Salaam

[Islamic Socialist]

Greetings from an Islamic Socialist!

[Yazman]

Greetings! The compatibility of Islam and revolutionary left ideas is something that is a topic of interest for me, particularly as it's something I don't know much about.

[rundontwalk]

hi

[Islamic Socialist]

Greetings! The compatibility of Islam and revolutionary left ideas is something that is a topic of interest for me, particularly as it's something I don't know much about.

Socialism and Islam are certainly compatible, Abu Dharr al-Ghifari was perhaps the first Islamic Socialist who wanted to redistribute the wealth among the Caliph equally among all of those within it as he had recognized that it belonged to everyone at not just the few. Islamic Socialism in the modern age was born out of the October Revolution when Muslims began to form experimental communities that would seek to combine the cultural values of Islam and devotion to Allah together with the great devotion to the people. Muslim communities such as the Wäisi movement were left generally autonomous from the rest of the Soviet Union and lasted until the Stalin's purges which uprooted Muslims from their rightful communities. The MEK too was a revolutionary Islamist group that combined the devotion of Allah with Marxism until it was hijacked by reactionaries and abandoned the proletariat.

[IndependentCitizen]

Welcome comrade, I shall be interested in reading your views on Islamic Socialism, and analysis particularly of the Arab revolutions.

[Nox]

I must admit, I don't know alot about Islam - although I do appreciate its internationalism.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Welcome to the forum!

[Red Rabbit]

Welcome, Comrade! I look forward to seeing your posts in the future, and hopefully you can teach myself (and others) about Islamic Socialism as it's been a relatively new interest of mine.

[Yazman]

Socialism and Islam are certainly compatible, Abu Dharr al-Ghifari was perhaps the first Islamic Socialist who wanted to redistribute the wealth among the Caliph equally among all of those within it as he had recognized that it belonged to everyone at not just the few. Islamic Socialism in the modern age was born out of the October Revolution when Muslims began to form experimental communities that would seek to combine the cultural values of Islam and devotion to Allah together with the great devotion to the people. Muslim communities such as the Wäisi movement were left generally autonomous from the rest of the Soviet Union and lasted until the Stalin's purges which uprooted Muslims from their rightful communities. The MEK too was a revolutionary Islamist group that combined the devotion of Allah with Marxism until it was hijacked by reactionaries and abandoned the proletariat.

Double fascinating - so there were autonomous Islamic socialist communities within the Soviet Union pre-Stalin? I never knew about that. I would absolutely love to learn more about those.

[OHumanista]

Welcome though I disagree with you:)

[Rafiq]

Double fascinating - so there were autonomous Islamic socialist communities within the Soviet Union pre-Stalin? I never knew about that. I would absolutely love to learn more about those.

They weren't uprooted because Stalin was a bad guy, they were purged because they were, in nature reactionary and stood in the way of economic and cultural progress of those countries.

Take for example, Sultan Galiev, who was purged not because he was a Muslim, but because he represented the interests of the Muslim bourgeoisie and wad an apoligist for their terrible crimes

As for the OP, Islamic law and socialism are incompatible, though it is possible to be a muslim and a socialist at the same time. Just keep in mind we are a secular movement.


Also I'vd read back in the day about that Al Gharri (idk how to spell, tapatalk) guy and I might be related to him some how :D

[Die Rote Fahne]

Asalaam alaikum comrade!

I hope I said that right!:blushing:

[The CPSU Chairman]

As-salaamu alaykum! I'm new here too and nobody knows me yet. lol.

The MEK was an Islamic Socialist group? I know they've paid lip-service to Socialism, but I thought they were always anti-religion from the start. It seems to me they were opposed to Khomeini from the beginning because of the Islamic nature the Iranian Revolution took. They even fought for Saddam against Iran in the 80s.

Afghanistan under Karmal and Najibullah attempted a sort of Islamic Socialism, right? I think South Yemen and Somalia did too. I don't know much about it though.

Interesting about Soviet Muslim communities. I'd never heard about it before. Anywhere I could learn more about them and how they functioned?

[MooseCracker]

Greetings Islamic Socialist! مرحبا

Don't you agree that the 1st Islamic socialist community was really the original ummah under the prophet and continuing with Rashidun caliphs (at least until Uthman Ibn Affan)? The community under the constitution of Medina allowed for aspects of people's (almost direct) democracy as well as democratic centralism, and egalitarianism (yes at the time that included Jews and pagans within the ummah) including redistribution of wealth with gains distributed to the poorest first. i may be evil to say it but in my view Uthman Ibn Affan really spoiled things by essentially being more imperialist/ capitalist leaning.


i'm not Muslim and typically believe that the natural pyramid structure of religion doesn't allow for true egalitarianism or socialism... and can easily be exploited to create injustice.
i can certainly see the potential democratic, egalitarian, even communistic roots within Islam (there is basis for it within the Haditha) but currently the major streams of Islam - from 12ers on the Shi'a side to Wahabists on the Sunni side and everything in between - tend to be at odds with that, favouring the pyramid type system i mention. i don't know if a greeting is the right place for it but do you think you can speak to that Islamic Socialist? What denominations of Islam do you see as being most inclined towards socialism and how did you come to choose it?