Money - The downfall of man?

[Bloodwerk]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I came to a simple conclusion that money and greed are the downfall of man.
And in today's world, everything is about money. The whole point of your existance is to get a job, make money, and work till you die.
Anyone else that agrees on this?
I'm not the brightest bulb when it comes to these things, but reading leftist literature for almost a year now really made me think and for these kinds of struggles.
In my opinion, a state-less, class-less society without currency is a perfect one, and it will finally allow us to focus on our inner selves, our personal struggles and the human spirit.

[Meridian]

I think you are preaching to the choir.

The 'point of existence' is rather the participation as a member of society, which in itself is an interesting idea. You often hear about people's so-called failure as members of society, failing to contribute to society and so on. What they are speaking about is a failure to participate and sell yourself as a worker, or perhaps to do so beyond a particular form, but there are also social factors involved. It's common to say that a person is a "loser" or "winner" and variants thereof; as a general theme you can easily see economical status reflected in social status and vice versa although the two are not always connected.

[xub3rn00dlex]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I came to a simple conclusion that money and greed are the downfall of man.
Greed and money would be considered the downfall of man because the ruling class portrays this image of that being the most important goal in life.
We aren't inherently greedy, we are conditioned to be ruthless in our pursuit of wealth.


And in today's world, everything is about money. The whole point of your existance is to get a job, make money, and work till you die.


That is the existence of a proletarian, not a bourgeoisie. This is the spoon fed bullshit we are lectured on ever since we are able to comprehend - work hard, and you'll be just like the elites... only you will never achieve their status. They like their exclusivity, it adds to their megalomania. It feeds them. It drives them. They won't give it up, ever.

[Inner Peace]

i was thinking about society without money quite often. And i think:

Money this is the key of corruption ( i knew a friend he own(ed) and woodworking industry it was quite success full until the crises the company "collapses" but on his luck some bought that industry for big big money and jonh (previous director) (im going to call him john ) got allot of money. So it started with eas he started to bought cars big cars he builtet two houses,he got divorced with his wife and re-married with an young girl,... ok nothing speacle and now he got an job as an owner of an big hotel in our city and now he got even more money and he started to spend more and more money he totally changed i dont even recognize him any more he became and spending capitalistic whore.

Ok now i went way off topic

Now about money less world.

why dont we make an sociaty when we work for food you cant get corrupted by food and you cant buy other poeple if you work alot you get alot of food if you dont work you dont get nothing. For buying other things:If you want to buy a car You'll will borrowed it.
you borrow the car only to go from place A to place B,... why do you need to own it?

mah you know what i got realy tired of writing if you want to talk about this add me on skype i can tell you more ther

Skype: peaceof.mind

[Rafiq]

There is no "key to corruption, as things like currency have existed before, and "Greed" as well (How ridiculous).

Perhaps a systemic failure can lead to the "Downfall of 'man'", but you must realize things like "Greed" are a a result of conditions, not a cause of them.

These things you mention are all reflections of material conditions set forth by the capitalist mode of production.

[FUSRODAH]

Agreed on the idea of making a society with no currency, just possessions. Everyone gets somewhat of a choice on the food they consume and other possessions one would use such as a chess board to use as a form of a hobby, or something along those lines.

[ijrjrnz]

I think money is the root of evil in this world.

[brawler5k2]

I think money is the root of evil in this world.
I don't think that there's a single root of all evil, but rather roots that could lead to evil. Not every crime or belligerent act is done on the basis of monetary gain after all (e.g., rape, some murders, etc.). Now, the precedent to that act could have monetary gains, but money troubles doesn't always correlate to every crime either.

@OP: That's an interesting idea, but I wonder if it's more of how we think of money than money itself. In other words, if it's more of the incentives that capitalism gives (i.e., growth over sustainability) than the fact that money exists per se.

[ijrjrnz]

Money corrupts everybody. If the politicians did not go after money so much, there would be lesser corruption everywhere.

[ckaihatsu]

[I wonder] if it's more of how we think of money than money itself. In other words, if it's more of the incentives that capitalism gives (i.e., growth over sustainability) than the fact that money exists per se.


I'd like to point out that money -- taken at "face-value" (heh) -- is just a social instrument that represents material values.

As with everything else socio-political it *is* *how* we structure the usage of it that makes all the difference. Capitalism, for about a century now, has *not* been a growth / progressive dynamic, and so -- even by its own standards -- is *not* socially beneficial on the whole.

And, for the working class in particular the money system is simply an elaborate ruling-class scheme that expropriates every worker's labor value, through profit-taking, as a matter of course.

Theoretically it's a functional improvement over bulky barter-type methods, but here in the digital age all communication is now effortless so any and all arguments based on technical / logistical grounds are automatically bullshit.








In my opinion, a state-less, class-less society without currency is a perfect one, and it will finally allow us to focus on our inner selves, our personal struggles and the human spirit.





Agreed on the idea of making a society with no currency, just possessions. Everyone gets somewhat of a choice on the food they consume and other possessions one would use such as a chess board to use as a form of a hobby, or something along those lines.


Rotation system of work roles

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