Tragic racist woman on tram in London.

[The Insurrection]

Dunno if it's been posted elsewhere on RevLeft, but I thought I'd post this video, which has gone viral and is causing a stir in the UK. It's tragic on many levels.

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[Smyg]

Urge to kill... rising...

[khlib]

wtf, with her son there and everything... What a shame!

[Invader Zim]

Urge to emmigrate so I don't have to share her "British country".

Disgraceful.

[Triple A]

I like when the guy in the back gets up all gangsta and then his friends give him consolation.
I laughed.

[Vanguard1917]

The woman was likely drunk and, as people who know her have reported, was in the midst of some sort of a breakdown. Good on those on the bus who intervened and told her to stfu. But we should object to it being a matter for the police, which is what it has become.

[Grigori]

I like when the guy in the back gets up all gangsta and then his friends give him consolation.
I laughed.

Whats that supposed to mean? An African man being called a niger isn't allowed to show anger? Hypocrites.

[The Insurrection]

Whats that supposed to mean? An African man being called a niger isn't allowed to show anger? Hypocrites.

I don't think that's what he meant.

[The Insurrection]

The woman was likely drunk and, as people who know her have reported, was in the midst of some sort of a breakdown. Good on those on the bus who intervened and told her to stfu. But we should object to it being a matter for the police, which is what it has become.

Yes, it's objectionable that there is no other system in place to deal progressively with someone this racist and whom displays such aggressive, racist anti-social behaviour.

But I kind of feel that it's very easy to just blame drink, drugs or mental health as mitigating factors. Whether one or all of those things are a contributing factor to her behaviour it does not suddenly absolve her. She clearly believed the things she was saying. She wasn't hallucinating or having a psychotic episode and alcohol and drugs don't create racist thoughts, they give confidence to air them publicly on a tram. When all is said and done she was pretty lucid if not terribly inarticulate, but when are white nationalists ever.

[Manic Impressive]

I like when the guy in the back gets up all gangsta and then his friends give him consolation.
I laughed.
It's interesting that when you see a black man react to a racist comment the first thing that popped into your head was Gangsta.

anyway on the woman don't blame the individual blame the causes

[Rusty Shackleford]

It's interesting that when you see a black man react to a racist comment the first thing that popped into your head was Gangsta.


i was going to point the same thing out.

[Nox]

What an idiot haha before she says "go back to Nicaragua" (which isn't even in Africa), she was about to say "go back to Siberia" :laugh:

[00000000000]

It's so hard to be tolerant of another's point of view when that point of view stirs muderous rage in you...ironically, and sadly, I sometimes feel the best place for the overtly racist and bigoted is a con camp of some sort* (would never genuinely endorse that, just the level of anger these fuckers bring out in me).


*Problem is, if that ever came to pass, my own mum might be carted off too :crying:

[Jimmie Higgins]

Yes, it's objectionable that there is no other system in place to deal progressively with someone this racist and whom displays such aggressive, racist anti-social behaviour.I'm just surprised that it took so long for other people to try and tell her to shut up - And then when they did it was initially about her bad language (In the US she would probably got away with the sentiment but the "fucks" in front of her kid would probably cause her to loose custody). That, shouting her down, would have been one alternative to going to the police (which I am inferring from the other posts, maybe the police got involved without anyone calling them in). It would have demonstrated how isolated these attitudes were and it would have changed the nature of this youtube from "look how racist this person is" to "laugh your ass off as this bigot gets told off". And it would have given other racists second thoughts about how receptive people might be to their ideas.


But I kind of feel that it's very easy to just blame drink, drugs or mental health as mitigating factors. Whether one or all of those things are a contributing factor to her behaviour it does not suddenly absolve her. She clearly believed the things she was saying. She wasn't hallucinating or having a psychotic episode and alcohol and drugs don't create racist thoughts, they give confidence to air them publicly on a tram. When all is said and done she was pretty lucid if not terribly inarticulate, but when are white nationalists ever.This! There's always some explanation for racist tirades or behavior - after the person get's slapped or fired for it. Poor Don Imus, cries the media, after 30 years of making bigoted jokes and getting paid for it, the time he got in trouble, he didn't know what he was saying! If she was a politician she'd go on TV and say, "I am deeply sorry if you were offended by the things that I said or my attempts to have you all deported - may I suggest moving to another country where your presence won't cause people to lash out at you like that".

[tir1944]

What's interesting is that some guy here advocated violence against her (a drugged-out woman with a child!) and no one reacted.
Reading that made me sick.

[The Insurrection]

What's interesting is that some guy here advocated violence against her (a drugged-out woman with a child!) and no one reacted.
Reading that made me sick.

So she was on drugs then? That was my initial thought. Wanting to use violence against her is probably a legitimate reaction to someone with such reprehensible views. Whether actually doing it is a legitimate response is another thing. I do think that if her child hadn't been with there, the situation would have ended very differently for her.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Yes the police should be involved, but not for her being a bigot. The police should be involved for her public drunkenness and most of all, carting her kid around while she was drunk.

[The Insurrection]

She doesn't look like she's drunk to me, she looks and sounds like she's on drugs.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd be lying if I said I was terribly upset by that video. It's just the rantings of an ignorant/intoxicated individual.

[Nox]

Why are people here assuming she was drunk/on drugs...

From what I can see, she just seems like your average bigot

[Triple A]

It's interesting that when you see a black man react to a racist comment the first thing that popped into your head was Gangsta.

anyway on the woman don't blame the individual blame the causes

I actually laughed.:(

[Os Cangaceiros]

Why are people here assuming she was drunk/on drugs...

From what I can see, she just seems like your average bigot

Because most non-intoxicated bigots don't go on lengthy tirades on a train for seemingly no reason?

[Manic Impressive]

I actually laughed.:(
I'm not saying you didn't laugh. I'm not sure what you laughing has anything to do with. All I'm saying is maybe you should ask yourself why you chose to use gangsta as an adjective when describing a black man's reaction. Have a think about it.

[israeli-hellscape]

yeah fuck this woman i can't even believe she is real. when i see her stupid face a little voice inside of me goes OH MY GOD BRITAIN PLEASE ADOPT EUGENICS AND WIPE PEOPLE LIKE THIS OFF THE EARTH

[Die Rote Fahne]

Why are people here assuming she was drunk/on drugs...

From what I can see, she just seems like your average bigot

Slurring her words for one

[Stork]

This video is just a less light-hearted version of the "muslamic rayguns" video. I don't get why it's getting so much attention though, nothing happens and certain people have always shouted racial slurs and bigoted opinions in public and passing it onto their children, she just combines the two.

[Manic Impressive]

yeah fuck this woman i can't even believe she is real. when i see her stupid face a little voice inside of me goes OH MY GOD BRITAIN PLEASE ADOPT EUGENICS AND WIPE PEOPLE LIKE THIS OFF THE EARTH
you should do everything in your power to remove that little voice

[israeli-hellscape]

chill out i was joking!!

[Manic Impressive]

chill out i was joking!!
not a very appropriate joke, which could easily land you an infraction. Just trying to warn you bud.

[Arlekino]

Prison protest calls for release of 'tram rant woman' Emma West
Just under 20 people held a quiet protest outside HMP Bronzefield calling for the release of Emma West, held there on remand after her racist tram outburst was posted on YouTube. Ashford, Middlesex, UK. 2nd December 2011http://www.demotix.com/news/951463/prison-protest-calls-release-tram-rant-woman-emma-west
uh right wing starting protesting. Bash them:D

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Obviously disgusting, but I've heard worse.

I lost a job once after getting into a fight with a coworker who went on an anti-Mexican tirade out of nowhere after one of the boxes we were unloading from a truck broke (he said something like "fuck, this garbage must have been made by god-damned Mexicans making 50 cents an hour," which combined with the terrible job sent me into a rage).

Across this country I've heard anti-Black rants, anti-White rants, anti-immigrant rants, anti-Muslim rants on a very regular basis. Many were very casually interjected into conversation, which makes them even more disturbing in my opinion. It's not uncommon at all, in any way.

A few months ago I took a train through Pennsylvania and overheard three conversations. The first was about "how much Amish people stink." The next was "how loud Vietnamese people are." The third was about "how Philadelphia and its suburbs have been ruined by blacks who have no respect for the area."

A few years ago a black woman on the 4 train in New York was ranting about "fucking Africans," sounding as bad as this video or worse. Apparently she got into an argument with a dark-skinned guy with an accent on the train and it turned into a 30 minute screaming fest against "Africans and Indians ruining America," with all sorts of bystanders getting involved. It came very close to getting physical.

In Asia I've heard anti-Black, anti-Chinese, and anti-Japanese rants. In Japan I've heard anti-Korean, anti-Chinese rants.

In the Dominican Republic I've heard anti-Hatian rants. In Puerto Rico I've heard anti-Dominican rants. In Central America I've heard rants against every country in Central America.

I don't think this is really a rare or shocking event. This kind of shit happens all the time. Then again I swim with the scum bags, working hard, dirty, disgusting and low paid jobs; hanging around with the lowest of the low, factory workers, sewer cleaners, unemployed bums, social misfits, felons, hillbillies, people from the worst ghettos and ghost towns, drunken high school drop outs; traveling the cheapest way, discount buses, trains, etc.

My guess is that this video is becoming a big deal because of the internet, which exposes it to a lot of people who have never heard this kind of thing for whatever reason.

[dodger]

I JUST LOVE MY COUNTRY.......
N H Alien.....yes..let's all get real. Much, as passengers, we like nothing better than to be in our own little cocoon in a train carriage. In 58 yrs of tube travel as worker and passenger a few, a very few, incidents filter through. If the events are incomprehensible to some...how lucky they are to lead such protected lives. Largely 'ignored' in the carriage, as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit, her outburst has cost her dear. She is now in prison, will be over Christmas and New Year. Separated from child and family. Future looks even bleaker. What a goddam mess. What a storm in a teacup. It would be cheaper to put her up at the Savoy.....though send her in a taxi for chri'sakes.

Here in Wifey's part of the world massacre and open bigotry against a person because he is Lumad, christian muslim or whatever. Yet there is also people just doing their best to live side by side. In some areas not easy. Requires real physical courage. Many have no choice but to make the best of things, their home and livelihood can only be abandoned in extremis. Fight , flight or just make the best and try to get on with your neighbours are choices thrust on to people. Inter marriage is not uncommon, my observation. I have Muslim relatives by marriage. Wifey still surprises me, I got to hear of her uncle beheaded by Muslims, yet in all the time I have known her she has never uttered a single word against Muslims, or slight, cross word, bad turn. Quite the opposite in fact, from what I observed in our daily life. Only last week she admonished the girls who lodge with us for keep calling a Muslim girl boarder 'MONGO' (retard). She said it just is not nice and the girls should know better. I only asked once about her uncle, she merely said he was a bastard to Christians and Muslims alike....her only words on the matter. LAND of course(livelihood) was at the heart of the matter. The years spent building bridges with Muslim neighbours by her father was destroyed by uncles greed. The father not a coward(anti-Jap Guerilla) decided to flee to a Christian area for the sake of the children. Hundreds of other did too.....as did Muslims from other areas(flee). Tragedy on a epic scale. NONE would wish those times to return.........except those devils who profit from others misfortune, mining , fruit companies politicians and religious zealots.

[brigadista]

she comes from New Addington - so no surprise

[Jimmie Higgins]

I'm suprised there's a place called New Addington. Is that near Brandnewville?

No offense to the Brits, in Los Angeles there's the "City of Industry" and "City of Commerce" and "El Segundo" which are all pretty silly names. Most other places in California are named after whatever crop used to be grown there and Spanish names are usually just literally describe what's near to the town. Then there's Vacaville which means "cow-town".

Anyway, I agree that the significant things about the video are not the racist attitudes themselves but that it was filmed and she had her kid on her lap during the rant. Otherwise she could just be a caller to US AM radio shows.

[brigadista]

I'm suprised there's a place called New Addington. Is that near Brandnewville?

No offense to the Brits, in Los Angeles there's the "City of Industry" and "City of Commerce" and "El Segundo" which are all pretty silly names. Most other places in California are named after whatever crop used to be grown there and Spanish names are usually just literally describe what's near to the town. Then there's Vacaville which means "cow-town".

Anyway, I agree that the significant things about the video are not the racist attitudes themselves but that it was filmed and she had her kid on her lap during the rant. Otherwise she could just be a caller to US AM radio shows.

its near Croydon and NF activity there historically plus now EDL

[Os Cangaceiros]

Obviously disgusting, but I've heard worse.

I think we've all heard worse, but usually for me it's been in the context of a conversation between me and someone, or it's something I've overheard two people or a group of people saying. This video is weird because it's just some woman ranting to no one in particular. Maybe something happened before the camera was turned on that would give the whole incident some context, though, I'm not sure.

[Jimmie Higgins]

The best subway rant - if you could call it a rant - I ever heard was from a guy who thought he was Tupac Shakur giving an interview about his life and the making of his albums. It was a crowded train and he was sitting alone in the part of the train where two benches face eachother. I sat down opposite while he pontificated to the invisible interviewer sitting in the empty seat next to me. I couldn't believe other commuters would rather stand than sit near this guy, he gave a good interview. When I got to work, I looked up some of the things he said later to see if he was right about the dates and some of the events in Tupac's life -- the verifiable stuff was on the money. They guy was so smooth and calm about it and so coherent that I think it was either a ploy to get two benches to himself or he was a method actor from a play about Tupac.

[ColonelCossack]

Da fok?

[bricolage]

In Central America I've heard rants against every country in Central America.
Man I tell you I've hardly ever heard so bad as I did when I heard Costa Ricans talking about Nicaraguans.

[Magón]

I'm not saying you didn't laugh. I'm not sure what you laughing has anything to do with. All I'm saying is maybe you should ask yourself why you chose to use gangsta as an adjective when describing a black man's reaction. Have a think about it.

I think you have to cool down a bit yourself, before going all holier than thou PC on what adjectives are and aren't used. I would have said the guy got up all "gangsta" too, because that's what it looked like, not because he was black.

[Manic Impressive]

I think you have to cool down a bit yourself, before going all holier than thou PC on what adjectives are and aren't used. I would have said the guy got up all "gangsta" too, because that's what it looked like, not because he was black.
This site is amazing the only place in the world I can be accused of being too pc and not pc enough within two days. Nin, you may have had a point if I had been the only one to notice or object to it but I wasn't. You also chose to quote the second time I had to explain it to the user as he'd either ignored or completely missed the point I was making. If you notice I'm not saying he's a racist or accusing him of anything. I'm simply asking him to think about why he chose that word instead of any other. I can assure you that my response was said completely cooley and much more politely than many others would have addressed him.

[Buitraker]

Why are people here assuming she was drunk/on drugs...
Holy shit, see her jaw :laugh::laugh::laugh: