US Deploys Aircraft Carrier to Syrian Coast

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US Deploys Aircraft Carrier to Syrian Coast


There was no official explanation for why the US would deploy the carrier there, but it comes amid growing speculation that NATO-ally Turkey is poised to launch an invasion of Syria (http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/11/23/idINIndia-60697420111123), and the possibility that a US-backed regime change may be in the offing.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/11/23/us-deploys-aircraft-carrier-to-syrian-coast/

[marl]

I doubt we'll invade Syria (not enough oil). The Ba'athist regime sucks, but an imperalist invasion or sanctions is not the answer as they'd ultimately hurt Syrians more than the regime.

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I doubt there will be a US invasion. However a Turkish one seems possible, with the US serving to give air support to Turkish units.

[marl]

Turkey, being in NATO and all, would probably drag some others in, but not the US I think.

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Turkey, being in NATO and all, would probably drag some others in, but not the US I think.

I think the US is willing to bomb anybody really. There is profit in the reconstruction process. Nobody else for Turkey to drag into it other than the US. The US is the one pushing the call for action in Syria, along with England.

[Rainsborough]

Not sure if America would get involved, at least not openly, but I'm sure Britain would go for it. After all Cameron probably fancies the mantle of war leader in the vein of Churchil Thatcher and Blair.

[Nox]

Can some explain why there is friction between Syria and Turkey? Why does Turkey want to invade them?

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Can some explain why there is friction between Syria and Turkey? Why does Turkey want to invade them?

Syria needs to fall so that Iran can be attacked. So long as Syria stands, Iran can strike back at Israel by utilizing Hezbollah through Syria. Therefore, prior to attacking Iran, Syria either has to fall, or be destabilized to the point of being useless. In this way they ensure that Israel is safe. There isn't tension with Turkey, as much as it is tension with NATO. Syria is the key to Iranian counterattacks on Israel, if Syria is out of commission Israel does not have to worry about Iran arming and utilizing Hezbollah through Syria...

This is at least my interpretation of it. I mean I may be over thinking it. However as much time as I have spent studying battle strategies, from my eyes this seems like a logical move by NATO command. A move which can lessen the backlash from Hezbollah.

[piet11111]

That and the threat of Assad losing his position as president would mean that the next leader will be far less likely to be so cooperative to Israeli interests.

Assad has not done anything to get back the land the Israeli's took or even lifted a finger to aid the Palestinians.
The next president would probably face a population that is intent on helping the Palestinians and maybe even get back the Golan Heights.

Its not Assad that the West fears but what the Syrian population will do once he is gone.
This is why Syria matters.

[danyboy27]

If someone attack syria, iran will step in, same would go for the opposite.

The iranian governement is constructing a military complex in Syria and both side have a military agreement for both mutual protection and arm trade.
Attacking either Syria or Iran would result in a war on 2 fronts.

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If someone attack syria, iran will step in, same would go for the opposite.

The iranian governement is constructing a military complex in Syria and both side have a military agreement for both mutual protection and arm trade.
Attacking either Syria or Iran would result in a war on 2 fronts.


That is why they are destabilizing it. Hoping to have a "controlled demolition" they want Assad to fall, but they also want a pro-western government to replace it. Actual military intervention is possible. Especially if they manage to turn the populace onto their side.

They want the cake and to eat it too.

[danyboy27]

the Syrian governement is still in control last time i checked.

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the Syrian governement is still in control last time i checked.

It is for now, yes.

[Agathor]

Intervention isn't in the cards. It was in Libya because there were ground forces: the NTC and the National Liberation Army. There are some rebellious units in Syria, but not nearly enough to fight the Syrian Military, which the 11th largest in the world, with almost twice the amount of available troops as Britain. And unlike Iraq and Libya, Syria isn't isolated. It has powerful allies, and they will join them in a war, especially against the great satan. Most of the resources of the US are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. Syria is an extraordinarily militarized country; the US would have a tough fight if they had all of their resources available.

It's not going to happen. I will get on webcam and eat my cutlery drawer if it does.

Also, you should check the two articles that Ditz linked to as evidence that Turkey is considering an invasion. One had no relevance at all, and the other was a statement that Turkey would be prepared to cross into Syria to attack the PKK if Assad allowed them to use Syrian land as bases of operations, which is a long way from war with Syria.

Antiwar.com can be useful, but It's always sensible to cross-check their articles with their sources: they are often alarmist.

[marl]

Syria needs to fall so that Iran can be attacked. So long as Syria stands, Iran can strike back at Israel by utilizing Hezbollah through Syria. Therefore, prior to attacking Iran, Syria either has to fall, or be destabilized to the point of being useless. In this way they ensure that Israel is safe. There isn't tension with Turkey, as much as it is tension with NATO. Syria is the key to Iranian counterattacks on Israel, if Syria is out of commission Israel does not have to worry about Iran arming and utilizing Hezbollah through Syria...

This is at least my interpretation of it. I mean I may be over thinking it. However as much time as I have spent studying battle strategies, from my eyes this seems like a logical move by NATO command. A move which can lessen the backlash from Hezbollah.
I'd imagine it would go something like this:



Israel declares war on Iran
Hezbollah joins in
Israel sends troops to "stabilize their region" of the Golan Heights and assert dominance in South Lebanon
Syria, practically in a civil war, can't respond and come to the aid of Iran, especially in a hypothetical war with Turkey, so Israel is able to freely attack Iran by sending troops through Golan and Syria under the nose of the divided Syrian Army (Free Syrian Army-Syrian Army conflict)
US joins in for oil

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I'd imagine it would go something like this:



Israel declares war on Iran

Israel Isn't going to war with Iran without American military support. The two are attached at the hip. Without American backing they lose.



Hezbollah joins in

Hezbollah is going to fight alongside Iran no question.


Israel sends troops to "stabilize their region" of the Golan Heights and assert dominance in South Lebanon

They will do that without a doubt should any conflict arise.



Syria, practically in a civil war, can't respond and come to the aid of Iran, especially in a hypothetical war with Turkey, so Israel is able to freely attack Iran by sending troops through Golan and Syria under the nose of the divided Syrian Army (Free Syrian Army-Syrian Army conflict)

Syria is at civil war, however one thing that the people will support is mobilization against Israel to defend Iran.

Turkey probably won't go into Syria with it's own army, it has actually been taking in Syrians who are anti-Assad and training them and will probably unleash them once the time comes. The Turkish people would not support a war against a Muslim nation in defense of Israel.

What they want in Syria is what they have in Libya. Complete destabilization. They want total mayhem where militias are killing each other, and no government can be established to lead them in any particular direction. Look what NATO did in Libya. They destroyed the country by supporting these militias and then turned their back after. They want destabilization to the point of Anarchy (Not real anarchy, but I didn't know what other term to use. Whatever you guys get the point lol)

One thing plays an important role in all of this. That is what actions the Russians and Chinese will take to prevent Syria from falling. The Russians aren't going to allow a NATO led bombing campaign like they did in Libya because they have assets in Syria. They have a Naval base there and they can't afford to lose their position there.





US joins in for oil

US is all in from the beginning. Israel goes to war with Iran, the US is right behind it. Iran is a big nation, with a large and modern military.

Whatever happens, a shitstorm is a-brewin definitely.