Occupy Movement more popular than Tea Party....

[RadioRaheem84]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/13/8306261-occupy-wall-street-more-popular-than-tea-party?chromedomain=usnews

Interesting findings.....

Occupy Movement is more popular than the Tea Party, yet surprise-surprise, gets less coverage or more negative coverage than the latter.

Many of the people who support Occupt seem to be either Third Party types, Greens, or what looks like could be the start of a real Social Democratic/Labor party.

OR they're radical in what the article describes as the "Chomsky" camp aka socialist, anarchist, communist, etc (I am assuming).

Very few are real Obama supporters or conventional liberals.



Rank yourself on the following Scale of Liberalism:

Not liberal at all: 6

Liberal but fairly mainstream (i.e., Barack Obama): 3

Strongly liberal (i.e., Paul Krugman): 12

Fed up with Democrats, believe country needs overhaul (i.e., Ralph Nader): 41

Convinced the U.S. government is no better than, say, Al Qaeda (i.e., Noam Chomsky): 34



Anyone else notice that in the States, socialists, communists, anarchists are just seen as "extreme liberals"? :confused:

[Ocean Seal]

Interesting findings.....

Occupy Movement is more popular than the Tea Party, yet surprise-surprise, gets less coverage or more negative coverage than the latter.

A right wing movement is no danger to the establishment, especially one like the Tea Party which plays directly into their interests. In addition, the amount of violence which has been used to suppress occupy is very unexpected.


Many of the people who support Occupt seem to be either Third Party types, Greens, or what looks like could be the start of a real Social Democratic/Labor party.

I wouldn't say the start of an SDP, but definitely these people need to be organized into a political front.



OR they're radical in what the article describes as the "Chomsky" camp aka socialist, anarchist, communist, etc (I am assuming).

If anything that this occupy movement has made me realize is how many of us there actually are. Not to say that there are many, but I've found an unprecedented amount of leftists.



Very few are real Obama supporters or conventional liberals.

No, I would say that most of them call themselves liberal, but very few support Obama.



Anyone else notice that in the States, socialists, communists, anarchists are just seen as "extreme liberals"? :confused:
Yep. Far-left=extremely liberal. Although negative sentiments towards the word socialist are diminishing.

[RadioRaheem84]

I wouldn't say the start of an SDP, but definitely these people need to be organized into a political front.




Are we talking about a popular front?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Less conservatives? Yes, though in the beginning of my occupy there was a Christian Fundamentalist and later on a "Rouge Tea Partier." They didn't last long.

But yes,it is unsurprising that it is more popular since it is not an AstroTurf event funded by big business but rather a genuine peoples movement.

[khad]

Pfffft. Your news is outdated.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html (http://anonym.to/?http://anonym.to/http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html)


November 16, 2011

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

[RadioRaheem84]

Americans are all over the place! We listen to the media way too much as a society.

[Black_Rose]

Rank yourself on the following Scale of Liberalism:

Not liberal at all: 6

Liberal but fairly mainstream (i.e., Barack Obama): 3

Strongly liberal (i.e., Paul Krugman): 12

Fed up with Democrats, believe country needs overhaul (i.e., Ralph Nader): 41

Convinced the U.S. government is no better than, say, Al Qaeda (i.e., Noam Chomsky): 34 What is the composition of people reading the Daily Kos?

Are they mostly Krugman liberals? They seem demographically representative of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

I would say they believe that the US needs an "overhaul" to be like the Scandinavian social democracies, but few believe in the necessity of dismantling capitalism and replacing it with a more just political system (depends if you're a Trot, ML, or left-com, or anarcho-com). Some revolutionary leftists do believe neoliberal imperial capitalism is inherently unstable and will inevitably collapse, but they understand the need to properly utilize the opportunity and ensure that a reactionary regime will not use the of crisis to assume power.

[mrmikhail]

What is the composition of people reading the Daily Kos?

Are they mostly Krugman liberals? They seem demographically representative of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

I would say they believe that the US needs an "overhaul" to be like the Scandinavian social democracies, but few believe in the necessity of dismantling capitalism and replacing it with a more just political system (depends if you're a Trot, ML, or left-com, or anarcho-com). Some revolutionary leftists do believe capitalism is inherently unstable and will inevitably collapse, but we need to ensure that a reactionary regime will not use the moment of crisis to assume power.

Daily Kos is composed of "progressives" as they call themselves, their motives are to do nothing but push the agenda of the democratic party and make it stronger....


On the note of a social democracy, the problem with this is that there is such a large debt the us wouldn't be able to maintain such a system, and americans are apparently overwhelmingly opposed to things like socialised medicine, they'd much rather be sick and/or dying without healthcare than to have it free :confused:

Capitalism is, however, fatally flawed in that it depends on a system of infinite growth to survive, which is obviously impossible due to limited resources....so essentially when resource productions drop the system will collapse upon itself. You can take the example of the Roman Empire to see what happens when an economic system has ran it's course and comes to an end.

As for reaction taking over, there is a very good chance of this if workers do not become more conscious of their power, we really need to work hard to push unionisation, luckily the unions are finally seeing the light and starting to reverse their policies of supporting the democratic party without question and looking to the possibility of forming an American Labour party.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Pfffft. Your news is outdated.

So is yours, apparently:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150896/Support-Occupy-Unchanged-Criticize-Approach.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

There are a number of tables there.

[khad]

So is yours, apparently:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150896/Support-Occupy-Unchanged-Criticize-Approach.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

There are a number of tables there.
Nothing in there says that OWS is more popular than the Tea Party.

My point still stands.

[阿部高和]

As Marxists, we're not fighting to win a popularity contest.

[Black_Rose]

As Marxists, we're not fighting to win a popularity contest.
But we do need for people that at least support a revolution and most importantly, willing to risk their lives for the revolution's success. Of course, one should only risk their life if the risk/reward ratio is attractive; currently the opportunity has not presented itself.