Own versions of communism?

[safeduck]

Do you thinks it's OK to make your own versions of communism/socialism? I mean that in the sense that you follow the ideals of Marx but make some of your own ideals? Or do you think that Marx and others should be followed word for word?

Thanks.

[Tim Cornelis]

Not following Marx word for word is blasphemy and is punishable by death in Marxism ;)

Every Marxist adds his own flavour, which is inevitable of course.

[Smyg]

Oh for god's sake. Don't turn Marxism into a religion, no one wants that.

[Comrade Samuel]

Places like the Soviet Union, China and North Korea did their own take on it but look what happens when you do that. There are plenty of people who would say that it's ok but for me: no I believe to make it work you follow Marx to the letter.

[Tablo]

Just believe what you want. I'm influenced by both Marxism and Anarchism. I don't bother with ideological purity.

[ZeroNowhere]

It's alright if you're right, it's wrong if you're wrong.

[Zav]

Oh for god's sake. Don't turn Marxism into a religion, no one wants that.
Too late.

[Искра]

I'm influenced by both Juche and Maoism. Therfore I'm Left Communists (cause when I face Greece China and North Korea are on my left). This ideological purity is really "lame thing" and we should all be "individuals"...

Have you ever asked yourself what's point of some ideology? You know, people who mix drinks - puke.

[Azraella]

Do you thinks it's OK to make your own versions of communism/socialism? I mean that in the sense that you follow the ideals of Marx but make some of your own ideals? Or do you think that Marx and others should be followed word for word?

Thanks.


No one is an ideological purist. If I was to describe my attitudes... I am a negative act utilitarian, religious humanist, and anrcho-communist with Marxist influences.

Examine that sentence, and examine your own attitudes. Are they really ideologically pure?

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

"o dear lord marx....."
everyone does, just like everyone thinks murder is justifiable, when when the state wants to kill someone for murder, its completely wrong:lol:

[Tim Finnegan]

Given that Marx changed his views on various subjects over time, I don't think that would actually be possible to follow him "word for word". At some point you're going to have to choose between Marx c.1848 and Marx C.1880, or Marx c.1864 and Marx c.1866, or Marx c. June 1872 and Marx c. August 1872. Critical readings aren't just recommended, they are necessary.

[ZeroNowhere]

Oh for god's sake. Don't turn Marxism into a religion, no one wants that.Um (http://www.revleft.com/vb/album.php?albumid=1030&pictureid=8694).


No one is an ideological purist.
Speak for yourself.

[Q]

I'm influenced by both Juche and Maoism. Therfore I'm Left Communists
Does not compute.

Ontopic: Marxism is a methodology, not a religion. Said differently, it is the science of human self-liberation.

[Le Rouge]

Places like the Soviet Union, China and North Korea did their own take on it but look what happens when you do that. There are plenty of people who would say that it's ok but for me: no I believe to make it work you follow Marx to the letter.

You kidding right? This is one of the many reasons why people disdain the left.

[Искра]

Does not compute.
I was making a joke - read whole post... ;) Fact that I have NK girl on avatar just means that I'm a pervert, not a juche apologist.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Marxism is a set of tools for understanding society, especially capitalist society, but the historical materialist method can be used to help to understand pre-capitalist societies. The Marxist method can be used to understand historical change, economics, politics, and culture.Above all though Marxism is an explication of the "laws of motion", the internal development of capitalism itself.Marxism provides tools to guide exploration. Its not meant to be a "doctrine", or a dogma. Obeying Marx to the letter is absurd, as Marx himself would have been the first to point out. For one, Marx's solution to the value-price transformation was wrong, and this has created zillions of problems for academic Marxists in the 70s.

Interestingly though, according to Loren Goldner, it seems Amadeo Bordiga literally thought that "everything Marx said was right"!

[thefinalmarch]

when the state wants to kill someone for murder, its completely wrong:lol:
Hypothetically speaking, if the revolutionary working class, organised as the ruling class and in command of a state of sorts, were to execute someone, it might be regrettable but it would probably be necessary for the advancement of the material interests of our class.

The bourgeois state, however, has never executed anyone in the interests of our class. The bourgeoisie do this to further their own interests and to keep themselves in power.

We have no eternal principles other than the material interests of the working class. We can't be unilaterally opposed to a death penalty, or violence, etc.

"They [Communists] have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole."

[Rafiq]

You can but we won't take it seriously.

[Rafiq]

Places like the Soviet Union, China and North Korea did their own take on it but look what happens when you do that. There are plenty of people who would say that it's ok but for me: no I believe to make it work you follow Marx to the letter.

Cool idealism brah

[Искра]

Interestingly though, according to Loren Goldner, it seems Amadeo Bordiga literally thought that "everything Marx said was right"!So? I think that everything Amadeo Bordiga said is right. Literally.

[Rooster]

I always just considered marxism to be an analytical method rather than a detailed program of what to do.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm influenced by both Juche and Maoism. Therfore I'm Left Communists (cause when I face Greece China and North Korea are on my left). This ideological purity is really "lame thing" and we should all be "individuals"...

Have you ever asked yourself what's point of some ideology? You know, people who mix drinks - puke.
Pshh I mix drinks ideological and not all the time. I guess that's why I can't remember what tendency I am most of the time.

[Искра]

I always just considered marxism to be an analytical method rather than a detailed program of what to do.
Left-liberal. :rolleyes:

[Weezer]

Do you thinks it's OK to make your own versions of communism/socialism? I mean that in the sense that you follow the ideals of Marx but make some of your own ideals? Or do you think that Marx and others should be followed word for word?

Thanks.

You'll get over it. We all do.

[Rooster]

Left-liberal. :rolleyes:

I'm from the UK. Calling me that is basically calling me a right wing conservative. Thanks.

[Искра]

I'm from the UK. Calling me that is basically calling me a right wing conservative. Thanks.
Here that would be like calling you SWP/ISO supporter :D Which is actually worst than calling you a right wing conservative ;)

[ZeroNowhere]

I was making a joke - read whole post... ;) Fact that I have NK girl on avatar just means that I'm a pervert, not a juche apologist.
Well, he has a right to make his own version of your post.


Here that would be like calling you SWP/ISO supporter :D Which is actually worst than calling you a right wing conservative ;)
In the UK, it would still be like calling him an SWP supporter.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I'm influenced by both Juche and Maoism.

Amadeo Bordiga
Mao was the last of the romantic bourgeois revolutionaries.

Kontrrazvedka
So? I think that everything Amadeo Bordiga said is right. Literally.

Dialectical contradictions!

[Red Noob]

No, there's nothing wrong at all with forming your own opinions and ideas. Things change over time, society changes, and technology changes.

[Thirsty Crow]

Dialectical contradictions!
If reality is contradictory, then reflecting it accurately necessitates that revolutionaries be contradictory themselves (in their statements, in everything in fact)!

[Искра]

Dialectical contradictions!
You should wear glasses, cause I was making a joke about people who believe that they should be "individuals" and have right to pick everything from everyone and create their "ideologies" which are somehow "better" then the experience of revolutionary movement ;)

Still, Bordiga part is true ;)

[mrmikhail]

You should wear glasses, cause I was making a joke about people who believe that they should be "individuals" and have right to pick everything from everyone and create their "ideologies" which are somehow "better" then the experience of revolutionary movement ;)

Still, Bordiga part is true ;)

Hey all you have to do is come up with your own ideals, then put you name in front of -ism and you're good to go! See I believe in Mikhailism! :rolleyes:

but anyway, no....mixing ideologies is rather anti-Marxist and is a joke imo....

[The Young Pioneer]

Just believe in whatever, but take it with a grain of fallibilism. ;)

[mrmikhail]

Just believe in whatever, but take it with a grain of fallibilism. ;)

Well put ;)

[o well this is ok I guess]

You know, people who mix drinks - puke. I haven't heard this in years
I didn't know people still gave a fuck about mixing drinks