Self defense

[NewLeft]

I almost got mugged today and the attacker tried to stab me but luckily I was able to trip him. That was a close call.. Now I have more reasons to learn self-defense, any advice for future? Any good tips on defending from a knife attack?

[Susurrus]

Any good tips on defending from a knife attack?

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[Os Cangaceiros]

Duct tape phone books to your chest.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Susurrus' suggestion was pretty good, though. Although I'm not sure what the gun laws are like in Canada. In most of the USA it's easy (as long as you're not a felon or noticably crazy) to get a handgun legally (to varying degrees...obviously laws regarding handgun use are different in, say, Alaska than they are in New York City, where the laws are much more restrictive). And most of the time handgun > knife. Recent legislation aims to streamline laws state-by-state, too, which is good (with the exception of Illinois/Washington DC) Concealed carry laws are very restrictive about the circumstances in which you can fire (or even reveal) your weapon, so anyone who packs had better be sure they have a damn good reason to draw their weapon.

It's probably not even applicable to your situation, but it's a pretty good option for self-defense overall IMO.

[rundontwalk]

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[Os Cangaceiros]

Made in the "great" state of Texas. :lol:

I actually recognize that pistol, though. Bond Arms has been advertising in some gun nut magazines I've been reading. You can shoot a bunch of different calibers through that thing, too...a mugger with a face full of buckshot probably won't be very good with a knife.

[Inner Peace]

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[TheGodlessUtopian]

Is there a local Dojo where you can learn karate or some other form of martial arts?

[ellipsis]

Duct tape phone books to your chest.

Having made phonebook body armor before, I would say that a better method is to tape two sets of four together and then make straps with the duct tape to go over your shoulders. Visualize those wearable signs people advertise on the side of the road with. or bruce willis in harlem in die hard 3.

So thats a 2x2 stack in front and another in back.

Also would probably stop .22 or slow flaq.


Concealed carry laws are very restrictive about the circumstances in which you can fire (or even reveal) your weapon, so anyone who packs had better be sure they have a damn good reason to draw their weapon.

It's probably not even applicable to your situation, but it's a pretty good option for self-defense overall IMO.

Guns +3. Open carry laws are in general less restrictive, in some cases unpermitted. A glock on your waist is a pretty good visual deterrent. IANAL, but I think long arms also qualify for open carry.

Again always check local gun laws


Made in the "great" state of Texas. :lol:

I actually recognize that pistol, though. Bond Arms has been advertising in some gun nut magazines I've been reading. You can shoot a bunch of different calibers through that thing, too...a mugger with a face full of buckshot probably won't be very good with a knife.

Eh... 2 3/4 .410 3 pellets buck out of a one or two inch barrel is far less powerful than one would imagine. .38 spl corbon dpx out of a six in. barrel on the other hand..



I almost got mugged today and the attacker tried to stab me but luckily I was able to trip him. That was a close call.. Now I have more reasons to learn self-defense, any advice for future? Any good tips on defending from a knife attack?

haha I got caught up in gun talk...

OP- Akido would be a safe bet in this type of situation, in fact it was made for unarmed vs. blade confrontations.

You can also get anti-stab body armor if you don't wanna wear phone books.

[#FF0000]

A gun isn't really all that effective if someone's up close and stabbing at you, honestly.

then again just the sight of the gun would be enough to send a mugger on his way.

But yeah dawg, Akido or maybe Judo would do you well.

[Nox]

Bring a knife with you, I'm pretty sure that (in the UK at least) you can get away with stabbing someone if you are threatened with a knife/other weapon.

[The Idler]

Bring a knife with you, I'm pretty sure that (in the UK at least) you can get away with stabbing someone if you are threatened with a knife/other weapon.
Yeah about that, you are kidding right? The best defence is to run away, or get out of the situation as quickly as possible. Don't use what you've seen in movies. Prolong a fight any longer than necessary and the risk increases.

[ВАЛТЕР]

If it was me I would just run away. Fuck a knife, I can outrun a knife. You aren't getting shit from me unless you have a gun.

Also, defense? Systema Spetsnaz.

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[Leftsolidarity]

I would say start walking around with a knife or gun. When I walk around in the city I always have a knife on me or I'm in a large group where multiple people do.

That being said, run like fuck. No need to get in a knife fight if you think you can get away.

Martial arts are great too.

Edit: That city comment makes me sound like I'm terrified of city folk haha I spend time in the 9th most dangerous city in the USA. THAT'S why I say that. Maybe if you're in a lower crime area you don't need to do that.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Knuckle Duster > Knife

A person can still fight with stab wounds/slashes. A single crack with a knuckle duster is a guaranteed KO. I've seen people use both, and I can tell you. The guys who got cut up were still capable of fighting, pretty ferociously I might add.

The guy i saw who got cracked with a knuckleduster was immediately on the ground with a busted head, blood everywhere.

[Leftsolidarity]

Knuckle Duster > Knife

A person can still fight with stab wounds/slashes. A single crack with a knuckle duster is a guaranteed KO. I've seen people use both, and I can tell you. The guys who got cut up were still capable of fighting, pretty ferociously I might add.

The guy i saw who got cracked with a knuckleduster was immediately on the ground with a busted head, blood everywhere.

Those are illegal in Canada

[ВАЛТЕР]

Those are illegal in Canada


They're "illegal" in a lot of places.;)

Im just saying my preference. I have two pairs of those and the only knife I have is my swiss army one.

[ellipsis]

I have run from guns before, but I knew they didn't want to kill me. Running is a good option. The best fight is the one that doesn't happen.

I live in a rough part of san francisco (tenderloin, what?) and wander alone at all times of night and day in all types of neighborhood. I use 'urban camo' to blend in, i.e. i look like im homeless and it works, in all types of situations. If you can't be invisible you might as well not be seen.

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

no offence but why would you have to get somewhere so bad that you'd dress up as a homeless person? :P

[ellipsis]

I don't "dress up" i just look homeless as i wear huge baggy camo jackets or coats, I am a freegan so my clothes are old and stained and rips.

I am not sure what you are asking but the reason i live here is cause its the only place i could afford in the city. 2nd highest rental costs in the US.

[IndependentCitizen]

Learn krav maga, and muay thai. Krav maga is fucking nuts..

[Hiero]

I was always told if you have a fight and the guy has a knife you are going to lose or least move back tactifully. The best option is to run, or maybe if you grab a large pole or stick you can strick their wrist so hard you make them drop it. But if you are uncoordinated and miss, I imagine you will be left open to being stabbed.

You would have to look at self-defence classes, a popular one is the Krav Maga, which is what the IDF uses, it focus on close combat against people with weopons. Or maybe some form of kick boxing. But you would have to go learn it to become confident, not just watch youtube videos.


I use 'urban camo' to blend in, i.e. i look like im homeless and it works, in all types of situations. If you can't be invisible you might as well not be seen.

That is probally the best advice. I live in a stange neighbourhood.. Historically the main stretch has been used by illegal sex workers and there is a bikie club house nearby. It was place known for herion users and people tell me that condoms and needles used to litter the streets gutters. Now days there are only a few postitutes who use the stretch, I have not seen a needle for a long time. I moved in towards the end of it's lumpen/criminal era and it is becoming gentrified.

Still it is an area that borders high crime neighbourhoods and crims still accompany the area. A year ago someone I know of was rolled coming out of the local gay bay pissed at 3am in the morning. They pulled him away to a park and bashed him and then tried to get him reveal his pin.

However if I am alone at night I generally feel safe. I think big advantage is urban camo, looking like you belong and are comftable in the surroundings, and not that you have just wandering in drunk or lost. I feel more safe sometimes being on my own then I do being in the company of other males, a small groups can attract attention of larger grops of criminals looking to fight and rob. The risk is also drunk groups of young men looking to fight.

I think baggy clothes and hoody is a must, it really hides your identity, makes it hard for the crim to work out if you are a skinny nerdy white dude, or an identity that is scripted as dangerous, mixed ethnicity, psycho drug using white guy, body builder or whatever. You can wear a big hoody and jeans and just take the hoody off at your destination so you don't look like a thug.

The other is your interaction. Keep your interaction minimal. The first sign of danger is being asked for a cigarette at 2am in the morning in a dangerous area. Or anything that makes you stop in place, like asking for train times or directions. I think the best response is "nah bro" "don't know bro" and keep walking. Aviod eye contact, unless you actually do look like a mean guy.

One interaction I had started to go wrong when two fat dumb idiots came up and asked my friend for a cigarette and he stop and said "pardon?". I quickly said no but we had already stopped. Then their next question was about my ethnicity. One kept trying to touch my friend and pretend to throw punches. When we walked away they began to threaten us yelling shit out. Normally I wouldn't worry, but they were significantly bigger then us and look like they were on speed. They did not follow us because they would have had to leave their musclely friends who were in the car park.

Basically I think people looking to fight for fun, fight to rob or thoose on drugs or drunk they want to assess situation. They want to be able to see your body and face, they want you to talk as well so they want you to stop. Unless they are truely crazy or veteran crims who make their assement quickly. They want to know when they began wailing into you that you are not going to go crazy and stab them or bash them back. The best defence is not to fit a target's identity.

[Fopeos]

Learn a martial art. Weapons are fun but they aren't always practical. Once you learn to use your body as a weapon, you'll welcome every opportunity to practice on would-be muggers. There are thousands of styles and disciplines to choose from.

[ellipsis]

I feel more safe sometimes being on my own then I do being in the company of other males, a small groups can attract attention of larger grops of criminals looking to fight and rob. The risk is also drunk groups of young men looking to fight.

Me too, no buddy ever bothers me on my own, but as soon as there are two guys walking around, we get hasseled by the sex workers and people trying to hustle money with sob stories.

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I think the point of martial arts is to not use them. I can't think of any martial artists who would "welcome" an attack.

Also for areas where carrying guns and knives is not possible, pepperspray might be a good option. Some states, i.e. Massachusetts requier A CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE TO CARRY PEPPER SPRAY! oy!:rolleyes: in these state i have heard about females jogging with cans of RAID.

[Meridian]

Knuckle Duster > Knife

A person can still fight with stab wounds/slashes. A single crack with a knuckle duster is a guaranteed KO. I've seen people use both, and I can tell you. The guys who got cut up were still capable of fighting, pretty ferociously I might add.

The guy i saw who got cracked with a knuckleduster was immediately on the ground with a busted head, blood everywhere.

Then the person who got cut up was lucky. A solid knife is at least as dangerous as brass knuckles in equally capable hands, I think.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Use a chuck norris.

you can also look into tasers and laws regarding their use, they're pretty effective. Also, if you are confident in your abilities then always close the gap first and fas between you and your attacker. They aren't expecting a fight, and you can shock and disarm them.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Then the person who got cut up was lucky. A solid knife is at least as dangerous as brass knuckles in equally capable hands, I think.

Key words "capable hands" most people just blindly slash and stab at the person. I doubt you are going to run into a former Spetsnaz operative trying to mug you, who can kill you before you scream.

Brass knuckles, or any heavier blunt force trauma causes immediate loss of balance, hemorrhaging, broken bones, etc pretty much immediately.

When you hit someone with a pair of brass knuckles, you can literally feel their cheekbones cave in, and hear their jaw pop. It's a pretty scary thing to do to someone and I wouldn't suggest it unless the situation warrants excessive force.

I would recommend brass knuckles over a knife to the average person since they are easy to use. A knife is great if you have the skills and ability to use it effectively.

I would however, more than ANYTHING just recommend running away if the guy has a knife. A knife can't catch you, and I doubt the guy will give chase simply because it would be a hassle.

[Decolonize The Left]

Are you physically and mentally capable of fighting another individual, usually one who intends to hurt you?

If you answered NO to this question, then run. Don't ask, just run. If you answered yes, then there's no real need to continue the discussion is there? The question then becomes how do I become physically and mentally capable of fighting another individual. The answer is usually some form of martial arts (MMA, Krav Magra, Judo, Akido, etc...). Carrying a weapon without the knowledge of how to use that weapon just means you're carrying something someone else will use against you.

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[Rusty Shackleford]

I commute in an old british Armored Car from WWII and carry a PDW variant of the RPG series.

[Hiero]

Are you physically and mentally capable of fighting another individual, usually one who intends to hurt you?

That is the best question in this thread. But run away tactfully. Sometimes it is better to back away with your hands covering your face, rather then just turn and run, as they may run faster and pull you down or swing at the back of your head.

I did self defence training today for my job. It is pretty hard to knock a knife out of someone's hand. It would take a few years at a self training program to be able to do it succesfully.

[Susurrus]

A solution to the debate:
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[khad]

It's very difficult to defend against a knife attack. Pretty much impossible if the guy knows what he's doing (weapon hand retracted, shielded by off hand, which renders most disarms useless). You should look at that book by Don Pentecost on prison knife fighting to understand the mentality behind a knife attack and the limited options you have in defending yourself. Don't count on guns either; the 21 foot rule exists for a reason. Distance is your best friend.

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