Proletariat?

[safeduck]

Can you examine this list and tell me if any of these are in the Proletariat?

Lawyer
Doctor
Nurse
Judge
Soldier

[CAleftist]

Lawyers and doctors: generally some form of bourgeois or petty-bourgeois, but that's because they tend to be partners in a practice, rather than solely selling their labor power for a wage.

Nurses: more likely to be proletariat than doctors and lawyers, I suspect.

Judges and soldiers are both parts of different aspects of the state apparatus. So they aren't really "proletariat."

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I think doctors, at least in the UK and other nationalised health services, can occupy a variety of positions in the social scale; it all depends on how entrenched within the system they have become. Those at the bottom of the ladder are generally simply there to perform a service to those who need them and recieve a wage in return whereas those at the top partake in enough administrative power to dictate the wages and work practices to those below and profit from that labour.

[OhYesIdid]

GiantMonkeyMan is right, and this can sometimes apply in non-public health enterprises, like labs or major hospitals.
Judges are motherfuckers, fuck them in their stupid blowholes. Yes, I'm profound.
Soldiers are in a similar situation as medics, as officers are motherfuckers from West Point or some shit but the foot soldiers are the ones who make an army's strength. In this way they are known as "workers in uniforms" as they make a sort of wealth (strength) whose surplus benefits a boss (officers).

[Aurora]

Lawyers are generally considered petit-bourgeois as a lot of them are partners in a practice i.e they work but also own capital. Although apparently as with a lot of occupations there is a trend towards lawyers becoming proletarianised with more lawyers becoming legal secretaries and selling their labour to large films.

The same goes for doctors really, historically doctors all owned small practices so they were petit-bourgeois but in a lot of places doctors have a lot of debt and can only go into private practice later on in their careers after they are fully trained.

Nurses are proletarian they sell their labour for a wage.

Judges are usually at the very high end of public service earning large amounts of money and administering capitalist law so their not going to be flooding to the proletariat anytime soon which doesn't really matter as theres very few of them.

Soldiers vary quite a bit, with the ordinary soldier being capable of being won over to the proletariat while officers generally line up behind capitalism. Conscription tends to proletarianise the army leading to the lower sections having the capability to become more radical.

[LuckyStrikes]

What you really have to look at is the conditions which they work. Nurses, for example, generally sell their labor to a hospital or doctor's office. At the same time, any nurse can start a business that buys other nurse's labor to exploit them. In the latter case you have a proletarian, the former would be a petty bourgeoisie. So, do not stereotype any group simply by the career they hold, instead look at their social, and material, conditions.