What are some of the most common examples of sexism ?

[AntifaZG]

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[Nox]

I assume you mean sexism against females right?

Islam is the first thing that springs to mind, forcing women to cover their heads and taking away virtually all their rights.

[Kamos]

I'd rather go for the everyday examples - the idea of "chivalry", women/kitchen jokes, work-related inequalities such as wage gaps between men and women, the dualism of the "womanizer guy" and the "slut" stereotypes and so on.

[AntifaZG]

I assume you mean sexism against females right?

Islam is the first thing that springs to mind, forcing women to cover their heads and taking away virtually all their rights.

You support the burka bans ?

[AntifaZG]

the idea of "chivalry"

what you mean ?

[Garret]

what you mean ?
The belief that men have the duty to intrude on a women's independence because they are so 'frail and weak' (E.g. Holding doors all the time, men insisting to pay for a meal and so on. Where simple acts of kindness are instead filled with pride)

[No_Leaders]

The belief that men have the duty to intrude on a women's independence because they are so 'frail and weak' (E.g. Holding doors all the time, men insisting to pay for a meal and so on. Where simple acts of kindness are instead filled with pride)
You know i do a lot of those things for my lady friend(not dating her yet but hopefully we will be soon!) although not because i feel obligated to or because she's a female but simply because i'm nice. I do a lot of things just to show i care, and that i'm not a douche bag like her other ex boyfriends. I'll make dinner and stuff when she comes over, i'll buy lunch for her and bring it to her at work, bought her medicine when she was sick. If we go out to eat i'll insist on paying cause i want her to save her money for other things i know she'll need it for. So is that different than doing it because of 'chivalry'? Like if i'm doing it to be nice and cause i care and generally am just a giving person?

But i do understand what you mean, theres those guys who do all those things because they feel pride from being 'the man'. It's like i know some guys who insist that their gf or wife not work because they want to support them.. I think a lot of it is due to upbringing too, a lot of guys are taught they should behave in such ways because of the sexism that dominates our society.

[#FF0000]

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Gender roles. Rape culture. The difference in pay between men and women. Etc.


You support the burka bans ?

can't speak for Nox but I'd say he shouldn't. Let women wear what they want. v:mellow:v


Islam is the first thing that springs to mind, forcing women to cover their heads and taking away virtually all their rights.

>2011
>believing that is an "islam thing" rather than a cultural thing in certain parts of Africa and the Middle East.

[28350]

gender

[Game Girl]

I'm usually the subject of sexist remarks within the gaming community. I remember this one time I was playing GTA IV online, headset and everything. When the dudes realised I was a woman, they cracked the usual jokes...."Girls can't play GTA!!"..."Go back to playing Cooking Mama!"..."Send me a photo of yourself!"..This one guy thought he was being smart by stalking me in the game. Hiding and such...I got a rocket launcher and BLEW HIM THE F*** UP!!

This amused me. :)

Seriously though. I'd have to say gender roles is a form of sexism that offends me. People always comment on how I'm not lady-like or how I always dress like a boy...I just say "This is me. This is who I am. Don't like it? THEN F*** OFF!!!"

[ВАЛТЕР]

Aren't men generally better paid than women in many places?

[#FF0000]

Aren't men generally better paid than women in many places?

p. much

and things that correspond w/ higher pay for men don't correspond w/ higher pay for women.

e.g. being a rude guy in the business world corresponds with lodesomoney

being a rude woman, not so much

[the Left™]

gender

Gender roles are huge. I want to punch my friends when they call me effeminate or when some of my female friends are perceived as "butch" or deviant or whatever. Just because you are a man doesn't mean you have to not be sensitive or caring etc, but this ideology is so pervasive in our culture that even being a civil human being half the time makes you appear to be a pansy. Like I held the door open for someone in a movie theater and a nice group of gentlemen referred to me as a faggot. :bored:

[Princess Luna]

Using discriminatory language would probablily be the most common example of sexism, the vast majority of people in America don't seem to view words like ***** and whore to be sexist


I assume you mean sexism against females right?

Islam is the first thing that springs to mind, forcing women to cover their heads and taking away virtually all their rights.
With the exception of a few nutcases ("http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Daly), sexism against men is non-existent

[brigadista]

I assume you mean sexism against females right?

Islam is the first thing that springs to mind, forcing women to cover their heads and taking away virtually all their rights.

some of the most militant women i know wear hijabs- its not about what you wear

[DarkPast]

In my opinion, many instances of sexism stem from the belief that women aren't capable of taking care of themselves. In other words, women are objectified. This means that men are judged on base of their actions, while women are (usually) judged simply according to their attributes... primarily their femininity.

For an example, take the Smurfs. Let's see... we have a leader smurf, a smart smurf, an artist smurf, a cook smurf... and a female smurf. The male smurfs are defined by their jobs and actions, while the smurfette is defined primarily by her gender.

Chivalry is derived from the idea that "weak" people need help to survive, and aren't really capable of posing a serious threat. But who are these "weak" people? Let's see:
-children
-injured/sick/disabled men
-very old men
-all women
This puts women on the same level as incapacitated men and children - i.e. they need support and aren't really capable of doing something noteworthy, or of harming anyone etc.

Note that our patriarchal society also works against some males. If a man is seen to lack in "action", he will be judged harshly. He will be seen as "womanly" or as an "omega male". In most countries, there's more homeless men than women, and punishment for gays through history tended to be higher than that for lesbians. Of course, this doesn't really mean women are privileged here, since the "leeway" they get stems from the fact that they're seen as inferior.

[Smyg]

This puts women on the same level as incapacitated men and children - i.e. they need support and aren't really capable of doing something noteworthy, or of harming anyone etc.



Historically, women were regarded as essentially children, you know.

[Nox]

You support the burka bans ?

Of course not, if they want to wear them they can wear whatever they want.

What I do have a problem with is the extreme pressure for women to wear them.




>2011
>believing that is an "islam thing" rather than a cultural thing in certain parts of Africa and the Middle East.

Without Islam they wouldn't be wearing them, they are forced/pressured to wear them through their religion.

I can't believe people here are defending Islam, especially on the subject of sexism...




With the exception of a few nutcases (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Daly), sexism against men is non-existent

I wouldn't say non-existant. Women are the victims of sexual discrimination in most cases, however when it involves children or relationships, men are normally discriminated. For example, men have no say whatsoever in abortions and they legally have to pay the mother alot of money to look after the kids regardless of the custody situation. For example, my dad is legally obliged to pay my mum hundreds of pounds every month, even though the custody is shared and equal.

[RedAnarchist]

In my opinion, many instances of sexism stem from the belief that women aren't capable of taking care of themselves. In other words, women are objectified. This means that men are judged on base of their actions, while women are (usually) judged simply according to their attributes... primarily their femininity.

For an example, take the Smurfs. Let's see... we have a leader smurf, a smart smurf, an artist smurf, a cook smurf... and a female smurf. The male smurfs are defined by their jobs and actions, while the smurfette is defined primarily by her gender.

Chivalry is derived from the idea that "weak" people need help to survive, and aren't really capable of posing a serious threat. But who are these "weak" people? Let's see:
-children
-injured/sick/disabled men
-very old men
-all women
This puts women on the same level as incapacitated men and children - i.e. they need support and aren't really capable of doing something noteworthy, or of harming anyone etc.

Note that our patriarchal society also works against some males. If a man is seen to lack in "action", he will be judged harshly. He will be seen as "womanly" or as an "omega male". In most countries, there's more homeless men than women, and punishment for gays through history tended to be higher than that for lesbians. Of course, this doesn't really mean women are privileged here, since the "leeway" they get stems from the fact that they're seen as inferior.

Whilst I agree, chivalry in it's traditional sense was only a privilege of noble/royal women. Peasant women didn't receive the same treatment (and neither did anyone else who wasn't of the royalty or nobility.

[Rottenfruit]

The sexism of hardcore anti-sexism

How should i say it

Anti-sexism is often in my view treating women like a lesser being because they are viewed as weaker people who need protection from a knight in shining armor and to be saved from evil men

Also it often devolops into trivial pointless subjects that are a waste of time that should be used on real problems, rambling about sexism in cartoon's(like the smurfs or disney flicks) made in the 60's at the same time people are homeless and starving is just stupid :)

[#FF0000]

Without Islam they wouldn't be wearing them, they are forced/pressured to wear them through their religion.

I don't think so, actually. With some of these things you might be talking about cultural things that predate Islam. e.g. female circumcision.


I can't believe people here are defending Islam, especially on the subject of sexism...


It's an abrahamic religion so that means it is hella dumb but lets not criticize it for things that don't have anything to do with it.

[Red Noob]

The belief that men have the duty to intrude on a women's independence because they are so 'frail and weak' (E.g. Holding doors all the time, men insisting to pay for a meal and so on. Where simple acts of kindness are instead filled with pride)

I do these things all the time, it's respectful, you're simply over analyzing it.

[Red Noob]

>2011
>believing that is an "islam thing" rather than a cultural thing in certain parts of Africa and the Middle East.

>talk in greentext like on 4Chan
>expect RevLeft to understand or take you seriously
>I do agree, but you can't deny that countries where Islam is the dominant religion has extreme sexism and inequality, influence by Islamic culture.

[leemadison11]

Sexism goes both ways and i am talking about men being imposed on to the role of bread earner while women are imposed on to the role of house maker. It has been put on from generation to the extent that people have started accepting their fate. I had many breaks ups not because i was against women working, but because i was against women stop working and planning to stay at home cause that's the way they are naturally created to be. That's bullshit and i am not taking this shit, if women get maternity benefit (i know physical hardship is harsh during this time) for having a baby and taking care of their baby, i think men should be also given benefits for taking care of his family, working day and night to run his house, tolerate continuous mood swings and all during that pregnancy of the women, taking care of the kid, planning all the time for the family and sacrificing your own personal interest for family (that's being mature for women).

[sulla]

Gender roles. Rape culture. The difference in pay between men and women. Etc.



can't speak for Nox but I'd say he shouldn't. Let women wear what they want. v:mellow:v



>2011
>believing that is an "islam thing" rather than a cultural thing in certain parts of Africa and the Middle East.

Rape culture? I need some things explaning to me. What does rape culture mean?

Rape culture sounds too broad to me. You say it is a common example of sexism, you have to define it to me. How do you see rape culture everyday? Crappy legal system aside, I am not sure how rape culture applies to most first world countries.

[DarkPast]

Whilst I agree, chivalry in it's traditional sense was only a privilege of noble/royal women. Peasant women didn't receive the same treatment (and neither did anyone else who wasn't of the royalty or nobility.

Mostly yes. The idea of "courtly love" certainly applied only to noblewomen. However, most chivalric codes included elements of mercy, charity and the protection of the weak. Basically, the code tried to protect non-combatants (regardless of class - though not religion!) and reduce "collateral damage" - and women were never considered combatants. Now that's the code... how knights really behaved is a different matter.


Also it often devolops into trivial pointless subjects that are a waste of time that should be used on real problems, rambling about sexism in cartoon's(like the smurfs or disney flicks) made in the 60's at the same time people are homeless and starving is just stupid :)

You see the problem here is that while it may look ridiculous to argue about cartoons, the reality is that these cartoons were a significant part of many people's childhood. They constantly reinforced certain stereotypes - and children are particularly vulnerable to such subtle brainwashing.

Think about it - even innocent stuff like children's toys can teach gender stereotypes. For example, girls get dolls, while boys get action figures. Boys aren't play with dolls, after all! (also notice the word "action" - once again, men are expected to act, while women just are).

Gender is - for the most part - a social construct that's continuously reinforced through people's entire lives, beginning from early childhood.

[Red Rosa]

I don't think so, actually. With some of these things you might be talking about cultural things that predate Islam. e.g. female circumcision.

No, that was Mohamed's "invention". And even if it wasn't, muslim women (especially in Middle East) are very much aware of the reason they cover themselves up, there isn't any cultural confusion about it or anything else.