banned, but I disagree with you guys on almost everything.

[#FF0000]

as well as a result of significantly increased testosterone levels.

*thread darkens as all is consumed by the shade of a massive fedora drifting to blot out the sun*

[servusmoderni]

Hello,

I'm here because I said that Mass immigration is a tool for capitalists because it's easier to play with labor that way.

And for these whining liberals I'm some sort of spawn of Satan.

[#FF0000]

Hello,

I'm here because I said that Mass immigration is a tool for capitalists because it's easier to play with labor that way.

What should communists do in regard to immigrant communities? Should we organize with them? Or are they "scabs"?

[servusmoderni]

What should communists do in regard to immigrant communities? Should we organize with them? Or are they "scabs"?

No, I have an education. We should organize with them, but making them come in massive numbers is not going to resolve the problems they have in their own countries.

Immigrants are now the favorite labor of capitalists, they move them around. Just like imperialist powers did with slaves or colonies.

If you ask an immigrant, I'm pretty sure he would have stayed in his country he had no financial problems. It's not because they want to leave, it's because they are forced to leave. Due to money problems.

[Niccolo]

You should start a new thread about this in the OI section, servusmoderni. It's an important issue and you'll get more responders that way.

[#FF0000]

No, I have an education. We should organize with them, but making them come in massive numbers is not going to resolve the problems they have in their own countries.

Er, no one is proposing that we make anyone do anything. Of course we do oppose things like the Free Trade Agreements and myriad other neoliberal machinations that would lead people to emigrate -- but that's different from being against immigration itself.


Immigrants are now the favorite labor of capitalists, they move them around. Just like imperialist powers did with slaves or colonies.

In Europe, maybe. The neat thing about this entire debate is that we've seen this exact same issue before in the United States with its massive influx of immigrants, and we see supposed "socialists" making the same mistakes as sell-out shitheels like the Knights of Labor and the AFL made in the 19th/20th century.


If you ask an immigrant, I'm pretty sure he would have stayed in his country he had no financial problems. It's not because they want to leave, it's because they are forced to leave. Due to money problems.

Yeah that's true, but if you ask your typical disphit who wrings his hands about immigration, he doesn't give a shit about the well-being of immigrant workers -- he just wants them to get out. Meanwhile, though I doubt anyone who's leaving their whole world behind just to find work is happy with the idea, I'm sure they also aren't keen on the way immigrants are treated.

So, yeah, what do you expect to be able to work with immigrants on, exactly?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Are people seriously equating modern day migration with colonial settlers?

:laugh:

[argeiphontes]

It's good to be free.

[Drowned Phoenix]

Hello!
I'm new here.

I'm posting in the OI section because I opt to not self identify with any named political ideology.

I had a _fantastic_ [not really] first post that kind of disappeared. Are there some restrictions on posting new threads for new users?

[#FF0000]

The first few posts have to be green-lit by mods is all. It'll probably show up soon.

[Drowned Phoenix]

The first few posts have to be green-lit by mods is all. It'll probably show up soon.OK, thanks for clearing that up.
I might have massively double posted the one thread I was trying to create. :grin: I think I might have confused the mods to the point they where like "F* this, I'm not gonna read trough all these double-triple-whatever posts". :lol: sry mods!

[74joff]

Actually i think I may belong here. I despise capitalism however don't feel like a revolutionary anything certainly not a marxist not that marxism has monopoly on socialism.
However because capitalism has been pretty much high jacked the world over by Neo liberalism, Economic rationalism, Austerity, i usually end up being lumped with socialists since most of the mainstream discourse in my country of Australia most of the anglosphere do just that. This is because it is my natural inclination to criticise the present state of capitalism.
As for personal/identity politics this has no interest for me in regards to left wing thought. I think it is pretty disingenuous to highjack an essentially economic ideology with identity politics e.g. one has to be queer or humanist to be socialist etc..
So to one of the mods not just anyone considering everything I have commented on here. Do i belong here yes or no.

[#FF0000]

words

I don't really think that one needs to take a particular interest in issues of racism, sexism, etc. to be a socialist. However, to post here as a full member as opposed to a restricted member, one ought to be at least anti racist, anti sexist, etc. etc. etc. I also think that saying left-wing thought is essentially economic is an extremely limited and wrong-headed way to see things as oppression and stratification go beyond economics and economic class and social divisions based on race and gender can have deep links to each other in many cases, but that's another discussion.

[74joff]

However, to post here as a full member as opposed to a restricted member, one ought to be at least anti racist, anti sexist, etc. etc. etc.
I am not sure if i can give you that guarantee since those things are not absolutes only subjective and since i am big believer in the power and effects of relativism as symptom post modernism i don't believe there is any way you can say this is definitely a racist person or definitely not racist person etc.. that is all subjective, only the rule of law is absolute not our personal opinions on them.

So i guess in my case the glass will remain half full, in short i stay in opposing ideologies. btw what is your views on Distributism, Social Credits or Hamiltonian(he was american) economics do you consider them left wing?

Regards
:cool:

[#FF0000]

So i guess in my case the glass will remain half full, in short i stay in opposing ideologies. btw what is your views on Distributism, Social Credits or Hamiltonian(he was american) economics do you consider them left wing?

Regards
:cool:

I've known "Dsitributists" who were, for all intents and purposes, anarchists (mutualists) who just happened to be Catholic. I've also known Distributists who were far from the Dorothy Day tradition and who were out-and-out Fascists.

I still have some pretty tremendous disagreements with Distributism, beyond the social conservatism.

As for Hamiltonian Economics, are you talking about the National System? As for that, I don't really have an opinion other than it seems to make sense for a small, post-colonial capitalist economy.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Are people seriously equating modern day migration with colonial settlers?

:laugh:

Ever been here for a debate on the existence of Israel?

[74joff]

I've known "Dsitributists" who were, for all intents and purposes, anarchists (mutualists) who just happened to be Catholic. I've also known Distributists who were far from the Dorothy Day tradition and who were out-and-out Fascists.

I still have some pretty tremendous disagreements with Distributism, beyond the social conservatism.

Yes I am type of Distributist a believe in Social Credits to be exact. I also respect many anarchist concepts like Proudhons.
I am also socially conservative & type of christian i guess you find that disagreeable it looks like it.

So to cut to the mustard i guess i can stay in this section yes?

I believe the time will come when centralised systems collapse into anarchy at that time decentralised concepts such Distributism will be become viable ideals but not until this collapse occurs as at present the world is too centralised the e.g. Globalisation and its accompanying police state, believe me its the same in every western nation not just US. Perhaps a collapse of US dollar as global currency or such similar crisis in capitalism causes the scenario.
I believe whatever it is it will happen soon & this is where the ideas will come into their own once the dust settles,presuming humanity survives the scenario.





btw: Hamiltonion economics: Based on Alexander Hamiltons US founding father ideals the Larouche movement whom i have had some experience with personally are based on them. I agree with many especially the one about having National Bank as opposed privately owned fed reserve same situation exists with reserve bank in Australia, although prefer social credits.

[#FF0000]

Yes I am type of Distributist a believe in Social Credits to be exact. I also respect many anarchist concepts like Proudhons.
I am also socially conservative & type of christian i guess you find that disagreeable it looks like it.

So to cut to the mustard i guess i can stay in this section yes?

Yeah I guess so. Usually when people come around here saying they're "socially conservative" I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mean "I'm straight edge but not young enough/too young to know what that is".

Then they go and disappoint me and say gay people are bad or something. v:mellow:v

[coldcherry]

Hi. I am a liberal Democrat from America. For the last few months I have been lurking this forum just to satisfy some sense of curiosity really.

[Loony Le Fist]

Hi. I am a liberal Democrat from America. For the last few months I have been lurking this forum just to satisfy some sense of curiosity really.

Welcome to the forums. I hope my responses to you haven't been too abrasive so far. :laugh:

[Tsarist]

Well, hello there everyone.

I joined here to discuss some political questions with various communists from different political ideologies.

You could say I'm a nationalist, so I wanted to ask, already in my introduction, do I fit the description of those who are "tolerated" in opposing views, or I'm considered "Fascist" by the boards here?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

There isn't really a policy per se. It's like porn: You know it when you see it. One day you'll be unable to log on and you won't see it coming. Like how they execute people in Russia.

[∞]

cooperative market socialism to me is more in tune with socialist theory then top down centrally planned economics

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

delete

[Carlos-Marcos]

Hi, it's Carlos - I've just been restricted, guess I'm now a running dog, acolyte of the bourgeosie, yup, that's me!

Any questions, go ahead:)

[Atsumari]

Do you post in the comments section of VICE?

[Carlos-Marcos]

nope, because I've never even heard of it, what is it then?

[Atsumari]

Oh my, you keep on delivering.

[Carlos-Marcos]

anyways, how comes you're not restricted - being a nationalist seems to have got me into this dungeon;)

[Asero]

Any questions, go ahead:)

Why do so many people who've just signed up have higher post-counts than I do?


anyways, how comes you're not restricted - being a nationalist seems to have got me into this dungeon;)
Depends on what kind of nationalist, usually. If your nationalism promotes imperialism or chauvinism expect to be restricted, or worse. Anyways, this is Revleft, where the BA acts on whim and bans are dependent on how much you piss them off.

I personally, and other people too, think that Atsumari's nationalism is stupid. He's still a swell guy, though.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I never even see atsumari display nationalism in his posts, aside from when hes getting called out for having it written under his username there. I sometimes think hes just being provocative. Oh atsumari

[G4b3n]

Because Asain countries have been and are victims of imperialist aggression. So ceetain types of Asain nationalism can be considered progressive in certain schools of Marxism.

[Carlos-Marcos]

that's a bit daft isn't it, because nationalism is still nationalism, rather like racism towards a white person is still racism. -anyway which Asian countries are you on about?

[Asero]

that's a bit daft isn't it, because nationalism is still nationalism, rather like racism towards a white person is still racism. -anyway which Asian countries are you on about?

Nationalism is not just nationalism. Nationalism, to the radical leftist, should not be supported on principle in all cases. The point is to observe nationalism within the context of class discourse and in regards the development towards socialism and the revolutionary socialist movement. Nationalism that exists to preserve and reinforce the bourgeois class structure should be opposed, while nationalism that exists to fight against capitalism and imperialism should be supported, to a certain extent. Communist nationalism is still subservient, or at least should be, to the international revolutionary working-class movement in the fight against global capital.

Of course, there is a tendency to dismiss nationalism in its entirety, something common mostly among Left-communists and anarchists, of which makes up the majority posters in Revleft.

[Atsumari]

I am a pan-Asian nationalist. I am not gung ho for the idea as much as I when I was a Maoist and I get annoyed when people keep on going on and on about me being a Pan-Asianist when it makes up 1 percent of my politics. There are many topics that are more worthwhile than some adolescent fantasy.
If I had to explain how I feel about Pan-Asianism now, I would say it is similar to how social democrats feel about communism. It would be nice, it's nice to dream, but should an actual movement arise that is in the spirit of the ideology, you may find yourself against it.

[Drotnar]

I have no idea at all. Best consider my four walls. My back yard. My wallet. Play some guitar, draw some pictures, read Finnegan's Wake. I am here to learn. Perhaps I was inspired by television. The Americans, made me fall in love with the late Soviet Union. I want to know more. I love working class music with attitude.

One point of faith that I believe very strongly. There is no free will, everything is completely set. Technology will make mankind weaker and stupider until everything collapses. In its place I suspect more Islamic Caliphate than Communism, these people are positioned, simple and determined.

Or Mankind will become technology, consciousness in an infinitely expanding indestructible hard drive, every individual creating each his own utopia out of light and electricity.

[Drotnar]

I have no idea at all. Best consider my four walls. My back yard. My wallet. Play some guitar, draw some pictures, read Finnegan's Wake. I am here to learn. Perhaps I was inspired by television. The Americans, made me fall in love with the late Soviet Union. I want to know more. I love working class music with attitude.

One point of faith that I believe very strongly. There is no free will, everything is completely set. Technology will make mankind weaker and stupider until everything collapses. In its place I suspect more Islamic Caliphate than Communism, these people are positioned, simple and determined. What does the left have over the Muslims? Would the religion of peace really tolerate godless infidels?

Or Mankind will become technology, consciousness in an infinitely expanding indestructible hard drive, every individual creating each his own utopia out of light and electricity.

[NotABronie]

This is arsemuncher1197 from iFunny. I am not a fascist but about a year ago I may have started some shit in response to Rafiq's post on the Misean calculation problem, for which I intended to be more upfront about (by all means restrict me). I am frankly eager to hear his response to my various criticisms of the political social and economic aspects of Marxist-Leninism (I suppose--correct my labeling if you so please). I decided to join rev left today because I am frankly growing impatient, and am looking for some reading material for the time being(I was reading the stuff on Al-Tahir, but he has since made it private). As this implies, I really am not super up for starting shit (if you want to content my previous assertions, all of my essays (along with those of others) are republished on the iFunny account "EconomicsEssays"-- please respond there or kik me (will post in bio after)-- they are the ones with blue background and black text). For all intents and purposes intellectual leftism is dead on iFunny, and I have come here in search of a challenge.