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Sinister Cultural Marxist
28th November 2011, 18:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15876968


Zimbabwe women accused of raping men 'for rituals'

By Steve Vickers BBC News, Harare http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56919000/jpg/_56919011_condom3.jpg The women are accused of collecting the semen in condoms
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Zimbabwean police believe there is a nationwide syndicate of women raping men, possibly to use their semen for use in rituals that claim to make people wealthy.
It has taken more than a year for any arrests to be made, and on Monday three women are to go on trial in the capital, Harare, over the allegations which have shocked the country.
One alleged victim, who wished to remain anonymous, gave an account on national television in July of his experience which happened after he was offered a lift by a group of three women in Harare.

The urge to have sex was still there”
Alleged male rape victim
"One of the women threw water in my face and they injected me with something that gave me a strong sexual desire," he said.
"They stopped the car and made me have sex with each of them several times, using condoms.
"When they had finished they left me in the bush totally naked.
"Some people gathering grass helped me by calling the police, who took me to hospital to deal with the effects of this drug that I had been given, as the urge to have sex was still there."
The women due in court have been charged on 17 counts of aggravated indecent assault - as Zimbabwean law does not recognise the act of a woman raping a man.
They were detained earlier this month in the central town of Gweru, 275km (170 miles) south-west of Harare, after officers found 31 used condoms in the car that they were travelling in.
Threatening crowds The women deny the charges, saying they are prostitutes and were too busy at the time to dispose of the condoms.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56921000/jpg/_56921158_streetscenewithmen.jpg Since the reports of male rapes, some men say they no longer hitch hike and prefer to use buses


After being released on bail last month, they were confronted and threatened by a crowd. They say they have been forced to remain at home since then, to avoid unwanted attention (http://dailynews.co.zw/index.php/news/34-news/5243-rape-suspects-attacked-in-gweru.html).
Police spokesperson Superintendent Andrew Phiri told the BBC that they believe that there is a syndicate operating nationwide.
"We have received reports from around the country from different towns and provinces, it's been happening on the highways," he said.
"We are yet to find out the real reason why this is happening. We have heard speculation that it's linked to rituals."
He appealed for witnesses to come forward.
"We need to hear from people who are prepared to tell," the superintendent said.
The semen is believed to be used in rituals to bring success in business, and there are suggestions that the semen is being taken outside the country for sale.
But cultural expert and sociology lecturer Claude Mararikei told the BBC that it was not clear how the semen would be used.
"It's in the area of rituals and magic, which border on secret societies," he said.
"Even researchers don't want to go into that area because you may not come out alive to publish whatever you find out."
'Wife left me' While the first accounts of men alleging that they had been raped by women were generally met with curiosity and disbelief, men who spoke to the BBC say that they are now taking the issue very seriously.


I think there has been a lot of under-reporting because the victims will feel not man enough to talk about such issues and that will hinder them from speaking out”
Nakai Nengomasha Counsellor
"When I travel I only use buses where people are travelling in numbers now, I won't get a lift in private cars, especially if there are women inside," said a man called Witness.
"You must exercise caution, women are raping men, it's happening."
Some women in Harare, like Sibongile, worry it is giving their gender a bad image.
"I wish that people could be encouraged to work for their money in a good way. It's evil that's gone into women's heads to cause them to be that greedy, that they want easy money," she told the BBC in the city centre.
The police have not given a figure for the number of cases reported.
Nakai Nengomasha, a counsellor who is working with three men who say that they are victims of female rapists, believes that there could be more case who have not come forward.
"I think there has been a lot of under-reporting because the victims will feel not man enough to talk about such issues and that will hinder them from speaking out," he said.
"They need to deal with denial which comes from a deeply rooted mistaken belief that men are immune to being victimised and that they should be able to fight back if they are truly a real man.
"Some have to deal with the issue of seeing the assault as a loss of manhood and feel disgusted with themselves."
That is how the man who spoke about his alleged ordeal on television feels, saying he even contemplated suicide.
"I feel violated and disappointed, because when I told my wife what happened, she left me, together with one of our three children. I'm hoping that she will come back."
Obviously rape of women, and probably rape of men by other men, are more pervasive problems than this. But it is an interesting case nonetheless because of the way it plays on expectations of male sexuality and shame, and also because Zimbabwean law cannot even recognize this act of sexual assault as "Rape".

It is also interesting because of the connection with traditions of ritual, magic and secret societies. It highlights, as much as anything else, how unusual these kinds of cases are. And the fact that drugs were used to cause an erection highlights the fact that arousal=/=consent.

Os Cangaceiros
28th November 2011, 19:19
And the fact that drugs were used to cause an erection highlights the fact that arousal=/=consent.

Do some idiots actually argue that an often involuntary reaction to physical stimulation = consent?

Smyg
28th November 2011, 19:22
Zimbabwe, of all places?

Sinister Cultural Marxist
29th November 2011, 00:32
Do some idiots actually argue that an often involuntary reaction to physical stimulation = consent?

I don't think this is something that people who know anything on human biology actually ARGUE as much as it is a common misconception, which in fact victims might even have had before they were victimized. It might be one reason why so many men never report rapes from other men-they think that their arousal would be confused with consent and are confused as to how they have a physiological reaction which they used to see as a willing act.

smyg-the reason it might be happening in Zimbabwe, at least the way argued by the article, is for magic and ritual. I'm not an anthropologist so I cannot speak on topic with any authority but some of Zimbabwe's neighboring countries which share a common Bantu heritage like Tanzania and Uganda have serious crimes motivated by the desire to obtain ritual totems. In Tanzania these totems are often flesh from a human albino and in Uganda, it is a sacrificed child. Here, it happens to be human semen. There is a lot of money in catering to the more superstitious members of the bourgeoisie.

tir1944
29th November 2011, 00:46
http://zimbabwereporter.com/thumbnail.php?file=condom_20women_635451508.jpg&size=article_medium

Danielle Ni Dhighe
29th November 2011, 01:05
Grigori, asking if the alleged rapists were "hot", making jokes, and posting an objectifying photo of a woman you think is "hot" is really inappropriate for a thread like this.

Rafiq
29th November 2011, 01:10
Cool sexism bro. B

Ocean Seal
29th November 2011, 04:23
Were the women hot? This article seems like a backstory to a bad porno
Dude shut the fuck up. Rape=/=sex.

thefinalmarch
29th November 2011, 05:59
Rape=/=sex.
huh? I thought the very definition of rape was that it's non-consensual sex of any sort?

RedAnarchist
29th November 2011, 11:07
:confused:
THIS IS A HEINOUS CRIME THAT MUST BE PUNISHED. TO THE GUILLOTINES!



8497

Now if she pulled something like this...

Consider yourself verbally warned for sexism.

RedAnarchist
29th November 2011, 11:09
huh? I thought the very definition of rape was that it's non-consensual sex of any sort?

Rape is more about a violent act of dominance over someone else (almost always a man attacking a woman) rather than sex itself.

jake williams
29th November 2011, 11:49
Rape is more about a violent act of dominance over someone else (almost always a man attacking a woman) rather than sex itself.
To be honest I kind of think that's a myth, a way of distancing "rape" (bad) from "sex" (good) to make sure we never have to deal with the complex questions of consent on a broad spectrum of sexual behaviour. I could go on, but not at this hour.

Nox
29th November 2011, 12:03
Were the women hot? This article seems like a backstory to a bad porno

Erm... I bet you wouldn't be saying the same thing if it was a man raping a woman...

Fucking sexist hypocrite.

Drowzy_Shooter
29th November 2011, 14:46
In the first post TC mentions that female rape is a more pervasive problem then this. Is he implying this isn't a problem or that female rape is worse than this? Or maybe that there are more cases of women being raped and that makes it a bigger problem?

I'm honestly confused, and am hoping somebody could enlighten me.

Smyg
29th November 2011, 15:32
I can't speak for the OP, but I'm guessing s/he means the later. I'd say there's many, many, many times more women being raped than men in Zimbabwe.

israeli-hellscape
30th November 2011, 08:36
this is awful, and there is such a huge tendency for people to make light of it, only because it defies the conventional notion of what a rapist is. i'm a hardline feminist/everyone-chill-out-and-not-subjugate-eachother-ist, but NO MATTER the genders of the rapist and victim, it is NEVER cool to make fun of. these men are victims. they are victims of rape. the rapists happen to be women. how does that lessen the severity of the situation?!

leemadison11
1st December 2011, 11:26
The final conclusion of this:
Who said that women can't rape men?

If the man is willing, rape is possible. Lol

RedAnarchist
1st December 2011, 12:42
The final conclusion of this:
Who said that women can't rape men?

Society generally doesn't believe that it can happen. It tends to go unreported most of the time, as does the most common form of rape, which is a male raping a female (the second most common is male raping a male, as almost all rapists are men).


If the man is willing, rape is possible. Lol

Can you explain this sentence, because it looks like you're laughing about rape.

00000000000
1st December 2011, 12:48
It's a shame to see some posters here making pathetic, giggling teen-boy jokes about sexual assault. With attitudes like that floating around, it's no wonder a lot of men who are attacked don't report it.

Meridian
1st December 2011, 14:08
huh? I thought the very definition of rape was that it's non-consensual sex of any sort?

Do you have a logic problem?

Non-consensual sex of any sort is not the same as sex.

thefinalmarch
1st December 2011, 15:16
Do you have a logic problem?

Non-consensual sex of any sort is not the same as sex.
So even if rape involves sexual intercourse (which is true for most conceivable instances of rape), it's not sex?

I think you're the one with the logic problem here, bud. You literally said that a certain kind of sex was not sex.

Unless of course you mean 'sex' to specifically refer to consensual acts, in which case you're just unnecessary mystifying the meaning of the term.

'Sex' is a neutral term, describing a whole range of acts which don't necessarily even have to involve penetration. Last time I checked, consent wasn't actually physically necessary for such acts to occur, so therefore non-consensual sex is sex, but to be more specific it's a certain kind of sex: rape. Anyone who says otherwise is needlessly muddying the waters.

thefinalmarch
1st December 2011, 15:18
Rape is more about a violent act of dominance over someone else (almost always a man attacking a woman) rather than sex itself.
So if someone were to, for example, take advantage of a drunk person whose ability to make informed decisions is obviously inhibited and have sex with them, you wouldn't consider that rape?

RedAnarchist
1st December 2011, 15:25
So if someone were to, for example, take advantage of a drunk person whose ability to make informed decisions is obviously inhibited and have sex with them, you wouldn't consider that rape?

Of course it is rape. I admit that my post tends to exclude much of what easily falls under rape, but generally rape is about dominating a person rather than sex - there are still many instances where rape is about the sex, about taking advantage of someone who cannot give consent.

NoOneIsIllegal
1st December 2011, 15:41
The sexism on here disturbs me.

Anyway, many years ago I researched the topic for school. About 5% of reported rape cases are women raping men, but honestly we all know that statistic is higher. We live in a society where machismo is espoused, and somehow the idea of a man being raped isnt possible because "all men are willing." :rolleyes: From fear of being ridiculed by others, men that go through this abuse often won't report it, or speak about it, or make it sound like it was willing. Men can be just as uncomfortable and abused as women, doesn't matter what you have in your pants.

Rape is more about a violent act of dominance over someone else (almost always a man attacking a woman) rather than sex itself.
This. Rape is about power. It's the most invasive way to scar someone.

thefinalmarch
1st December 2011, 16:01
rape is about dominating a person
Yes. This is better than your previous post in that in recognises that rape isn't necessarily violent nor does it necessarily require physical coercion.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
1st December 2011, 16:55
Of course it is rape. I admit that my post tends to exclude much of what easily falls under rape, but generally rape is about dominating a person rather than sex - there are still many instances where rape is about the sex, about taking advantage of someone who cannot give consent.



This. Rape is about power. It's the most invasive way to scar someone.

I've always heard the argument that rape as en expression of "power", but I don't know if it is so simple. I don't think its mutually exclusive, seeing as how dominance and power can in themselves be quite sexual. Consensual sex of course can also have dominance and power wrapped up in it. Likewise, rape is simultaneously about power and sex.