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JimN
15th November 2011, 11:01
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Debate between Bill Martin of The Socialist Party of Great Britain and John Gray (Labour Party activist and blogger - http://grayee.blogspot.com/ (http://grayee.blogspot.com/))

Thursday, November 17, 2011, 7:30pm

Resource for London (The Dome Room), 356 Holloway Road, London N7 6PA

Free entry

All welcome

Lively audience participation anticipated.

Full details of this and all SPGB meetings can be found here:
http://www.meetup.com/The-Socialist-Party-of-Great-Britain/events/37112562/ (http://www.meetup.com/The-Socialist-Party-of-Great-Britain/events/37112562/)
pastradamus
15th November 2011, 19:21
Absolutely not. Labour has absolutely no concern for the average working person. The "neo-idealist" left as Blair called them. A bunch of right-wingers with good acting lessons.
JimN
15th November 2011, 20:08
They are earnest, but only from the teeth outwards.
El Louton
15th November 2011, 20:19
Absolutely not. Labour has absolutely no concern for the average working person. The "neo-idealist" left as Blair called them. A bunch of right-wingers with good acting lessons.

That's very true but we could change that.;)
SocialistTommy
15th November 2011, 20:21
Labour party ? them middle class wannabe bastards ? Never.
El Louton
15th November 2011, 20:37
Labour party ? them middle class wannabe bastards ? Never.

It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.
JimN
15th November 2011, 20:40
It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.

So they're traitors then?
SocialistTommy
15th November 2011, 20:40
It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.

Yes, that is what I meant, I should have stated 'new labour' are middle class.
Other working class heroes, such as Nye Bevan, creator of the NHS (who my grandfather was actually quite lucky to see speak at a conference) are one of the many heroes who were a part of the labour movement when they had socialist principles.
Lanky Wanker
16th November 2011, 01:13
Absolutely not. Labour has absolutely no concern for the average working person. The "neo-idealist" left as Blair called them. A bunch of right-wingers with good acting lessons.

LOL there's no such thing as a politician who can act well. They all look and sound as phony as a human being could without turning themselves into a comedian. It would be less painful and much quicker if they just admitted they're lying instead of making me cringe with their awful, fake personalities and avoiding questions. Tony Blair is somewhere at the top of the list...
Burkland
16th November 2011, 02:18
No, it is a fake labour party. Blair supported the Iraq War. A revolution could happen within the party yet the leadership aren't to be admired.
hatzel
16th November 2011, 10:13
The trade unions would probably do well to cosy up the the Labour Party; both have roughly the same revolutionary potential.

Oh yeah, I went there...
pastradamus
18th November 2011, 16:14
The trade unions would probably do well to cosy up the the Labour Party; both have roughly the same revolutionary potential.

Oh yeah, I went there...

Oh no you didn't!:D
IndependentCitizen
18th November 2011, 22:28
It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.

Oh, so that's okay then. We should openly embrace "responsible capitalism".

Damn, us revolutionaries have got it all wrong...