Pakistan orders US out of airbase

[ВАЛТЕР]

Pakistan gives the US 15 days to fuck off out of an airbase being used by US/NATO troops.


http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nato-attack-fallout-pakistan-tells-us-to-vacate-airbase-153214



The firing by NATO helicopters and combat jets on Pakistan soldiers has added further strain to already tense Pakistan-US relationship.As the issue flared up, Pakistan called a meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet on Saturday which asked the United States to vacate its key airbase within 15 days and closed NATO supply lines into Afghanistan.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

How much do you wanna bet the U.S will either close the base and open up a new one or tell Pakistan to fuck off? I am betting a lot.

[rundontwalk]

This whole thing looks terrible for Pakistan. I'd go so far as to say it isn't even a real state, in that it doesn't have the monopoly on violence. Not when the US/Taliban are doing whatever they want, wherever they want, when they want.

[ВАЛТЕР]

How much do you wanna bet the U.S will either close the base and open up a new one or tell Pakistan to fuck off? I am betting a lot.


They cannot open a new one on Pakistan's territory without approval from the government. If they tell the Pakistanis to fuck off. Then we may just have a conflict on our hands. Because that constitutes a forceful occupation. Remember the Pakistanis have nuclear weapons, and a public who absolutely despises the US. The potential for conflict is there. Maybe some compromise will be reached, such as the US paying off the Pakistanis and them allowing the US to stay. That is a more likely scenario.

[rundontwalk]

They cannot open a new one on Pakistan's territory without approval from the government. If they tell the Pakistanis to fuck off. Then we may just have a conflict on our hands. Because that constitutes a forceful occupation. Remember the Pakistanis have nuclear weapons, and a public who absolutely despises the US. The potential for conflict is there. Maybe some compromise will be reached, such as the US paying off the Pakistanis and them allowing the US to stay. That is a more likely scenario.
The Pakistani government is irrelevant. The military/ISI are the only ones who matter.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

US Imperialism is really its own worst enemy. Pakistan was a willing, compliant ally for years. It saw the alliance with the US as the best means to protect/expand its own Imperialist aspirations. However, American arrogance and overreach has made this alliance increasingly untenable. It thought that because Pakistan was a poor, needy country, that its government and military establishment would let the US basically do whatever it damn well pleased. They never considered that the interests of the two countries were contradictory in that they both had differing visions of Afghanistan's future and the future of the subcontinent in general, and that the pakistani people and establishment would get sick of the US military basically ignoring their sovereignty. Perhaps the Pakistanis thought that the US would treat them as an equal player in this Imperialist "war on terror"? Either way this has been a dysfunctional alliance for some time.

The real victims in all this are the people of Pakistan, Afghanistan and the soldiers. The ISI/Pakistani military/NATO are responsible for creating all this instability in the area, it seems as much out of incompetence as design, and then send the proletariat back in body bags with a few civilians along the way.


The Pakistani government is irrelevant. The military/ISI are the only ones who matter.

also, now that I think about it, ''pakis'' is a bit of an ethnic slur innit

True, I doubt Valter knew that based on his personal history so its a mistake out of innocence but "Paki" is not actually an existing ethnic group and is a slang word

[RedHal]

Paki is a derogatory term, don't use it

The Pakistani air force is obsessed with their F-16s, that will be a big factor in trying to kick the yanks out.

[ВАЛТЕР]

The Pakistani government is irrelevant. The military/ISI are the only ones who matter.


Yeah, but the Military is under the command of the government isnt it?


also, now that I think about it, ''pakis'' is a bit of an ethnic slur innit

Is it? I always though it was short for Pakistani.

Well, I'll go back and change it just in case. Sorry if somebody got offended. No harm was meant.

[Grigori]

The Pakistanis have a long legacy of dickish behavior. I have no problem with fully supporting the Indians in this situation.

[rundontwalk]

Yeah, but the Military is under the command of the government isnt it?
Negative. In Pakistan it's the other way around. The military and ISI have free reign to literally do whatever they want. Including providing logistical support to groups such as the LeT and others for the purposes of proxy war in India. (Speaking of which everyone needs to sit the fuck down and solve the Kashmir issue before this gets completely out of control.)

Is it? I always though it was short for Pakistani.

Well, I'll go back and change it just in case. Sorry if somebody got offended. No harm was meant.
It's considered an ethnic slur in the UK and some other places, not so much in the US I think (but then again I haven't ever really heard it used here to begin with).

[ВАЛТЕР]

Also, look at some of these bigoted comments from people on this story..:cursing:

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-demands-us-vacate-suspected-drone-183904830.html

[rundontwalk]

Also, look at some of these bigoted comments from people on this story..:cursing:

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-demands-us-vacate-suspected-drone-183904830.html
lol

The US just attacked Pakistan, and Americans are getting angry at the victim. Typical behavior in all facets of American society really.

[Smyg]

Silly regional slurs.

[ВАЛТЕР]

lol

The US just attacked Pakistan, and Americans are getting angry at the victim. Typical behavior in all facets of American society really.

Yeah, it is sad really. I'm gonna go look at Fox News readers comments. those always entertain me/frighten me like a horror movie.

[ВАЛТЕР]

This world is taking turns for the worse everyday. I get up in the morning and think to myself "wonder what gets bombed today" it sucks...

[The CPSU Chairman]

**sniffs the air** Ah, I love the smell of an approaching military coup in the morning.

[ВАЛТЕР]

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Comment from the Fox News comment section on this story.

REEKS Of fascism.

This is only one of many.



The only reason the Paki's are allowed to cut off supplies to NATO and American troops is because our "closet" mooslum president backs the back stabbing Paki's. The only way this game should be played is to take a few "plays" from the German's war book on how to handle your enemies. The minute the Paki's stopped the flow of war supplies, they should be bombed back further into the stone age. No more double dealing from these A-holes. Lay it out for them---"DO EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AND TELL YOU OR YOU WILL D-- I -- E!!!!" We are the most powerful nation in the world, we do not care if what we do bothers you and if you do something to bother us, then "WHAM-MO" "BAM-MO" no more Paki's
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/26/deadly-border-strike-inflames-tensions-between-us-pakistan/#)

[Comrade Samuel]

If America thinks they can police the world then by all means stay, continue a conflict that has lost all meaning I fear that if we don't just trash all military operations in the middle east then we will be dealing with the repurcussions for generations to come.

In my opinion Since the death of bin laden America's population feels as though it's mission is accomplished and therefor continuing in afganistan/ Iraq no longer has a purpose. This situation is a prime example of middle eastern countries become very aggravated at our involvement in issues that effect us in no way.

This whole situation is stupid.

[Blackscare]

The Pakistanis have a long legacy of dickish behavior. I have no problem with fully supporting the Indians in this situation.

What the fuck are you talking about? The Indians have nothing to do with this. Did you even read the OP?

[rundontwalk]

What the fuck are you talking about? The Indians have nothing to do with this. Did you even read the OP?
India has everything to do with this in a sorta roundabout way.

[Bronco]

You can just imagine what would happen if the situation was reversed and Pakistan was responsible for the deaths of 28 US soldiers, there'd be international furore and America would be preparing for war right now

[MattShizzle]

Comment from the Fox News comment section on this story.

REEKS Of fascism.

This is only one of many.

The only reason the Paki's are allowed to cut off supplies to NATO and American troops is because our "closet" mooslum president backs the back stabbing Paki's. The only way this game should be played is to take a few "plays" from the German's war book on how to handle your enemies. The minute the Paki's stopped the flow of war supplies, they should be bombed back further into the stone age. No more double dealing from these A-holes. Lay it out for them---"DO EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AND TELL YOU OR YOU WILL D-- I -- E!!!!" We are the most powerful nation in the world, we do not care if what we do bothers you and if you do something to bother us, then "WHAM-MO" "BAM-MO" no more Paki's
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Holy shit. And lunatics like that always vote, too. Some of these FAUX "news" viewers if they had their way WWIII would be starting very soon.

[Art Vandelay]

Pakistan has nukes right? I could easily see them allying with Iran in an oncoming conflict. At least both sides would have nukes to hopefully dissuade the other side from pushing the button. God I see another war brewing.

[rundontwalk]

Pakistan has nukes right? I could easily see them allying with Iran in an oncoming conflict.
Doubt it.

The Taliban would have a field day with the Pakistani military aligning with a bunch of (what they view as) heretics. The Shia-Sunni angle I mean.

[Blackscare]

India has everything to do with this in a sorta roundabout way.

Explain please.

[rundontwalk]

Explain please.
The people who run Pakistan are absolutely paranoid about India gaining the upper hand, geopolitically speaking, in Afghanistan. It's one of many reasons why the Pakistanis support certain branches of the Taliban and help stage terrorist attacks in India.

E.g.,


The U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan will lead to India and Pakistan struggling over influence in the war-torn country, according to Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s former president.

An unstable Afghanistan reeling from U.S. withdrawal, with bordering India and Pakistan fighting for influence, will lead to disarray in the region, Musharraf said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” in an interview to be aired today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-05/india-pakistan-will-compete-for-influence-in-afghanistan-musharraf-says.html

[Nox]

Doubt it.

The Taliban would have a field day with the Pakistani military aligning with a bunch of (what they view as) heretics. The Shia-Sunni angle I mean.

You're right, the Taliban certainly aren't oppurtunists - they would never ever take sides with a Shia country regardless of the circumstances.

[Agathor]

US-Pakistan relations have always been extremely precarious. Pakistan co-operated with the US on Afghanistan because they threatened to bomb them "back to the stone age", according to Musharraf.

[Rafiq]

I predict the U.S. Isn't going to leave and in 15 days nothing will happen.

[Bronco]

The people who run Pakistan are absolutely paranoid about India gaining the upper hand, geopolitically speaking, in Afghanistan. It's one of many reasons why the Pakistanis support certain branches of the Taliban and help stage terrorist attacks in India.

E.g.,



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-05/india-pakistan-will-compete-for-influence-in-afghanistan-musharraf-says.html

I don't see how Pakistani/Indian affairs being closely linked validates "supporting the Indians" in this specific instance, what exactly is there to support, the Indians haven't done anything here