Iran threatens to hit Turkey if US, Israel attack

[ВАЛТЕР]

Iran will target NATO's missile defense installations in Turkey if the U.S. or Israel attacks the Islamic Republic, a senior commander of Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard said Saturday.
Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Guards' aerospace division, said the warning is part of a new defense strategy to counter what he described as an increase in threats from the U.S. and Israel.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/26/international/i073648S97.DTL#ixzz1eqbyDTTi



So, now that everyone in the region has guns pointed at each others heads. It is only a matter of who pulls the trigger first.



I fear a large scale global conflict will come before a revolution.:(

[Nox]

It's all kickin' off...

[ВАЛТЕР]

cue: "War" by Edwin Starr

Seriously this is bad.

[rundontwalk]

Iran has no chance in hell.

[Art Vandelay]

Mexican standoff.

[rundontwalk]

Btw, attacking Turkey would be so stupid. It would give all NATO states an excuse to back up Israel. The European powers might otherwise stay out of this mess.

[Smyg]

Mexican standoff.

What a great ending to the world that would be.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Btw, attacking Turkey would be so stupid. It would give all NATO states an excuse to back up Israel. The European powers might otherwise stay out of this mess.

They said they will only attack if Israel strikes at them first.

[rundontwalk]

They said they will only attack if Israel strikes at them first.
So?

If it's only an Israel-Iran thing NATO doesn't yet have a reason to invoke article 5 of the NATO charter. Attacking Turkey does allow for that.

[ВАЛТЕР]

So?

If it's only an Israel-Iran thing NATO doesn't yet have a reason to invoke article 5 of the NATO charter. Attacking Turkey does allow for that.


You know, as well as I do that NATO will back Israel, regardless of whether Iran attacks Turkey or not. NATO goes everywhere in packs.

[rundontwalk]

You know, as well as I do that NATO will back Israel, regardless of whether Iran attacks Turkey or not. NATO goes everywhere in packs.
Yes, but what Iran is proposing would provide NATO a way to do it out in open and get away with it clear and free.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Yes, but what Iran is proposing would provide NATO a way to do it out in open and get away with it clear and free.

Guaranteed the Turks would allow the US/Israel to utilize their airspace, roads, etc. That is an act of war as far as the Iranians are concerned. Therefore Turkey becomes a legitimate target.

[Smyg]

Now, see, that's exactly how I want the world to end. Tarantino always does it best.

[Rafiq]

This won't be the end of the world. It will be the end of the middle east and parts of Europe, though. Iran stands no chance, will go down like Iraq did.

[Os Cangaceiros]

No better way to end threatening popular unrest than to drown it in a sea of nationalism. :rolleyes:

All the progressive momentum in the Arab world, all the progressive momentum in Iran, hell, even recently in Israel, all that's going to be lost if this transpires. It's awe-inspiring how fast war can break the back of a movement people have spent a lot of time and blood trying to push foward, whether it's the labor movement of the early 20th century and WW1, or what's happening in the Arab world today.

[freepalestine]

all that needs be seen in context of syria,with u.s./nato/turkyisreal saudi league and russia,china and iran etc..

[Invader Zim]

Mexican standoff.


Except of course the US and Israel are armed with Gatling guns while Iran is armed with pea shooters.

[Ocean Seal]

I'm going to go ahead and call it, there probably won't be a war. Iran and the West need each other: for the purpose of mindless dickwaving and nationalism. I don't think that either of them are ready to give up sabre-rattling for a war which probably wouldn't be to the benefit of either side. The United States I don't think is properly poised to imperialize Iran like they did Iraq. Plus Iran has a higher number of security forces among other things which make an invasion not very profitable for the Western bourgeoisie. In any case all leftists need to start rallying against sabre-rattling and this potential war. If we can get protests started and it appears that the government capitulates to the pressure of the working class we may well have scored an important victory.
Edit:Although from the wikipedia entry I just read, I saw that Iran has some rather dated weapons. This makes me doubt how much the military forces of Iran could deter a US invasion.

[danyboy27]

Edit:Although from the wikipedia entry I just read, I saw that Iran has some rather dated weapons. This makes me doubt how much the military forces of Iran could deter a US invasion.
War is not just a matter of equipement.
The only real deterrent to war when it come to face the U.S military is the ability to inflict high casuality, not necessarly to win the war itself, that why North korea havnt been invaded yet, beccause even the most positive estimate of a conflict with north korea implies ten of thousand of american lives lost.

If the U.S decide to attack Iran or Syria, its gonna be with a fuckload of drones and planes, the dirty work on the ground will be taken care of by some third party who can politically whistand the staggering amount of civilian and military death that would come with the conflict.

That being said, NATO and the U.S could be forced to put boots on the ground anyway, Stupidity and miscalculations tend to happen more often these days.

[piet11111]

The only really outdated stuff the Iranians have are aircraft and tanks both are of almost no use against NATO counterparts.

What they do have is really good anti air weaponry in the form of the S-300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_%28missile%29

And the Tor-M1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_m1

And their revolutionary guard forces that are ready to make the Iraqi insurgents look like boyscouts should NATO boots come on Iranian soil.

Then they have some nice anti ship missiles that they will use to cripple oil shipments through the suez canal.
And their ballistic missiles that will be raining down on oilfields and refinery's around the middle east and specifically on Israel and Turkey.
With possibly chemical or biological loads.

[el_chavista]

Btw, attacking Turkey would be so stupid. It would give all NATO states an excuse to back up Israel. The European powers might otherwise stay out of this mess.
The reason why Iran would attack Turkey is in the news:
Tehran says NATO's early warning radar station in Turkey is meant to protect Israel against Iranian missile attacks if a war breaks out with the Jewish state. Ankara agreed to host the radar in September as part of NATO's missile defense system aimed at countering ballistic missile threats from neighboring Iran.

[IndependentCitizen]

Why do nations always threaten another nation that has normally very little to do with the disputes....

[ВАЛТЕР]

Why do nations always threaten another nation that has normally very little to do with the disputes....

Because Turkey has important NATO radar bases which may be used to defend Israel, and would also the US/Israel to utilize it's roads/airspace. It is a legitimate target from a military standpoint.

[a rebel]

I doubt there will be any war, after Iraq and Afghanistan NATO wont want any part of another war. And unless Iran attacks Turkey I doubt any NATO involvement without much protest in the west. Also any war with Iran will be too costly for what they would accomplish, not only is there a large enough conventional army to make NATO nervous but the possibility of another decade of guerrilla warfare like Iraq or Afghanistan must scare the hell out of them. But at the same time I feel like they have no logical reasons for a war, but are going to back Israel just because that's what they always do and a giant clusterfuck will ensue....

[~Spectre]

Didn't Russia cancel the S-300s they were going to sell to Iran?

[piet11111]

Didn't Russia cancel the S-300s they were going to sell to Iran?

They reconsidered after Libya i posted news links in another thread so if you want to see that you have to do a search on iran.
I think it was 2-3 weeks ago.

[Rocky Rococo]

There's really only two ways to put a stop to all this:

(1) every country in the world gets the bomb;
(2) we overthrow the imperialist US regime.

(2) seems like the safer and saner way to go, but (1) is sadly probably easier and more likely.

[danyboy27]

The only really outdated stuff the Iranians have are aircraft and tanks both are of almost no use against NATO counterparts.

What they do have is really good anti air weaponry in the form of the S-300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_%28missile%29

And the Tor-M1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_m1

And their revolutionary guard forces that are ready to make the Iraqi insurgents look like boyscouts should NATO boots come on Iranian soil.

Then they have some nice anti ship missiles that they will use to cripple oil shipments through the suez canal.
And their ballistic missiles that will be raining down on oilfields and refinery's around the middle east and specifically on Israel and Turkey.
With possibly chemical or biological loads.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11388680

[Threetune]

So?

If it's only an Israel-Iran thing NATO doesn't yet have a reason to invoke article 5 of the NATO charter. Attacking Turkey does allow for that.

Ha, do you really believe that legal niceties are going to count for anything? Blitzing imperialism is firmly on the war path and the top dogs are intent on staying on top at any price, the ‘Arab spring’ is so dangerous for them and has to be smashed as it was in Libya. Any and all resistance or even lack of compliance with the US world dictatorship is a target for smiting. Destruction of ‘surplus’ capital, products and labour in war is the underlying drive of imperialism regardless of the alleged ‘reasons’ for the war.

[piet11111]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11388680

[/URL]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-09/20/c_131150131.htm (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2267822&postcount=55)

Iran developing its own version based on chinese S-300's.

[URL]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-official-we-have-obtained-the-s-300-missile-system-1.305954

Iran purchased 4 S-300 systems 2 from belarus and 2 from unknown seller.