My coworkers make me doubt worker's democracy sometimes

[Blackscare]

Seriously these people couldn't cooperate themselves out of a wet paper bag :cursing:

[dodger]

Seriously these people couldn't cooperate themselves out of a wet paper bag :cursing:

That's because you ain't got any answers....neither have I. Time to make your surroundings a little better. Start off with small improvements get a sense of what is important to everyone. If there is a Union ...join...be active in it's affairs . Encourage others to join. Enjoy an outing...a live performance usually uplifts even if crap you can enjoy slagging it off together. It's where we are 8hrs a day. Time for some guerilla warfare! Whatever the level ...that's where you and they are, proceed. Yer can't make things any worse.....get some small victories under your belts.............JEEZ, I thought America was the home of POSITIVE THINKING...Carnegie and all that tosh. Maybe you should all visit an urban Shaman.....BRING DRUMS TO WORK....GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR INNER WARRIOR....BUM-BUM-BUM......BUM-BUM-BUM.....bumbum

Bosses seize our surplus value.....we KILL bosses......BUM-BUM-BUM !

See I told you I ain't got any answers.........................:crying:

[Smyg]

I know the feeling, my cohumans make me doubt humanity sometimes. :rolleyes:

[xub3rn00dlex]

I feel the same way sometimes, but in my experience it has more to do with race( even subtly ) than actual management abilities. I've actually become more convinced the workers can run the place democratically, and their increasingly becoming aware of it too on the site I work on. There are those few people however, who make me seriously doubt this, and would be quite worried about giving them any power what so ever.

[dodger]

I feel the same way sometimes, but in my experience it has more to do with race( even subtly ) than actual management abilities. I've actually become more convinced the workers can run the place democratically, and their increasingly becoming aware of it too on the site I work on. There are those few people however, who make me seriously doubt this, and would be quite worried about giving them any power what so ever.

The very fact that you are even contemplating...thinking the unthinkable...proof positive this system has had its day. Any system contemplated will be limited by our confidence in our class, our self and a lack of understanding of how truly appalling our present system is. We wish to be productive to have control over our life, yet, day by day the chance to be moving forward or up in our chosen field is denied. There are a lot of idle minds out there...even fully occupied we use little more than 10% of our brains capacity. Capitalists are no more in control than we are, finance capital and the market has put paid to that. I do so agree with your point about giving power to certain people. The ready answer must be ,then don't. Old capitalist society is unequal society and the gap is widening by the day. My belief that we could run production without capital is growing by the day. The great pity is my not waking up to that fact much earlier. OK , I SURVIVED 3 RECESSIONS UNSCATHED, NO MEAN FEAT. All that energy , personal and collective would not have been prostituted if I had not attempted to live within the system. But worked wholeheartedly to overthrow it. Yours is the big picture....you are at the place that matters,,,,if other embrace that simple truth....then we shall see some fireworks.

Note that race is an issue, vile, my late wife was a brown belt in TAE-KWONDO and a black belt, 4th Dan in one liners she also earned the respect of co workers by her industry. No need to ask who wore the trousers in our house!! The only chink in her armour was to support the West Indies cricket team, with such passion. 'bout only time I could get one over on her......when they lost...which was frequent.

[Blackscare]

I nominate dodger for admin. Malte?

[dodger]

I nominate dodger for admin. Malte?

I could not even admin my way out of a wet soggy paper bag!!!!!!!

[Blackscare]

That's exactly the sort of self-effacing humbleness that we need in an admin.

Hail to general secretary dodger!

[dodger]

MY false humility is starting to crumble already...........!!!!!

GEN. SEC. ....HUMMM!....DI I GET A UNIFORM???

[RedAnarchist]

There are a lot of idle minds out there...even fully occupied we use little more than 10% of our brains capacity.

Sorry to derail, but this is a myth. We actually use all of our brain's capacity, which makes those idle minds even idler.

[Susurrus]

Sorry to derail, but this is a myth. We actually use all of our brain's capacity, which makes those idle minds even idler.

Well, to be entirely accurate, we don't use our entire brain all the time, but activity across the brain covers various areas at various times, so all of our brain is used at one time or another.

[xub3rn00dlex]

Who cares if we use it fully or not ( But I appreciate the clarification!) The point is that certain coworkers are unsuitable to have a voice until they have been rehabilitated in regards to racism, sexism, and domination methods. I fear giving them a voice would lead to intimidation.