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RedZero
19th November 2011, 14:53
this really frustrated and infuriated me...
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They (the police, authorities) are certainly doing a good job of positioning more and more young people against them.

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Krano
19th November 2011, 15:01
Good thing i wasn't there, i have a really short temper i probably would have tried to choke that pig.

Smyg
19th November 2011, 15:12
Police acting like police. Nothing surprises me anymore.

RedZero
19th November 2011, 15:27
Another video:

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tir1944
19th November 2011, 15:29
Why the hell didn't they stand up instead of letting this scumbag pepper-spray them just like that?

Nox
19th November 2011, 15:32
It amazes me that people still think the US government gives a shit about the constitution.

Krano
19th November 2011, 15:34
It's times like these that really make me want to become an Anarchist.

Smyg
19th November 2011, 15:46
Why the hell didn't they stand up instead of letting this scumbag pepper-spray them just like that?

Fear and respect of authorities I'd guess, a fundamental part of why everything is fucked up.

The Douche
19th November 2011, 15:55
It amazes me that people still think the US government gives a shit about the constitution.

The constitution? You mean that document that's hundreds of years old which glorifies private property, racism, and sexism?

Who cares if anybody gives a shit about that or not?



P.S. as much as liberals are whining, these occupations are not constitutional, they are against the law. (the majority of them)

Sinister Cultural Marxist
19th November 2011, 16:10
Why the hell didn't they stand up instead of letting this scumbag pepper-spray them just like that?


Fear and respect of authorities I'd guess, a fundamental part of why everything is fucked up.

Not only that, it's also because protest movements in the US are usually based on nonviolent resistance to police brutality.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_131dsm4xhS8/THhaXBW7RNI/AAAAAAAADPI/H6p9aV9nhoE/s1600/bull_connor.jpg

Do you see those men fighting the fire hoses? It's worked before, in that case during the civil rights movement. It makes it more obvious that the people being brutalized are 100% innocent and the cops are just being colossal dicks. As much as I must respect BPP-style confrontation with the police I understand why the occupy movement isn't taking it up. It changes the narrative from "Police kick the shit out of innocent unarmed students" to "Radical students scuffle with the police". At the least, these kinds of events of pointless brutality to non-resisting individuals will make the population more sympathetic towards more forceful resistance to police brutality in the future.

Also getting in a fistfight with a copper is always risky, they can charge you with assaulting a police officer and can legally go aggro on you with their clubs and firearms if they feel sufficiently "threatened"

The Douche
19th November 2011, 16:21
Not only that, it's also because protest movements in the US are usually based on nonviolent resistance to police brutality.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_131dsm4xhS8/THhaXBW7RNI/AAAAAAAADPI/H6p9aV9nhoE/s1600/bull_connor.jpg

Do you see those men fighting the fire hoses? It's worked before, in that case during the civil rights movement. It makes it more obvious that the people being brutalized are 100% innocent and the cops are just being colossal dicks. As much as I must respect BPP-style confrontation with the police I understand why the occupy movement isn't taking it up. It changes the narrative from "Police kick the shit out of innocent unarmed students" to "Radical students scuffle with the police". At the least, these kinds of events of pointless brutality to non-resisting individuals will make the population more sympathetic towards more forceful resistance to police brutality in the future.

Also getting in a fistfight with a copper is always risky, they can charge you with assaulting a police officer and can legally go aggro on you with their clubs and firearms if they feel sufficiently "threatened"


The civil rights struggle wasn't shaking the foundation of our social relations. And those groups who were challenging capitalism, they were quite a bit more confrontational, and they recieved much harsher treatment from the state (even when still not being violent).


The occupy movement will not accomplish what the civil rights struggle did, it will not accomplish any measureable goals, I don't think. But I think it will lay the base for something to come in the future.

Skammunist
19th November 2011, 16:39
Here is an open letter from Nathan Brown, a faculty member and assistant professor at UC Davis, addressed to the university's chancellor.



I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately.


http://bicyclebarricade.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/open-letter-to-chancellor-linda-p-b-katehi/

Sinister Cultural Marxist
19th November 2011, 17:13
The civil rights struggle wasn't shaking the foundation of our social relations. And those groups who were challenging capitalism, they were quite a bit more confrontational, and they recieved much harsher treatment from the state (even when still not being violent).


The occupy movement will not accomplish what the civil rights struggle did, it will not accomplish any measureable goals, I don't think. But I think it will lay the base for something to come in the future.

:confused: What you said does not change the fact that Occupy Davis students shouldn't be criticized for responding nonviolently to police abuse. By taking pepper spray in the face without raising a fist in anger at the police, they proved to the entire UC student body whose side they are really on, and it showed the entire state of California that the system is more authoritarian than they thought. I'm not a hardline pacifist or anything but there is a real social power in willing martyrdom as the ultimate proof of institutional injustice.

The civil rights movement was changing all social relations relevant to being a black person in America, so that was a revolution in of itself even if one which only pertained to a fairly circumscribed minority. The system bore them into slavery then exploitation and were systematically denied the ability to leave that state, then when cops shot firehoses at them, beat them and called them the most offensive word in the English language, the civil rights movement didn't respond with violence. This might be a "different kind" of movement in many respects but we should still learn from their successes.


Also, it should be said that, AFTER the pepper spray the protesters actually surround the police and chant "shame" and tell the cops to GTFO, which they did, so it's not like the students were passively nonviolent... they remained confrontational in front of police brutality (5:30, 6:30-8:00)

The Douche
19th November 2011, 17:26
The civil rights movement was changing all social relations relevant to being a black person in America, so that was a revolution in of itself even if one which only pertained to a fairly circumscribed minority.

The civil rights movement changed the relationship of black proletarians to the means of production? Yeah... thats what I thought...



I think you have to much faith in the symbolism of innocent people hit with pepper spray. In my experience, people don't really care if college student protesters get sprayed or attacked or whatever.

Nox
19th November 2011, 17:55
The constitution? You mean that document that's hundreds of years old which glorifies private property, racism, and sexism?

Who cares if anybody gives a shit about that or not?



P.S. as much as liberals are whining, these occupations are not constitutional, they are against the law. (the majority of them)

Protestors: Hurrdurrr first amendment, i have rights

Police: Fuck off *pepper spray*

The Douche
19th November 2011, 18:03
Protestors: Hurrdurrr first amendment, i have rights

Police: Fuck off *pepper spray*

Motherfuck a right. Rights discourse absolutely disgusts me.

Rights come from either god (not real) or the state (the enemy) so fuck rights, and fuck framing our discussion around the validation of the state's domination over us.

Furthermore, what "right" do we have to abolish private property?

agnixie
19th November 2011, 22:10
I love when the cops start to fall back tbh.

RedZero
19th November 2011, 23:34
Worth reading this post and all of its updates concerning this event at UC Davis: http://studentactivism.net/2011/11/19/police-brutality-and-lies-at-uc-davis/

Rocky Rococo
20th November 2011, 07:11
Check this out--the Chancellor takes a walk. One of my favorite bands ever, The Slits, had a song with the line "Silence is a rhythm, too!" The Chancellor of UC-Davis got a boombox full of that rhythm tonight:

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Revolution starts with U
20th November 2011, 08:04
wATch the rest of the video guys. They scare the cops off totally peacefully. "We're giving you a chance to take your guns, your friend, and get out of here. Don't return."

Rusty Shackleford
20th November 2011, 08:05
there was recently an attack on a person of color at UC davis with noose and racist graffiti showing up in places on campus about a week ago.

Jose Gracchus
20th November 2011, 20:26
Can "people of color" plz die. Thnx. What's wrong with 'ethnic minority' or 'racial minority'?

RedZero
20th November 2011, 21:37
This is kind of eerie, yet powerful.. the silence!

click: VIDEO: UC Davis Chancellor Kotehi walks to her car, 1,000 students stand aside in silent protest, pepper sprayed student leads peaceful shaming (http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/11/20/video-uc-davis-chancellor-kotehi-walks-to-her-car-1000-students-stand-aside-in-silent-protest-pepper-sprayed-student-leads-peaceful-shaming/)

RedZero
20th November 2011, 22:34
Officers in pepper spray incident put on leave -- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57328362/officers-in-pepper-spray-incident-put-on-leave/

The Douche
20th November 2011, 23:28
Can "people of color" plz die. Thnx. What's wrong with 'ethnic minority' or 'racial minority'?

Some people do resent the implication that they are "minimal".

MattShizzle
21st November 2011, 01:01
This is the contact info for the asshole cop who did it:

Lieutenant John Pike

... Records Unit Manager

Phone: 530-752-3989

Cell: 530-979-0184

[email protected]

Address: 4005 Cowell Blvd, Apt 616. Davis, CA 95618-6017

Skype: japike3

Rusty Shackleford
21st November 2011, 01:03
Can "people of color" plz die. Thnx. What's wrong with 'ethnic minority' or 'racial minority'?
thats how UCD Mecha forwarded it to me.

Jose Gracchus
21st November 2011, 01:28
Some people do resent the implication that they are "minimal".

I am of Mexican descent, and I think white people probably spend a lot more time burning ulcers over the linguistic content of 'minority' than any Hispanic person I've ever met or talked to.

R_P_A_S
21st November 2011, 01:54
do you guys remember San Salvador Atenco?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/americas_mexican_mutiny/html/1.stm

Leftsolidarity
21st November 2011, 02:33
Number to call:
1-530-752-1727

If that number only redirects you, here is the UC Davis's police chief's number. Let him know how you feel too.
Annette M. Spicuzza
UC Davis Police Chief
1-530-752-3113

Leftsolidarity
21st November 2011, 02:34
I talked to a lady on the phone and she said their phone lines and emails are completely swamped. CALL THESE NUMBERS!!!!

KurtFF8
21st November 2011, 04:11
The civil rights movement changed the relationship of black proletarians to the means of production? Yeah... thats what I thought...

Yes, ending segregation was just some reformist bourgeois demand we should scoff at...:confused:

Social relations in the US South (and around the country) were certainly changed. The relations of production were in some sense changed as well, as the racial discrimination element was lessened. And the non-economic reducible element was a real material change for many in the country.

RedZero
21st November 2011, 06:22
However, a law enforcement official who watched the clip called the use of force "fairly standard police procedure."

article: http://news.yahoo.com/outcry-calif-police-pepper-spray-students-094620026.html

The Douche
21st November 2011, 06:32
I am of Mexican descent, and I think white people probably spend a lot more time burning ulcers over the linguistic content of 'minority' than any Hispanic person I've ever met or talked to.

And I am of african and arab descent. (though I identify as white)

But some people do resent the term "minority", I just pointing it out.


Yes, ending segregation was just some reformist bourgeois demand we should scoff at...:confused:

Social relations in the US South (and around the country) were certainly changed. The relations of production were in some sense changed as well, as the racial discrimination element was lessened. And the non-economic reducible element was a real material change for many in the country.

But you do admit, that even though black proletarians made some ground socially, their relationship to the means of production did not change on a fundamental level?

Agent Equality
21st November 2011, 07:37
apparently they got put on leave...

http://news.yahoo.com/officers-pepper-spray-incident-placed-leave-182151195.html

Jose Gracchus
21st November 2011, 07:59
I would say re. the Civil Rights Movement, that it was more of a case of the change of material conditions and relations leading (with some delay) for inexorable demands by black communities for full legal and social integration. The modern CRM came out of the context of the old sharecropper system being finally dissolved by the exigencies of war production and needing a lot of black labor to be freed up from Southern fields as a result (which subsequently touched off a huge wave of black proletarianization and black worker politics, from Port Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster)*, on down; if one notices, this dynamic led to integration within the U.S. armed forces before broader social integration). You get the new black workers who would go on to build things like DRUM originally coming out of the last and largest wave of black migration to major industrial urban centers.

*Port Chicago led directly to the Navy's integration in 1946.

Danielle Ni Dhighe
21st November 2011, 11:22
Why the hell didn't they stand up instead of letting this scumbag pepper-spray them just like that?
Or their fellow protesters rush in to protect them instead of shouting "shame on you" at the police.

Jimmie Higgins
21st November 2011, 13:27
:confused: What you said does not change the fact that Occupy Davis students shouldn't be criticized for responding nonviolently to police abuse. By taking pepper spray in the face without raising a fist in anger at the police, they proved to the entire UC student body whose side they are really on, and it showed the entire state of California that the system is more authoritarian than they thought. I'm not a hardline pacifist or anything but there is a real social power in willing martyrdom as the ultimate proof of institutional injustice.I don't think martyrdom is a very good strategy when we could be on the offense instead, but I totally agree with you that I think people are underestimating these students by criticizing them for not being confrontational.


Also, it should be said that, AFTER the pepper spray the protesters actually surround the police and chant "shame" and tell the cops to GTFO, which they did, so it's not like the students were passively nonviolent... they remained confrontational in front of police brutality (5:30, 6:30-8:00)

Yes, this was not meditation circle, the students were defending their camp and intitally, according to the 2nd video in the OP, they didn't have very large numbers but as they defended their camp they were able to draw in many other students. So they stood their ground and held a sit-in and when they got sprayed, the other students surrounded the police and forced them to retreat - that's pretty damn awesome for a few hundred students. Considering the political consciousness of the students involved (I'm assuming) they did everything right by standing up.

This is a new movement and one of the first to take illegal actions and stand up directly to the police in a while, so it's no surprise to me that some people will be starting from a more naive place or look to early civil-rights strategies at first. But, still, it's a big step from when people really thought that protesting was just "moral witness" to participate in while you waited for MoveOn.org and the Democrats to stop the war or pass some legislation. People seem to have picked up on the fact that you have to confront power and try and organize yourself and so they are starting at a low level, but like cmoney said, it may lay the foundation for more revolutionary and class consciousness/movements in the foreseeable future.


The civil rights movement was changing all social relations relevant to being a black person in America, so that was a revolution in of itself even if one which only pertained to a fairly circumscribed minority. The system bore them into slavery then exploitation and were systematically denied the ability to leave that state, then when cops shot firehoses at them, beat them and called them the most offensive word in the English language, the civil rights movement didn't respond with violence. This might be a "different kind" of movement in many respects but we should still learn from their successes.I'll just say on this that I think Malcolm X was right when he said the "negro revolution" isn't a real revolution. That's not to say the civil rights movement wasn't huge and majorly important. But in regards to non-violence, as I see it one aspect of the early civil rights movement was that the protesters were attacking the rule of an increasingly marginal part of the American ruling class. Modern agriculture began to overtake the old rural model that lasted from the end of the civil war by about WWII, but the old system and rural political power remained because the capitalists could still do business fine and so there was no motivation to challenge the old system. Because of cold-war and imperialist politics, the US did want to make itself viable as "leader of the free world" in the eyes of allies and the 3rd world so the federal government took steps to overturn some of the anti-black laws, but they didn't enforce these reforms. When civil rights activists began protesting and not backing down, they were able to win allies from all walks of life including some sections of the capitalists who either for ideological reasons or just out of convenience supported attempts to change jim-crow laws. The rural ruling class went so far in their attempt to save an antiquated system that they shut down school systems, attacked protesters brutally and encouraged some vigilantism and thereby lost support from even more of the urban capitalists who felt that such disorder was bad for business.

So getting beat up and then coming back was enough to disrupt things enough that sections of the ruling class realized that it was not worth it to help rural elites who were not economically central anymore to the detriment of southern capitalism the system as a whole.

When the movement moved north, the obvious source of racism was not an antiquated semi-caste system from a backwards rural ruling class, it was industrial jobs, rent, inequality, the police... things much more central to the heart of modern capitalism. So where sit-ins and general disruptions were enough to force reforms in the South, it took revolutionary parties, massive urban riots, widespread militancy, to begin to win reforms.

Now we are talking about - just on the level of reforms - taking on finance capital. On a bigger level, taking on neo-liberal capitalism and a world-wide capitalist effort to reduce working class rights and drive down working class living standards. And, of course, ultimately, taking on capitalism itself. But even if we go back to the reform level, taking on finance capital is not a marginal part of modern capitalism like rural southern planters and their provincial banks. So to even see any meaningful reforms we are going to have to build something in the scale of the late 60s black power movements rather than the late 50s and early 60s civil rights movement. Though consiousness is low right now, the good news in my view is that there seems to be a much easier direct line to class politics due to the type of attacks. If people become more militant and political, I think it could easily go more towards militant fights in workplaces or using our power as workers to fight -- at least more readily than in the 1960s when the connection between economic and social struggle was more hidden and separated due to various factors.

KurtFF8
21st November 2011, 15:40
But you do admit, that even though black proletarians made some ground socially, their relationship to the means of production did not change on a fundamental level?

Well yeah, the relationship to the means of the production by the working class in general didn't "fundamentally change," but the Civil Rights movement was primarily to end segregation, and it did that. This was a real tangible gain for black workers in both the South and the North. Once the battle went to the economy and to challenge capitalism, it was violently repressed as we all know.

Also, who owns the means of production is not the only thing we can look at when analyzing movements and trying to judge their success. When the labor movement first took off, it changed the relations of production but did not change the ownership of production, i.e. workers were able to express their power (of course within the same exploitative framework) differently than prior to the movement. That is a tangible change for the working class, although it of course fell short of a full revolutionary success.

The Douche
21st November 2011, 15:44
Well yeah, the relationship to the means of the production by the working class in general didn't "fundamentally change," but the Civil Rights movement was primarily to end segregation, and it did that. This was a real tangible gain for black workers in both the South and the North. Once the battle went to the economy and to challenge capitalism, it was violently repressed as we all know.

Also, who owns the means of production is not the only thing we can look at when analyzing movements and trying to judge their success. When the labor movement first took off, it changed the relations of production but did not change the ownership of production, i.e. workers were able to express their power (of course within the same exploitative framework) differently than prior to the movement. That is a tangible change for the working class, although it of course fell short of a full revolutionary success.


I think you're misunderstanding why I brought up the issue of control of the means of production.

I did not say the CRM was for some reason "unsuccessful", it was suggested that the dogmatic non-violence of some in the CRM, and some in the occupy movement, is the right course of action. I disagree, and I pointed out that occupy gets at (or is getting at, or will be getting to getting at) the social relationship of capitalism. And when that is what you're challenging then dogmatic non-violence will not do anything but get lots of people hurt/imprisoned/killed.

KurtFF8
21st November 2011, 15:45
Fair enough

Jose Gracchus
21st November 2011, 19:33
In the end, I think the CRM mostly succeeded in getting black professionals, petty-bourgeois, and the like the formal capacity to join the boy's club. I have trouble when I was visiting certain parts of Chicago, feeling like many blacks did not just get left behind.

Sadly, the CRM ended up being for the likes of Barry Obama, Al Sharpton, Cornel West, and Herman Cain.

RedZero
21st November 2011, 20:25
Massive rally at UC Davis, following police pepper-spray incident -- http://boingboing.net/2011/11/21/massive-rally-at-uc-davis-fol.html

Hard to estimate numbers, but by some accounts, well over a thousand students and supporters are gathered at UC Davis for a rally and Occupy GA right now, following an incident Friday in which a police officer pepper-sprayed peaceful, seated student protesters at point blank range.

Here's a Twitter list to follow (https://twitter.com/#%21/list/MarilynM/davis). Reporter Cory Golden (https://twitter.com/#%21/cory_golden) from the Davis Enterprise (http://www.davisenterprise.com/) is there, as is Doug Sovern (https://twitter.com/#%21/sovernnation) from KCBS radio (http://www.sovernnation.com/).

Above, a photograph by student journalist Ramon Solis (https://twitter.com/#%21/salmonsoir), who has been tirelessly covering the events at UC Davis: a bouquet of carnations, bound together with #OWS tent-poles. You should follow Ramon, too (https://twitter.com/#%21/salmonsoir).

RedZero
21st November 2011, 20:27
http://s1-01.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/452698230.jpg

RedZero
21st November 2011, 20:29
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RedZero
21st November 2011, 20:33
"Not much love for Katehi or UCDPD here today, and it looks like a plurality of students & faculty represented."

http://local.twitpicproxy.com/web25/img/452701062-9485c6f7f809d4034b8876d5535040c7.4ecab4c8-scaled.jpg

RedZero
21st November 2011, 20:34
University of California-Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi says she won't resign despite outrage over her handling of campus officers' blasting pepper spray into the faces of students protesting Friday in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

"I really feel confident at this point the university needs me," Katehi said today on "Good Morning America." "There are so many critical issues to be addressed and we really need to start the healing process and move forward."

Full story and video here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/uc-davis-chancellor-linda-katehi-denies-resignation-university/story?id=14996531#.Tsq1pxfNmJ4

RedZero
21st November 2011, 20:38
In the video at the ABC News link I posted above, she says that they felt trapped...so that's why they used pepper spray. Right, so they pepper spray the group sitting down and not the people standing up. Makes sense!

Rusty Shackleford
22nd November 2011, 05:34
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380381_10150385158177515_226457212514_8180303_1613 242909_n.jpg


sooooooo many people there today. it sounded like a stadium full of people even from a few blocks away all saying the same thing.

Rocky Rococo
22nd November 2011, 09:32
Now that's what i call a General Assembly!

Rusty Shackleford
22nd November 2011, 17:41
yeah, people were even in the trees.

Leftsolidarity
22nd November 2011, 18:46
My teacher showed the video of this happening so I mentioned that I have the phone number to call in.

We stopped class for our entire class to call in and complain.

workersadvocate
22nd November 2011, 19:19
What are leftists in the area doing about it, at this point?
It's not enough to just blow off steam. Please don't pass the buck to the "damage control" liberals that want to take things "back to normal".

How can we expand, deepen, politically advance and further mobilize Occupy efforts---where it needed to go all along, into the working class masses especially---after these recent police attacks on Occupy protests?

Ele'ill
22nd November 2011, 20:33
http://portland.indymedia.org/media/images/2011/11/412538.jpg

bcbm
22nd November 2011, 20:40
i think the point should be made that this is not just an individual aberration, but something all police do everywhere

http://en.trend.az/news_photos/Egypt_Cairo_201111_3.jpg

Ele'ill
22nd November 2011, 20:44
i think the point should be made that this is not just an individual aberration, but something all police do everywhere



And that the police are people who do really disgusting things. When they get off work at the end of the day they are still 'John Pike' who did that horrible thing earlier. We have groups of people living in our cities who hold reactionary occupations.

bcbm
22nd November 2011, 20:53
i'm not saying the individual shouldn't be called out, but the institution should be called out too.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8738/whatkindofmonster.jpg

Ele'ill
22nd November 2011, 20:57
But the libs would say- 'that's the city doing that- they don't want to'. Regardless, the cops are people holding a reactionary occupation. Otherwise the water is comfortably muddied for the libs and they don't have to face anything concrete. I certainly like to know who officers are- as in the previous stuff they've been involved in. I know when I'm lined up with officer polanski that he was previously accused of sexual battery, assault, shooting someone with a beanbag round in the head from less than a foot away. Yeah, they're all capable of it as their occupation requires it but it breaks the spell that 'officers do mostly good' when you start to look at the individuals making up the 'police force'. There's a lot of scum.

workersadvocate
22nd November 2011, 21:35
But the libs would say- 'that's the city doing that- they don't want to'. Regardless, the cops are people holding a reactionary occupation. Otherwise the water is comfortably muddied for the libs and they don't have to face anything concrete. I certainly like to know who officers are- as in the previous stuff they've been involved in. I know when I'm lined up with officer polanski that he was previously accused of sexual battery, assault, shooting someone with a beanbag round in the head from less than a foot away. Yeah, they're all capable of it as their occupation requires it but it breaks the spell that 'officers do mostly good' when you start to look at the individuals making up the 'police force'. There's a lot of scum.

Yes, we have to break the whole "it's just bad apples, most cops are good people" smokescreen, and state that this is the real nature of the police occupation.

RedZero
22nd November 2011, 22:35
Great video:

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Rusty Shackleford
23rd November 2011, 06:18
What are leftists in the area doing about it, at this point?
It's not enough to just blow off steam. Please don't pass the buck to the "damage control" liberals that want to take things "back to normal".

How can we expand, deepen, politically advance and further mobilize Occupy efforts---where it needed to go all along, into the working class masses especially---after these recent police attacks on Occupy protests?
after i ran out of party material to pass out (8 myths of socialism and their answers) i handed out a hundred or so leaflets calling for a general strike on the 28th within about an hour. i was not there for long because i had other organizing to do that day but yeah. When i ran out of my own material i basically helped out other non-organizations do stuff. thats what we should all do.

RedZero
23rd November 2011, 07:34
after i ran out of party material to pass out (8 myths of socialism and their answers)

Is this the piece of material you're referring to? --> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.pslweb.org%2Fsite%2FDocServe r%2F8myths.pdf%3FdocID%3D4321&ei=0aDMTob8Gcm_tgeuyvykAw&usg=AFQjCNED-cCsflrslpmuWTXeLTJG0qfz_g&sig2=hU484xRRQgQ_H6DSNFET5A

If so, I'm reading it right now and I think it's a great summation. Thinking about printing it off and putting a few up. By the way, do you (or does anyone else) have anymore posters/fliers/leaflets that are worth printing out? Are there any sites out there with a lot of this material, readily printable?

Rusty Shackleford
23rd November 2011, 08:33
yeah. we print it in gray scale. we have access to a good printer so we have them double sided so the font is a bit bigger but all on one page would be just fine too. as far as Liberation and other PSL article and flyer pieces go that are posted on the internet, there is a button 'download as printable flyer'(at the top left hand othe article) that also gives a few editing options like header and all that.

NewLeft
23rd November 2011, 23:48
I would not care if a cop got stabbed.

Leftsolidarity
24th November 2011, 00:34
This has been great. I've been posting all of Lt. Pike's info and the pictures that are in this thread on my facebook and I've gotten tons of more people on our side because of this. They were like "wait, police ACTUALLY do that?" and there is not a single possible excuse for it. I just got off the phone with a buddy who was apathetic, if not a bit hosital, to the Occupy movement. He saw the picture and needed to know more. We talked and now he's like "This shit is so fucked up man, I'm with the occupiers 100% after seeing this shit"

KurtFF8
29th November 2011, 15:16
after i ran out of party material to pass out (8 myths of socialism and their answers) i handed out a hundred or so leaflets calling for a general strike on the 28th within about an hour. i was not there for long because i had other organizing to do that day but yeah. When i ran out of my own material i basically helped out other non-organizations do stuff. thats what we should all do.

Yeah I've done things like this here in NY. When I'm out of my organization's materials, I'll help pass out OWS stuff and all that. For example I was in a train on the 16th with some other folks who were at a planning meeting and we all had some flyers and I was like "everyone in this car should have a flyer!" so handed them all out. It's cool in NYC when you can look to a train car full of folks reading what you just handed out :D