Can You Get Banned From The USA? [Archive]

svenne

19th November 2011, 10:39

Of course you can, but it's gonna be pretty hard. If you're active in a revolutionary political organization, but haven't been arrested - it seems to be no problem. Even when you've been arrested for political crimes, you can sometimes still enter, but it will take somewhat longer to get in. There was a TV-show in Sweden a couple of years ago, where a couple of young (as in 20-25 years old) people, from outside the political parties - but still being political -, was out to win 100 000 SEK ($15k) for a political project. A guy from the autonomist left was in the competition (and won, woo) but had to wait a lot longer to get a ok for going to the US, since he had some crimes in his baggage. He got left behind and read Marx Beyond Marx by Negri in swedish state televeision... Well, ehrr, i don't know why i wrote that. But anyway: it's propably harder than you think. I had no problem when i was in the US this summer.

Ernesto Che Makuc

19th November 2011, 10:39

Why the fuck would anyone who isn't already trapped there even want to go to that hellhole?

i dont know to make a revolution?

we were in usa but the only thing that was awesome was the el capitano and hippie street nothing else and we were in america for about 16 days and we saw every thing that you mast see if you are there.

my dad said that if we want to go to america (again) but that i musnt be so active in such forums. Because last time we were there my dad wear an t-shirt of che and we got an fucking black idiotic officer which almost retain us at the border
(my dad needt to throw the che's t-shirt away if we wanted to pass)
so yea american idiots

Tablo

19th November 2011, 10:44

From what I have heard there is certainly immigration issues for some activists. I mean, there are immigration issues for all immigrants.

My two best friends are illegal immigrants. One from Mexico and the other from Korea. My Korean friend has gotten her papers after years of working for it and paying for her lawyer. My Mexican friend is leaving the country in a few months... might not ever see him again, but if I get enough cash I will fly to Mexico City in a heartbeat. :(

Immigration to the US is tough if you are coming from anywhere not European and you're not rich. It's ironic that a country built entirely on immigration would deny people, but that is the reality of a 'white' dominated racist nation. I look forward to 'white' people being a minority in America.

So, yeah. Openly having radical politics only makes things a billion times harder.

hatzel

19th November 2011, 10:52

we got an fucking black idiotic officer

Please tell me I misunderstood what you just said...

W1N5T0N

19th November 2011, 11:14

fuck national borders .

actually, fuck states

agnixie

19th November 2011, 11:54

Actually if you're inside, it's pretty much impossible; they didn't do it with Paul Robeson at the time because the State department realized that keeping him prisoner of the country (he couldn't even go to Canada or Mexico, which at the time had nearly open borders with the US) was a better way to silence him than forcing him to live abroad.

Comrade Gwydion

19th November 2011, 12:00

I know some people who are (have been) denied acces to the USA, although mostly this is about people who were politically active in the 70ies and 80ies, so the Red Scare was a bit bigger back then.

Also, I know a story about a guy that got a letter that he would be denied acces to the USA for ever who put it up in a frame in his living room.

Smyg

19th November 2011, 12:11

Only case of full ban that I know of was the leftist (former leftist? :D) author Jan Gillou being banned from entering the US, due to being in the terrorist archives. What did he do? The IB affair. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IB_affair)

The only other similar case I've come into contact with is a close relative being on India's blacklist, and most likely other countries' as well, due to activism in Amnesty International.

Ernesto Che Makuc

19th November 2011, 12:28

Please tell me I misunderstood what you just said...

we've got an stupid officer

Nothing Human Is Alien

19th November 2011, 13:13

Why the fuck would anyone who isn't already trapped there even want to go to that hellhole?

Yes, because Britain is a socialist paradise on earth.

Get the fuck out of here and take your anti-American Great Europe chauvinism with you.

Nothing Human Is Alien

19th November 2011, 13:15

Another fun fact: If you've ever been convicted of a crime, minor or major, you're banned from entering Canada.

Os Cangaceiros

19th November 2011, 13:25

pretty sure there's a time frame on the Canada thing...one of my parents was convicted of a crime back in the 70's, and we've gone through Canada before. They were more concerned about my dog's papers than they were about our papers. :rolleyes:

The USA forbids some undesirables from entering, though, definitely. The French actress Beatrice Dalle was banned (IIRC) for punching out a meter maid, shoplifting and cocaine convictions. I think the bans been lifted. It's weird that we're less anal about it than the Canadians.

Nothing Human Is Alien

19th November 2011, 13:39

pretty sure there's a time frame on the Canada thing...one of my parents was convicted of a crime back in the 70's, and we've gone through Canada before. They were more concerned about my dog's papers than they were about our papers. :rolleyes:

"If you have committed or been convicted of a criminal offence, you may not be allowed to enter Canada. Criminal offences include both minor and serious offences..." - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/apply-who.asp

"If you are deemed criminally inadmissible by law, at some point you may be considered rehabilitated. If you want to come to Canada, but you have committed or been convicted of a crime outside Canada, you may apply for rehabilitation to enter Canada. You will usually be required to prove that at least five years have passed since the end of any sentence imposed (including any period of parole/probation), and that you have a stable lifestyle, permanent residence, employment, and letters of reference attesting to your good character which would show that further criminal activity is unlikely." - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/faq-inadmissibility.asp

I know a guy whose son booked a once-in-a-lifetime fishing trip in Canada as a birthday gift. When they showed up at the border, with everything in tow, he was denied entry for a drunk driving arrest that was almost 15 years old.

Os Cangaceiros

19th November 2011, 13:43

I was aware of that, thanks to it I'm not allowed to enter Canada anymore. But like I said, they let my criminal family member through the Yukon, so. :closedeyes:

Fuck Canada, though, seriously.

Manic Impressive

19th November 2011, 14:22

Another fun fact: If you've ever been convicted of a crime, minor or major, you're banned from entering Canada.
That's not true as far as I know. I thought that was true of the US? But Canada no, a friend of mine who'd done 15 years accumulatively for various things went to Canada on a working visa he stayed about 9 months. Perhaps things are different for different nationalities?

intowin

19th November 2011, 14:41

If your a member of 32csm you are baaned from the states but not Canada..

Misanthrope

19th November 2011, 15:21

Did this happen to take place in the 1950's?

For the record, most high school teachers are stupid as fuck.

Zealot

19th November 2011, 16:02

Actually they seem more concerned keeping people like that in. There was a guy on youtube who was prevented leaving the USA because of his politics, I think it was over his 6 second video saying "Fuck America".

This guy also talks about how hard it was for him to actually renounce US citizenship
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RadioRaheem84

19th November 2011, 18:50

US propaganda, for the longest time, had me thinking that if I were to ever leave the United States that it would be all over for me. No freedom, no liberty, no real economic opportunities like I have here, etc.

I still have a bit of that fear sometimes due the constant conditioning of US propaganda. Leaving the US is like going into the uknown! LOL

Nox

19th November 2011, 19:48

The USA is a fucking slavery prison camp run by WANKERS

Nox

19th November 2011, 19:54

Manic Impressive

19th November 2011, 19:56

The USA is a fucking slavery prison camp run by WANKERS
Aside from that it's one of the most diverse natural landscapes of any country in the world everything from deserts to tundra the only thing it's missing would be a rain forest. It's also been the largest contributor to culture of the last 100 years, from Jazz and Blues to Rap and Rock music most of it wouldn't be here if it weren't for Americans. I'd love to see some of the places which spawned that creativity and witness the culture of those cities. Just because there's a fucked up government doesn't mean we shouldn't go there. If that was the case none of us would ever travel anywhere.

Rocky Rococo

19th November 2011, 19:59

If you're an American, you're just supposed to go shopping, drive around using your vehicle as a means of bully8ing other drivers and pedestrians, then go home and watch TV. Politics means debating the merits of Neoliberal Warmonger (R) vs. Neoliberal Warmonger (D).

I recall somewhere in his writings about the 1848 uprisings, Marx referred to Russia as being "the black blight of reaction"; that seems to be America's place in the world today.

RadioRaheem84

19th November 2011, 20:27

well then how is it like in the rest of the developed world?

Nothing Human Is Alien

20th November 2011, 02:43

That's not true as far as I know.

Did you read what I just posted in this thread? It's absolutely true.

Again:

"If you have committed or been convicted of a criminal offence, you may not be allowed to enter Canada. Criminal offences include both minor and serious offences..." - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/apply-who.asp (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/apply-who.asp)

"If you are deemed criminally inadmissible by law, at some point you may be considered rehabilitated. If you want to come to Canada, but you have committed or been convicted of a crime outside Canada, you may apply for rehabilitation to enter Canada. You will usually be required to prove that at least five years have passed since the end of any sentence imposed (including any period of parole/probation), and that you have a stable lifestyle, permanent residence, employment, and letters of reference attesting to your good character which would show that further criminal activity is unlikely." - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/f...issibility.asp (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/faq-inadmissibility.asp)

I thought that was true of the US?

Depends on your conviction, country of origin, how you enter, etc. Usually if you are applicable for the visa waver program and you just show up you'll be allowed in without incident. Not always.

But Canada no

Canada yes. See above.

a friend of mine who'd done 15 years accumulatively for various things went to Canada on a working visa he stayed about 9 months. Perhaps things are different for different nationalities?

Perhaps they didn't know. Not all arrest records are linked to some international database. In fact, most aren't. That's why a lot of countries ask for "record of good behavior" or something similar from your local police if you try to get a work visa or the like.

They also could have taken the thing into consideration as a part of considering the visa. He also could have applied for "rehabilitation."

But yeah, in general you'll be bared entry. Spend about 5 seconds searching on google if you don't believe me. Or go to the links I provided, which come from the Canadian government.

WeAreReborn

20th November 2011, 03:19

The USA is a fucking slavery prison camp run by WANKERS
How is that different from the rest of the world?

MarxSchmarx

20th November 2011, 03:56

what is true is that if you want to immigrate to live in america or become an american citizen, you have to assert that you have never been a member of a communist party "or other totalitarian association". If you are already an American citizen then this law does not apply.

They don't automatically deny you entry on that count either - otherwise several soviet, Chinese, cuban etc... people won't be able to migrate to the united states. But it is peculiar in asking that question.

Veovis

20th November 2011, 04:21

The USA is a nice place that's run by assholes.

Magón

20th November 2011, 04:44

the only thing it's missing would be a rain forest.

Actually, the Pacific Northwest of the US is called a Temperate Rainforest, so we even have that. :p Just not a Tropical one.

rundontwalk

20th November 2011, 04:50

Actually, the Pacific Northwest of the US is called a Temperate Rainforest, so we even have that. :p Just not a Tropical one.
Tropical rain forests in Hawaii/Puerto Rico I think.

Magón

20th November 2011, 04:55

Tropical rain forests in Hawaii/Puerto Rico I think.

True. I was just thinking of Mainland US. :blushing:

PhoenixAsh

20th November 2011, 05:07

I was (and currently am still) denied entry into the US under the INA 212 under sections B (but not D...Since I applied with the exclusion clauses). Also note that at that time I was not an immigrant but was entering the US for a work conferance.

Section D, btw, specifically states:

(D) Immigrant membership in totalitarian party.-

(i) In general.-Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.

(ii) Exception for involuntary membership.-Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that the membership or affiliation is or was involuntary, or is or was solely when under 16 years of age, by operation of law, or for purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other essentials of living and whethe r necessary for such purposes.

(iii) Exception for past membership.-Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that-

(I) the membership or affiliation terminated at least-

(aa) 2 years before the date of such application, or

(bb) 5 years before the date of such application, in the case of an alien whose membership or affiliation was with the party controlling the government of a foreign state that is a totalitarian dictatorship as of such date, and

(II) the alien is not a threat to the security of the United States.

http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-2006.html

NewLeft

20th November 2011, 05:24

If you were at say a G20 protest and you smashed some windows and got arrested, then yes, you won't be coming here.

Marxaveli

20th November 2011, 05:27

Danielle Ni Dhighe

20th November 2011, 12:21

I had some trouble getting back into the US once.

GPDP

20th November 2011, 12:29

Undocumented Mexicans like myself get banhammered from the US all the time. We just walk/swim/overstay our visas (that last one's me) back over anyway! :D

Nox

20th November 2011, 13:33

How is that different from the rest of the world?

It isn't :P

I was just saying it specifically about the USA

agnixie

20th November 2011, 13:56

Funny thing, the "other totalitarian party" thing is complete bullshit. Immigration only cares if you were a commie.

PhoenixAsh

20th November 2011, 15:02

You can appeal a bann through your embassy. It is a lengthy and time consuming process. I put in my first appeal this year (9 years after I got marched right back onto a return plane :) ) and I put that in three months ago and it is still on review.

What they do, or at least what has been explained to me by embassy staff, is they contact your countries national security/intelligence service and judicial department to ask for any recent suspicious behaviour, arrests, outstanding warrants, intelligence files (if any), etc. If that returns zero, your appeal can be approved.

Since the reason I got banned was stated under section B and the incident provided in the full report I asked (which is hell on a whole different level....so be prepared to be committed...and know your freedom of information act!!!) took place more than 9 years (I was at that time not a legal adult) before I entered the US and was before the specific organisation was even on the terror watchlist I may get an approval of my appeal....depending on if the consul got his morning coffee on time, got his morning blowjob, or is in a general good mood. If he is not...who knows.

If my normal appeal options are exhausted I will have the final option of taking it to court in the US.

Zav

20th November 2011, 15:32

Not if you are a citizen
No. Emma Goldman was a citizen for thirty years.

It should be

Not if you were born here
because apparently that makes one more equal than the rest of the world.

PhoenixAsh

20th November 2011, 17:35

POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS

Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

Die Rote Fahne

20th November 2011, 17:48

Another fun fact: If you've ever been convicted of a crime, minor or major, you're banned from entering Canada.

George Galloway was banned from Canada as well, based on nothing but anti-Palestinian sentiment from the Harper monarchy.

Hexen

20th November 2011, 21:24

Why the fuck would anyone who isn't already trapped there even want to go to that hellhole?

Actually, the entire world is a hellhole special thanks to capitalism and deformed worker states.

Connolly16ir.net

20th November 2011, 22:12

Well my teacher told me that if you are active on socialistic forums,and that you talk about extreme stuff on that forums you can get banned from USA is this true?

No, not for posting on forums. You can if you are a member of a group designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation (FTO) or if you have been criminally convicted of posting something ''extreme'' on the internet.

I can give you a link in messaging with a list of FTO's if you want, I'd post it here but my post count isn't high enough yet!

MarxSchmarx

21st November 2011, 02:43

Funny thing, the "other totalitarian party" thing is complete bullshit. Immigration only cares if you were a commie.

Originally it was actually sold as an attempt to ban ex-nazis from coming to America. some right winger managed to include "and communists" in it over time.

Originally Posted by psycho http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2299680#post2299680)
Not if you are a citizen No. Emma Goldman was a citizen for thirty years.

Yes, but there are some important caveats.

For naturalized american citizens (as opposed to citizens by birth) citizenship can be revoked retroactively. This has happened when for example people lie on their applications; there were some recent high profile cases of ex-Nazis who had their citizenship revoked.

Moreover, when your citizenship is revoked, any naturalized (i.e., not born as American) relatives who are citizens by virtue of you being a citizen can also have it revoked, although this is almost unheard of today.

Goldman's citizenship depended on her husband's citizenship, and therefore was revoked. Because she declined to challenge it in the courts it is still an open question whether the government really can do this "guilt by association" strategy.

Agent Equality

21st November 2011, 05:05

Originally it was actually sold as an attempt to ban ex-nazis from coming to America. some right winger managed to include "and communists" in it over time.

That right winger you speak of was most likely Senator McCarthy :rolleyes:

Yuppie Grinder

21st November 2011, 05:18