Survey: Who here would take action against Capitalism

[Kez]

I personally dont think the majority people here on this forum will take action if called upon by the left.
Too many people here are pacifists who will never take action and will probably become consevatives by the end of their lives

If you are prepared for physical action (if need be in viloence) to fight capitalism, globalisation, fascism and injustice around this world, please state so below.

Thanking you in anticipation
Comrade Kamo

[Nickademus]

read my post under the thread that cullinane started. i'm sick and tired of having to do this.

[pce]

violence in ridiculous.

if willingness to kill is how you measure how much people care, then mark me as a "fake" leftist

[Jurhael]

I'm no pacifist, but violence should only be used as a LAST resort.

[Anonymous]

im not a pacifist. And thats the reason i will take violent action AGAINST anyone who trys to take power by force and institute a dictatorship. I`ll take up arms.

You like stalin kamo? how would you like to live in china or north korea? open your eyes people, leninist theories such as one party states are not comunism they are social fashism. Work within the democratic institutions through activism and conciencialisation efforts. Rome wasnt built in one day comrade.

[Guest]

Action is all that can be done at this point in history . Currently , weapons and governments are so unbelievably powerful , that few can stand to even face them . Violence , war , death , they are all so sorrowful , and that is all that makes up of this world anymore . All of us live comfortable lives , a bi-product of being apart of capitalist society . Many of you feel that to educate the masses and allow them to see the truth is the proper path . And you may have been right at a earlier point in history . As of now , many are comfortable with their tv , their internet , and other beautiful commodities of society . I find myself watching TV sometimes and wonder what is the point , the answer is none . THose who have the ability to fight do not want to for they are much to comfortable and are already slaves to all that has no point . Many speak of how if things got worse many would call for change but that shall not come . The media's of our society have given us a sense of security and peace . It is our happiness and bliss . The time for action is now , before the generation completly brainwashed by television rises to power , for most children these days are raised exclusivly by the media . And before the military might of capitalist society is so great , their soldier have become unthinking killing machines . Humanity is slowly being took out of the picture of war giving rise to war as a mere game , won and lose by the flip of a switch at a masters command . I am willing to fight and die to strip this earth of its weapons and its capabilities to cause more sorrow so that if anyone wishes to fight they can fight like our kin in ths animal kingdom do , with there selves only . Or I shall fight to make a war so sorrowful that no one will ever wish to fight again , because currently in a world where humans see war and peace as games , that is the only way they will understand !!! The time is now , call me what you wish , think of me as merrily a war mongerer , but if humanity does nto come together in unity and peace . Then you will find one day , when you are old and grey , that the world has come together in unity under a doller sign and you will wonder what has happend to that word you cannot remeber . Freedom ...
Is humanity not able to grasp unity , peace , and true freedom in this life !?!?
Shadow Of A Bleeding Rose

[CheGuevara]

Hello,
I haven't been on the forum a lot lately because I have a shitload of fucking schoolwork. However, unlike these unrealistic dreamers on the forum, I am prepared to follow the example of Che and others.

[Jurhael]

Well, considering the way Batista was, I don't blame the Cuban revolutionaries for wanting to get a LITTLE bit mideval.

"When words and diplomacy fail, people tend to resort to force and violence to get their point across. Force and violence, unlike talks, meetings, treaties, and diplomacy, cannot be ignored."


"You can only kick a dog so many times before it will turn and attack."

Yup.

[SellasieI]

and that really does make so much sense . . .

[El Commandante]

If all other means had failed such as mediation then yes I would take up arms and fight. But that would only be as a last resort, I'm against violence for globalisation and profit but if it was for freedom then I would take up arms.

[Kez]

I thinnk guest just summed up my beliefs too.
I am not a fan of war, if it were up to me we wud all burn our weapons and provide energy for the poorest of the world.
But when i mean action i dont NECCASERILY mean get a kaleshnikov and go down your parliament and blow fukk outta the pm.
What i mean is we need to stand united and take action thru strikes thru protests, sit ins, leafleting etc
THere are some slaves of Capitalism right here who claim to give a fukk about society but they really wudnt do more than talk to change society.
Capitalism has muted us and we still try to speak,
We will never be heard until be fight, until we bring down their precious McDonalds sign, until be smash the IMF, until we smash arms trades, until we smash the Propaganda machines of the BBC, CNN and the rest. There are a few in this world who do care and are willing to change, they live their lives for change, and Comrades, we MUST do the same otherwise by the time our children grow, imagine what a hole they will suffer in.

A cry for Justice
Comrade Kamo

[Chief Rebel Angel]

i would take up arms if it was the right thing to do or if it was the last resort left...

[AgustoSandino]

Yup and guys like me, reaganlives, Spooky, MadMax, Fantomas, and billions of other free and freedom loving people the world over would lay the smack down. Why don't you just graduate high school first Kamo.

[gooddoctor]

stop alienating people tavareesh! your getting too caught up in the romance of the revolution. in some countries violent revolution is the last resort, but not in britain. the establishment is too powerful. you have to become the system before you can destroy it, and the only way to do that is by joining in the war of information. once we take our message of truth and justice to the masses revolution will follow. but you just push people away with your belligerence and make it harder for the rest of us. ask your neighbours if they know what the fuck you're talking about and you will see how impossible violent revolution really is.
if after the democratic revolution we have to defend our country, then so be it, i'll see you on the barricades, but until then i hope to see you letter writing to newspapers, working hard at school, uni or your job and for your party, and protesting peacefully on the streets because that is where the real fighting will be done. man, you think those activists destroying that macydees at last year's m1 was good publicity for us? the unwashed masses don't understand why we hate macdonalds, so when they see a bunch of protesters pulling one down and stealing the burgers they just think "fucking ruffians" - they don't want to know us. i'm sorry, that's not the way to reach the hearts and minds of the people.
activism isn't about violence. it's about making your voice heard, and people just turn the other way if you aproach them angrily. they want to hear about how bright the future's going to be, not about how we're going to destroy stuff. if it's a choice between a macdonalds and civil war i know what most people would chose.

(Edited by gooddoctor at 3:29 am on Nov. 5, 2001)

[CheGuevara]

Hmmmm, I don't live in Britain, but you can have physical action coupled with information distribution. Why not have have some people tear down the burger factory while others hand out information to bystanders? Also, a bullhorn or just someone with a loud voice might have a good effect too. Even better, don't just do this but also post flyers and hand out pamphlets about McDonalds beforehand as well. Then you can hopefully have a slight counter-effect against the far-reaching capitalist media machine, and comprehension of your actions won't be limited to just the immediate vicinity.

BTW, Agusto, what's with your name? Is it a joke or something?

[gooddoctor]

yeah, but don't forget, mass media isn't on our side yet. they will attempt to discredit everything we do, so we've got to be careful.

[Son of Scargill]

CG,I'm afraid I have to agree with most of what Gooddoctor is saying.The media is one of the most powerful weapons in their armoury.You would have to hand out millions of leaflets to counteract one carefully edited day of broadcasting.Although it's not beyond the realms of possibility,I don't believe we're organized enough in the UK to pull it off.If you could organize something on that scale then I'm sure there would be more productive ways to utilise that level of effort.As for taking up arms,every human being has a limit as to what they'll put up with.Most just don't have the opportunity.
TIOCHFAIDH AR LA.....

[RedCeltic]

Not all pasifists turn out conservitive... and not all the hippies of the 1960's ended up as yuppies of the 1980's... my uncle is still a pasifist and in fact was visiting here for my brother's wedding and frightened the shit out of my Scottish cousins who are visiting America right now... He is very passionatly against all war and against the US govenment.

As for myself, I am against war and violence. But I believe strongly in the right to organize and the right to strike. It is unfortunate when strikes end up in a violent way but I do understand that sometimes it is needed. However, it puts us in a bad way, as anything negitive that we do is amplified and used against us. Peaceful protests, sit ins, slow downs etc are often the best mesure.

[CheGuevara]

Yes, you're right, the mass media is a very effective tool. The one advantage that live/in-person propaganda has is that people watching a story on the news are more apathetic towards the incident than those watching it in person, or at least that's what I theorize.

[Prometeos]

Violence is never the better way. A change based on violent acts is never a ligitim change. Our true weapon has to be the justice of our ideas and our target the human mentality.

[koba]

first, not many are needed for a revolution. Look at Che and Fidel they started with 40 or so men then the movement grew and grew but never over 400 men were needed. What is needed is sympathisers. Today in this Capitalist world our medias only show the messages and lies of two and sometimes three major capitalist parties. We must use their media against them and also use alternate ways to educate the population about our cause, and reasons for our struggle, pamphlets, televised debates, Meetings, radio broadcasts,ect . So to go back to the point, only a few are needed to fight physically, but many are needed to sympathise. So may we be the front line to a socialist and open world, but we cannot head a major battle t'ill the majority of the population knows our cause. Wether the majority here are sympathisers or people that are ready to take up arms doesnt matter because both need to educate and let our message out FIRST and both are crucial to the revolution.

:) thx

[CheGuevara]

Well said, Koba. Of course, Cuba was/is a very small country, but still, they were facing very poor odds.

[vox]

Comrades,

You all seem to be forgetting the inherent contradictions of capitalist relations. Capitalism eats itself. The capitalist pie is not large enough to feed the whole world, but the socialist pie leaves crumbs at the feet of a sated humanity. Production based upon need leaves a wealth of resources, but capitalist production for profit is a vacuum that sucks the world dry and fills the pockets of the few.

The cracks are already in the foundation. Rule by terror did not work in Stalin's USSR, and it won't work worldwide. Capitalism's legs are weak. The beast kneels beneath its own weight.

Socialism will feast on its remains and sustain a better, fairer, humane world.

Anger may ignite our passion, but love for humanity unites our action.

vox

[peterson2k4]

I would gladly take up arms if I must. I would die for a socialist america if needed. but I would rather follow the spoken word of my comrades than lead my comrades with a bullet.

[The Grim]

I am not trying to say I am a dangerous threat to anyone. But I consider myself ready to take up the fight. I have spent the majority of my young life, training my mind and body for any battle that may arise over my beliefs. I have no other reason to live than to advance my ideas. I have no god to give me a set of ethics or morals. I created my own. Therefore, mine are stronger. I am the only one I can disappoint. I am not against violence in certain situations. Violence is an instinct, and instincts are hard to overcome. A minority, no matter what country they are in will have to fight for their ideals. There is no other way to take power. A battle of wits, will not win the populace. They will go with whatever they are born with. Monarchy lasted hundreds of years ... why? People were born into it. They accepted their fates, and continued as normal.

Violence is a necessary evil. I am prepared to fight.

[red head]

my thinking is that a well-informed majority always deserves to choose the fashion in which their government is run. if the people truely want a monarchy, then they should get a monarchy. when i say majority, i am speaking solely on the basis of class, and not race, religion, gender, etc. the thing about america, canada, england, and other industrialized nations is that the majority are not well informed. at this point, the majority want capitalism, so they should have capitalism. it is our job to convince them that there is something better, and when a majority agree, it will be time to take up arms. revolutions take hundreds of years. we are in the informative stages, not violent stages.

[SellasieI]

My views on socialism are not strong enough for me to answer this question. It seems like this is the way it needs to be, but I am still too ignorant to make a educated decision.

[gooddoctor]

we can help indoctrinate you comrade - oops...was that a bit too stalinist? cool avatar btw.

[Paul]

Why violence? go here
http://64.224.73.234/politicalcompass/analysis2.html

and see where Ghandi was, on the left-right scale. Then tell me that violence is necessary.

[Dreadnaht1]

Alot of people that have posted to this topic have many different varying ideas, each unique and respectabal. Peace is always apreciated when violence is not needed. But like several people have said here, the media and our technology is something that we are all hiding behind. The soft glow of a television set comforts us and the fact that we can simply bomb a country without sending in a single troop to a country seams very soothing.

If it were not for the media, the lies told by the government, and our technology I think it's safe to say that we would be about to uprise or would have done so already. But in the current circumstances it takes a great deal of intelligence to open your eyes and see what the U.S. is doing and has been doing--especially if you live here.

I enjoy peace, but I will always always revert to armed revolution when there is a need for such. What the citizens of the United States fail to realize is that this time is now.

I can assure you, if there is an uprising of any kind you can expect to see me at the front line.

[Anonymous]

quote from gooddocter Posted on 12:02 am on Nov. 8, 2001
we can help indoctrinate you comrade - oops...was that a bit too stalinist?

lols hee! good one old chap :)