George W. Bush, Trotskyite

[Totalitarian]

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html
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It's just a coincidence that George W. Bush gave a speech announcing that the U.S. was leading a "global democratic revolution" on the eve of Leon Trotsky's birthday, but it is one that neatly illustrates the militant revolutionism at the core of American foreign policy in the post-9/11 era.

The proximity to Trotsky's birthday was fortuitous, but the venue of this revolutionary proclamation was not: it was a speech commemorating the twentieth anniversary of the founding of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the brainchild of neoconservative ideologues, many of whom have their roots on the Trotskyite Left. Having given up the dream of revolutionary socialism for the more practical project of global "democracy," the troublesome little sect of neoconservatives, not so affectionately known as "neocons," is at last having its moment in the sun.

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[Saint-Just]

I think you are damaging the credibility of all conspiracy theories with that one.

[Dhul Fiqar]

LOL - he sure is. Not to mention jettisoning the last of his own fading credibility.

--- G.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

George Bush is obviously a radical Trostskyist looking for an international proletarian revolution everywhere he can get his hands on. That must be what we're doing in Iraq. :lol:

Nice one, lad.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Please.Don't flatter him with that title.

[Edelweiss]

LOL, this is by far the most stupid and paranoid piece of Stalinist crap I have read for a long time, and also the most absurd conspiracy theory I have ever read. First I thought it's a good satire, but this sicko is really serious with it. No surprise that an right-wing idiot like Totalitarian are taking that article serious though.

[Xvall]

Know serious person I know actually thinks that George Bush is a Trotskyite.

[Iepilei]

Maybe we could pull a federalist/anti-federalist movement on the Bush campaign by labeling them something which, by all extents, has been outcasted by the american public. We could claim to be something completely different than what we really are and win over public support by a landslide!

...hell, it's worked in the US before.

[Urban Rubble]

Wow. I am in awe. That is, without a doubt, the stupidest bunch of shit I've ever read.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Update: Hitler was an anarchist!

=D

--- G.

[synthesis]

Obviously the article is utter nonsense, and posts only the flimsiest of logic to prove its point, such as noting that George Bush's speech "style" (?) represents a "1920's socialist orator".

I think that it would be erroneous to label it 'Stalinist'. I believe that it was simply a Randian/Libertarian with an extra dose of paranoia (yes, even more insane than Randians usually are) who decided to label Bush as 'Trotskyite' because the label of 'Bolshevik' and 'Communist' have already been overused to the point that they mean virtually nothing when capitalists hurl them at one another. Therefore, 'Trotskyite' serves to attempt to convince the reader that the author really knows what they're talking about because it's 'specific' - and fails miserably.


America as the leader of a "world movement" – the idea is positively Leninist.

Would a Stalinist really say that? 'Trotskyite' here is just another meaningless pejorative.

[YKTMX]

I hope he is, I'm doubting it though.

[Eastside Revolt]

I wish Trotsky were alive so he could dick-slap these stalinists.

[Totalitarian]

You gotta admit, the talk of "global democratic revolution" and "liberating" other countries by invading them, is very similar to what certain commie leaders have said before.

And many of the 'neocons' used to be self-proclaimed 'Trotskyites'.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 11:50 PM
No surprise that an right-wing idiot like Totalitarian are taking that article serious though.
Just wondered what you commies thought about it, that's all. I don't think Raimondo was being too serious though, cos in his latest column he compares the Americans to Nazis (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html).

btw: The concepts of "right-wing" and "left-wing" is meaningless garbage to me.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by Totalitarian+Nov 13 2003, 07:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Totalitarian @ Nov 13 2003, 07:57 AM)
[email protected] 10 2003, 11:50 PM
No surprise that an right-wing idiot like Totalitarian are taking that article serious though.


btw: The concepts of "right-wing" and "left-wing" is meaningless garbage to me. [/b]
Trying to sound open-minded when you have already told us about how you believe the American propaganda about "black" people, is a tad futile.

Nigga&#33;&#33;

You just need to admit that you&#39;re an extreme-right wing shit, the only reason you won&#39;t is because you have the eyes to see how retarded you&#39;re ideology is&#33;

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by redcanada+Nov 13 2003, 08:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (redcanada @ Nov 13 2003, 08:39 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 07:57 AM

[email protected] 10 2003, 11:50 PM
No surprise that an right-wing idiot like Totalitarian are taking that article serious though.


btw: The concepts of "right-wing" and "left-wing" is meaningless garbage to me.
Trying to sound open-minded when you have already told us about how you believe the American propaganda about "black" people, is a tad futile.

Nigga&#33;&#33;

You just need to admit that you&#39;re an extreme-right wing shit, the only reason you won&#39;t is because you have the eyes to see how retarded you&#39;re ideology is&#33; [/b]
you have already told us about how you believe the American propaganda about "black" people

What propaganda? Back up your statement with evidence.


you&#39;re an extreme-right wing shit...see how retarded you&#39;re ideology is

No, i don&#39;t have an ideology. I have opinions, which constantly change.

[the SovieT]

Originally posted by Dhul [email protected] 11 2003, 03:10 AM
Update: Hitler was an anarchist&#33;

=D

--- G.
you Maoist liar&#33;

he was a democratic Socialist&#33;






anyways Totalitarian, you dont have a ideology? then how come you claim to be communist?
you know communism, even Marxism-Leninism IS a ideology...
the very own fight of the proletariat is a ideology..

or are you simply one of those library rats that like to study politics and philosophy exaustly? (bad spelling i know..)

[El Brujo]

LOL. As much as I agree that Trotskyism is reactionary in nature, calling Bush a Trotskyist is quite a stretch (and a very ridiculous one at that). I am aware that Irving Kristol&#39;s bourgeoisie internationalism was, in part influenced by Trotsky but neo-conservativism has long-since become incorporated into western imperialism. Bush is, by no means a Trotskyite.

[Totalitarian]

THe Soviet:

how come you claim to be communist

I don&#39;t think i made such a claim. Since i&#39;m antiwar, i oppose the idea of "class war" which many communists seem to espouse.

I guess i am a bit of a library rat though.

[RedCeltic]

Totalitarian,

You have your entire argument compleatly screwed up. George W. Bush is no such thing as a Trot. It is Trotsky himself in fact, who wasn&#39;t truly from Russia, but had come from Texas, and was a right wing extremist fundemental Christian, who has been sent to Russia to infiltrate Lenin&#39;s Communist Party.

:P :P :P

[Jesus Christ]

this topic is the stupidest piece of crap ive ever read
wow
everyone here should feel dumber for having checked this topic out

[Anti-Fascist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 09:31 PM
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html
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It&#39;s just a coincidence that George W. Bush gave a speech announcing that the U.S. was leading a "global democratic revolution" on the eve of Leon Trotsky&#39;s birthday, but it is one that neatly illustrates the militant revolutionism at the core of American foreign policy in the post-9/11 era.

The proximity to Trotsky&#39;s birthday was fortuitous, but the venue of this revolutionary proclamation was not: it was a speech commemorating the twentieth anniversary of the founding of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the brainchild of neoconservative ideologues, many of whom have their roots on the Trotskyite Left. Having given up the dream of revolutionary socialism for the more practical project of global "democracy," the troublesome little sect of neoconservatives, not so affectionately known as "neocons," is at last having its moment in the sun.

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This article is obviously written by a madman...

But with that said, Trotsky was by no means a
leftist.