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Titoist
26th November 2011, 20:15
Can someone send me some links on what Marx(ism) says about on the outlook on life?
Some examples I want to find out from the perspective of Marxism:
- Meaning of life?
- Humans history and the conception of history.
- How is man in nature?
- What makes human existence on Earth?
Please send me links or whatever from a marxism perspective, thanks you very much in advance :)
EDIT: Sorry the title might been a bit misleading.
Revolutionary_Marxist
27th November 2011, 05:39
As a Marxist Leninist my stance on religion is simply that's existence is an obstacle to the global liberation of the proletariat. Religion simply put is an obstacle because it blinds people and having faith in a God or Gods rather than the people themselves. An important term when discussing religion and Marxism is Materialism. Materialism simply what we see and know scientifically exists and nothing else. Most Marxists take this stance, but their are religious Marxists, but if you want my personal opinion I believe they dont understand Marxism entirely, after all Marx was an atheist who openly discredited religious ideas.
Anyway, As for the meaning of life that is a philosophical question really. As an existentialist I believe that life initially has no meaning, and that you have to make your own meaning for life. Religious standpoints make it so your life is of absoulte devoution to a higher power, objectivists tend to make life as a game where you'll inevitably win and every life has a meaning.
The history of mankind often leads people into revisionism which I'm personally not a big fan of. Mostly Marxists and Marxist Leninists like me see history as class struggle between the upper class, and the working proletarian or lower class. Most events in history occurred that way and unfortunately the capitalists have won most of the time.
Man in nature? That's a good question. I personally see man's role in nature as us being part of it, or it's masters. After all if we live on this world, shouldn't we use for the benefit of mankind?
Sorry if I personally wasn't able to answer your questions explicitly, but I'm sure other Marxists would be able to assist you in this matter. Also here are some links I've found that explain this topic a little further like you asked. IF you have any other questions feel free to ask me or other Marxists around here on revleft.
P.S: I was not able to post the links to the websites I've found, but a good website too go to is Marxists. org
Искра
27th November 2011, 10:22
Is this titoism a new hipster thing, or what?
Titoist
27th November 2011, 12:30
As a Marxist Leninist my stance on religion is simply that's existence is an obstacle to the global liberation of the proletariat. Religion simply put is an obstacle because it blinds people and having faith in a God or Gods rather than the people themselves. An important term when discussing religion and Marxism is Materialism. Materialism simply what we see and know scientifically exists and nothing else. Most Marxists take this stance, but their are religious Marxists, but if you want my personal opinion I believe they dont understand Marxism entirely, after all Marx was an atheist who openly discredited religious ideas.
Anyway, As for the meaning of life that is a philosophical question really. As an existentialist I believe that life initially has no meaning, and that you have to make your own meaning for life. Religious standpoints make it so your life is of absoulte devoution to a higher power, objectivists tend to make life as a game where you'll inevitably win and every life has a meaning.
The history of mankind often leads people into revisionism which I'm personally not a big fan of. Mostly Marxists and Marxist Leninists like me see history as class struggle between the upper class, and the working proletarian or lower class. Most events in history occurred that way and unfortunately the capitalists have won most of the time.
Man in nature? That's a good question. I personally see man's role in nature as us being part of it, or it's masters. After all if we live on this world, shouldn't we use for the benefit of mankind?
Sorry if I personally wasn't able to answer your questions explicitly, but I'm sure other Marxists would be able to assist you in this matter. Also here are some links I've found that explain this topic a little further like you asked. IF you have any other questions feel free to ask me or other Marxists around here on revleft.
P.S: I was not able to post the links to the websites I've found, but a good website too go to is Marxists. org
Thank you :)
It doesn't work to post links? In PM?
Is this titoism a new hipster thing, or what?
I will just ignore this ignorant & off-topic post.
Wouldn't it be better if you could help me rather than just posting off-topic things?
Revolutionary_Marxist
27th November 2011, 14:18
Thank you :)
It doesn't work to post links? In PM?
I will just ignore this ignorant & off-topic post.
Wouldn't it be better if you could help me rather than just posting off-topic things?
The problem is that I don't have the amount of post requirements needed to post links which I believe is 25 posts. Even though I joined this past July, I still wasn't active until recently. And no problem, just a comrade helping another comrade :)
LuckyStrikes
27th November 2011, 17:47
Marx himself described religion as the opiate of the masses. He believed that religion was used by the state to make workers satisfied with their paltry, subservient existence. I like to believe that their is a God, but the belief in that God does not substantiate the myth of God wanting me to be a good, obedient worker.
Personally, I believe that my choice in religion has no bearing on my political and social consciousness. Religion is a separate issue. But, as Revolutionary Marxist already said go to marxists .org. Under the Marx and Engle's section they have a subject index and one of the subjects is religion.
Titoist
27th November 2011, 19:07
Anyone could help me out a bit more?
Thanks :)
Commissar Rykov
28th November 2011, 00:04
Anyone could help me out a bit more?
Thanks :)
http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/religion/index.htm
Not much more to add other than that has plenty of writings on Marx and Engels thoughts on the matter.
nasakom_USDEK
30th November 2011, 10:47
In my opinion, I believe in my religion jus like Tan Malaka, Semaun, haji Misbach and Sukarno, my religion has some similarities with communism, in my religion the people who are not poor must give at least 2.5% of their money to the poor, and in my religion we must fight injustice, my religion also teach to respect each other, and one of my country communist leader say those who says that their religion is same as me and him but not accept communism basic was not understand their religion.
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